Glasgow 24th September.

billy nelson
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daviddee wrote:Not really got much to say in response to that to be honest I know for a fact you have said Ronnie could beat Liam Walsh and John Simpson. If you trained Ronnie you would be saying this but because your not you don't but to be honest your opinion on that doesn't matter because again I know what you have said about the Ronnie v Roberts clash. There is one thing that makes me and you different I say the same to everyone not different to suit whatever occasion that I am in. Fact the Roberts match would end very early. Roberts is a good fighter but Ronnie is all wrong for him and that fight won't happen great management in my eyes. Walsh and Ronnie would be a cracker same as Simpson.. Ronnie could win both but proper 50/50 fights and on experience you would make both Walsh and Simpson favourites. In honesty I think Slowey would lose to Traynor but would be a good fight.. As for Brophy he would be beaten comfortably by McEwan, Carslaw and Thain. As for who Ronnie's last opponent is he has a winning record been in with a couple of very good prospects including the WBO inter continental champion!! Ronnie was the first one to stop him. He can only beat what's put in front of him!!
David i told ronnie hed have a great chance to beat walsh because his style would suite ronnies,never have i said ronnie would beat john hes simply not ready for john yet but your blinded and cant see that.
Ronnie v Roberts would be a very good fight but ultimately id say Ronnie would be a little too strong in a 10 rounder,i may be wrong,because as when ronnie sparred ricky he can clearly be outboxed easily and thats what Roberts would need to try and do.
Ronnie was improving the last time i seen him at my gym but the bottom line is hes still not fought a top domestic fighter yet, when and if he does thats when we will have a better idea of what he may or may not acheive.
What your forgetting Davie is Ronnie and his the manager asked me to train him for the walsh fight so he must think im a good coach,boxings all about opinions mate your are very biased towards your brother and naturally so but that dont mean there right when in fact there generally wrong
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billy nelson wrote:
daviddee wrote:Not really got much to say in response to that to be honest I know for a fact you have said Ronnie could beat Liam Walsh and John Simpson. If you trained Ronnie you would be saying this but because your not you don't but to be honest your opinion on that doesn't matter because again I know what you have said about the Ronnie v Roberts clash. There is one thing that makes me and you different I say the same to everyone not different to suit whatever occasion that I am in. Fact the Roberts match would end very early. Roberts is a good fighter but Ronnie is all wrong for him and that fight won't happen great management in my eyes. Walsh and Ronnie would be a cracker same as Simpson.. Ronnie could win both but proper 50/50 fights and on experience you would make both Walsh and Simpson favourites. In honesty I think Slowey would lose to Traynor but would be a good fight.. As for Brophy he would be beaten comfortably by McEwan, Carslaw and Thain. As for who Ronnie's last opponent is he has a winning record been in with a couple of very good prospects including the WBO inter continental champion!! Ronnie was the first one to stop him. He can only beat what's put in front of him!!
David i told ronnie hed have a great chance to beat walsh because his style would suite ronnies,never have i said ronnie would beat john hes simply not ready for john yet but your blinded and cant see that.
Ronnie v Roberts would be a very good fight but ultimately id say Ronnie would be a little too strong in a 10 rounder,i may be wrong,because as when ronnie sparred ricky he can clearly be outboxed easily and thats what Roberts would need to try and do.
Ronnie was improving the last time i seen him at my gym but the bottom line is hes still not fought a top domestic fighter yet, when and if he does thats when we will have a better idea of what he may or may not acheive.
What your forgetting Davie is Ronnie and his the manager asked me to train him for the walsh fight so he must think im a good coach,boxings all about opinions mate your are very biased towards your brother and naturally so but that dont mean there right when in fact there generally wrong
Haha Billy.. Ronnie and his manager wanted you to train him for his fight with Walsh. I think you will find it was me that pushed that to Ronnie and Tony. Billy as a trainer I think your one of the best in the business and I knew you had previous with Appleby!! In honesty after being in your gym you are one track minded on Ricky which is fair enough!! I would normally say it was a good idea to train with you but from your posts my opinion has changed. You seem to want to talk up sparring all the time and forget I was there.. Ricky has never fully outboxed Ronnie in sparring.. Ricky was getting fruistrated at how awkward Ronnie was and that's fact not because he is my brother. The fact you keep bringing that up and your defensive nature over Ricky shows a lot of insecurities. Billy there is no doubt your a great coach. But for Ricky it unfortunately hasn't been proven elsewhere as everyone tends to leave. I think smashing may well have you spot on.. 2 comments spring to mind Broner actually bottled the Burns fight and Burns has faster hands than Amir Khan but I have my Dundee glasses on . Good Ane
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Davie Davie Davie,if you think that about when they sparred youve took your delution to a higher level,infact you werent there the last time they sparred it was only Lex,Ronnie is a tough lad and was game to finish the rounds but he was hurt on several occastions and Ricky eased off, this is something that you wouldnt notice if youd have been there due to your inexperience,to say Ricky found Ronnie awkward is so wrong,ronnie is very much a in your face fighter ideal for Ricky.
Anyway congratulate Ronnie and i do hope he gets to fight someone of note soon so he can test himself, hows his hand after the fight?
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billy nelson wrote:Davie Davie Davie,if you think that about when they sparred youve took your delution to a higher level,infact you werent there the last time they sparred it was only Lex,Ronnie is a tough lad and was game to finish the rounds but he was hurt on several occastions and Ricky eased off, this is something that you wouldnt notice if youd have been there due to your inexperience,to say Ricky found Ronnie awkward is so wrong,ronnie is very much a in your face fighter ideal for Ricky.
Anyway congratulate Ronnie and i do hope he gets to fight someone of note soon so he can test himself, hows his hand after the fight?
Yes your right I wasn't at the last sparring but the feedback from Tony and Lex was very very positive. See Ronnie is a honest guy and when I was there he was never hurt by Ricky and he has never said to me I got hurt in their sparring with Ricky.. He has as any boxers took shots that have took the wind out of him.. Prime example Tyronne Nurse. I won't got into how the sparring went but. Nurse countered one of Ronnie's attacks with a nice body shot took all the wind out of him.. Ronnie kept going!! You were there that day but although you were meant to be training Ronnie as well you were too busy talking to Ricky while you sat on the edge of the ring. Don't twist the stories in your way of happening and that I don't tell Ronnie when he had sparred badly ask him yourself.. See one thing me and Jamie are with Ronald and it's very honest. We want what's best for him so telling lies and blowing smoke up his arse helps no one. Anyway Billy your actually boring me with the lessons Ricky has dished out to Ronnie I'm sure if he knew you were saying that he wouldn't be happy with you.
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In no way do I think that ronnie and Ricky are in the same level to make that clear. I very honest with ronnie and always have been but I never seen the schooling a either the couple of times I have seen sparring and billy shouldn't be posting sparring stories. Again being a complete arse to be honest:) ronnie had about 7 amateur fights guys and billy constantly picking on choice of opponent. He fight anyone that's a fact. Say same for Ricky? Ricky top of game he's breen in it a lot of years. Ronnie 4 years and around British level. That's not bad for limited boxing history. Billy we genuinly support Ricky but no wonder people jump on you. It's to wind you up and get a reaction cause your so paranoid.
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JamieM wrote:In no way do I think that ronnie and Ricky are in the same level to make that clear. I very honest with ronnie and always have been but I never seen the schooling a either the couple of times I have seen sparring and billy shouldn't be posting sparring stories. Again being a complete arse to be honest:) ronnie had about 7 amateur fights guys and billy constantly picking on choice of opponent. He fight anyone that's a fact. Say same for Ricky? Ricky top of game he's breen in it a lot of years. Ronnie 4 years and around British level. That's not bad for limited boxing history. Billy we genuinly support Ricky but no wonder people jump on you. It's to wind you up and get a reaction cause your so paranoid.
I think that Billy gets more wound up by the way people try and detract from Ricky Burns being the P4P #1 fighter in Scotland. As has already been gone over on this post I believe, without Ricky Burns being a World champion, and being able to bring the big nights to the SECC, fighters in this country would find very limited opportunities to get the exposure needed to realise their full potential.

Ricky is a man who comes across as such a humble person in a sport which is infested with bulging ego's and is a breath of fresh air to hear when interviewed in comparison to other Matchroom World champions. But for some reason he always, always seems to be on the receiving end of some harsh, harsh criticism. Constantly being written off before fights. Constantly people try to attack the mans skills. It's really no wonder Billy comes out and backs his man to the hilt so aggressively sometimes when you see the absolute drivel posted about one of Scotland's sporting heroes.

There is a post going around about Gary Cornish at the moment who is a boxer in Scotland very similar to Ronnie Clark. Extensive sparring being taken, learning all the time following brief amateur careers.. But until they actually WIN a contest at British level you can't class these guys as anymore than what they are. Just making a living from boxing.
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Davie your kidding yourself on mate at least twice Ricky took the foot of the gas and Ronnie acknowledged him doing it, your brother done well and is a decent fighter who may or may not win at domestic level,no more no less.
zEven if you don't like it mate I'm a far better judge than you, I mean how many champions have you been involved with?
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billy nelson wrote:Davie your kidding yourself on mate at least twice Ricky took the foot of the gas and Ronnie acknowledged him doing it, your brother done well and is a decent fighter who may or may not win at domestic level,no more no less.
zEven if you don't like it mate I'm a far better judge than you, I mean how many champions have you been involved with?
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Yes did you not say that Ryan Walsh would stop Ronnie!! End of the day you are no super hero your a good coach who was lucky to fit well with Ricky who's hard work got him to be World Champion 90% Ricky.. 5% Billy and 5% luck.. See there's a difference both us know the real truth and the fact you wanted to train Ronnie and thought you could take him very far now again that's changed because he choose not to train with you.. I'm sure Ronnie is going to enjoy proving you wrong..
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daviddee wrote:
billy nelson wrote:Davie your kidding yourself on mate at least twice Ricky took the foot of the gas and Ronnie acknowledged him doing it, your brother done well and is a decent fighter who may or may not win at domestic level,no more no less.
zEven if you don't like it mate I'm a far better judge than you, I mean how many champions have you been involved with?
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Yes did you not say that Ryan Walsh would stop Ronnie!! End of the day you are no super hero your a good coach who was lucky to fit well with Ricky who's hard work got him to be World Champion 90% Ricky.. 5% Billy and 5% luck.. See there's a difference both us know the real truth and the fact you wanted to train Ronnie and thought you could take him very far now again that's changed because he choose not to train with you.. I'm sure Ronnie is going to enjoy proving you wrong..
I still think ronnie can do well my mind not changed on that,what he does need is people like you away from him simply because you haven't a clue.
Yes I'm a very lucky guy I've been in the corner for more world titles than any other Scottish coach and let's get it right Davie Ronnie came to my gym and asked me to train him, he trained with an injured hand( he never told me he was injured) lost the title shot,signed for TG now that means I'd never train him because like Ronnie he finds the man very hard work,that's why Ronnie was (inhis words) threatened to be kept out the ring by his manager
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Let's get this right Billy. It wasn't Ronnie who wanted to come into your gym and train with you. He was actually against being trained by you!! As I said earlier due to you being a good coach I convinced him to train with you!! But what would I know I don't have a clue eh Billy. Maybe I don't but you have said earlier today he will maybe or maybe not get to domestic level so really make your mind up!!! End of the day there you go again back on to having a go at Tommy. Maybe you should focus on your own problems and keep your nose out other peoples.. In honesty I used to think very highly of you but your stories in Doncaster made me realise your a bigger Waffler than Mr Birds Eye!! Good luck to Ricky but hope your next poos a hedgehog lots of love Team Clark
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Right you 2 screw the nut.
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daviddee wrote:Let's get this right Billy. It wasn't Ronnie who wanted to come into your gym and train with you. He was actually against being trained by you!! As I said earlier due to you being a good coach I convinced him to train with you!! But what would I know I don't have a clue eh Billy. Maybe I don't but you have said earlier today he will maybe or maybe not get to domestic level so really make your mind up!!! End of the day there you go again back on to having a go at Tommy. Maybe you should focus on your own problems and keep your nose out other peoples.. In honesty I used to think very highly of you but your stories in Doncaster made me realise your a bigger Waffler than Mr Birds Eye!! Good luck to Ricky but hope your next poos a hedgehog lots of love Team Clark
The bubble will burst for Ricky's trainer when Ricky finishes with boxing, no more press, no more interest, less people at the gym cause the world champion is gone.

He has wound up so many people on here regarding Ricky and TG, boxing is a small world.

The rumour is still strong that Ricky could jump ship.
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toomanyshots wrote:
daviddee wrote:Let's get this right Billy. It wasn't Ronnie who wanted to come into your gym and train with you. He was actually against being trained by you!! As I said earlier due to you being a good coach I convinced him to train with you!! But what would I know I don't have a clue eh Billy. Maybe I don't but you have said earlier today he will maybe or maybe not get to domestic level so really make your mind up!!! End of the day there you go again back on to having a go at Tommy. Maybe you should focus on your own problems and keep your nose out other peoples.. In honesty I used to think very highly of you but your stories in Doncaster made me realise your a bigger Waffler than Mr Birds Eye!! Good luck to Ricky but hope your next poos a hedgehog lots of love Team Clark
The bubble will burst for Ricky's trainer when Ricky finishes with boxing, no more press, no more interest, less people at the gym cause the world champion is gone.

He has wound up so many people on here regarding Ricky and TG, boxing is a small world.

The rumour is still strong that Ricky could jump ship.
Please that's boring now mate, I've been approached to work as a coach in England and abroad when Ricky retires,so unlike yourself people within boxing seem to think I doing ok.
I also have some youngsters turning next year one lad from England who reached the ABA final when he was 18 he's now 19, so the futures bright in the gym thank you
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billy nelson wrote:
toomanyshots wrote:
daviddee wrote:Let's get this right Billy. It wasn't Ronnie who wanted to come into your gym and train with you. He was actually against being trained by you!! As I said earlier due to you being a good coach I convinced him to train with you!! But what would I know I don't have a clue eh Billy. Maybe I don't but you have said earlier today he will maybe or maybe not get to domestic level so really make your mind up!!! End of the day there you go again back on to having a go at Tommy. Maybe you should focus on your own problems and keep your nose out other peoples.. In honesty I used to think very highly of you but your stories in Doncaster made me realise your a bigger Waffler than Mr Birds Eye!! Good luck to Ricky but hope your next poos a hedgehog lots of love Team Clark
The bubble will burst for Ricky's trainer when Ricky finishes with boxing, no more press, no more interest, less people at the gym cause the world champion is gone.

He has wound up so many people on here regarding Ricky and TG, boxing is a small world.

The rumour is still strong that Ricky could jump ship.
Please that's boring now mate, I've been approached to work as a coach in England and abroad when Ricky retires,so unlike yourself people within boxing seem to think I doing ok.
I also have some youngsters turning next year one lad from England who reached the ABA final when he was 18 he's now 19, so the futures bright in the gym thank you
Abroad sounds good........lol.......
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