Against the Grain Opinions

[Giancarlo]

Frazier would knock him senseless.

[witherspoon]

George Groves would kick SOG's butt all night long.
And to make the post relevant to BOTP,
Marlon Starling beats The Golden Boy at welterweight.

[yancey]

1969 Frazier has a viable (35-40%) of overcoming the very bad stylistic match up against '73 Foreman, staying tight and taking George out to deep water and drowning his butt.

[thunderfromdownunder]

I think helenius deserved the decision against chisora.

[Seamus]

Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.

[BoxBuzz]

Aaron Pryor...was majority management and luck.....and then a pretty good fighter.

[Seamus]

Compare Johnson's 5 or 6 best wins with the best 5 or 6 guys he didn't give title shots to.

[scallum]

Louis is not Top 5

[witherspoon]

Compare Johnson's 5 or 6 best wins with the best 5 or 6 guys he didn't give title shots to.

Kind of ironic that the 'color/colour line' probably benefited Johnson more than any other champion.

I believe that Pernell Whitaker did not deserve to win his first fight with JLR.

[King Carlos]

Can't see it.

I also believe Gamboa would have beaten Sal Sanchez in a scheduled 12 rounder. Too much speed and foot speed

Someone as aggressive and open as Gamboa seems like he'd be ideal for a poised counter-puncher like Sanchez. I don't understand this one. Just speed? That's it?

[knurak]

I'll take a prime Lennox Lewis over any heavyweight that retired in the '70s or earlier.

(This one isn't BOTP, but...) Guillermo Rigondeaux is #2 on my pound-for-pound list.

[witherspoon]

Wow. Witherspoon you better leave the font small w/that one. 10-1-1, Whitaker

Barry, it's not the first time I have expressed that opinion on these boards. For the record, the rematch is as close to perfection as I have ever seen.
I will watch the fight again when I have time, and I suspect that I will find that I am mistaken.
I mean, if just one single poster half agreed with me, I would be satisfied but I'm out in the cold on this one.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's impossible to find 6 rounds for Ramirez, let alone seven. It wasn't any closer than the rematch.

As for Wlad/Frazier, Joe would love Wlad to try and hold him. Unlike Povetkin, Frazier can fight in the clinch.

I post so much, my opinions are all known.

Most overrated: Ricardo Lopez and I think Carbajal or Gonzalez would have beaten him.

[knurak]

Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.

Why do you think that?

I'd put him ahead of Louis and Dempsey on an all-time list.

[p4p1]

Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.

Why do you think that?

I'd put him ahead of Louis and Dempsey on an all-time list.

I would say it is because he didn't fight a few guys who were arguably the best HWs of his time.

[elmersalsa]

Can't see it.

I also believe Gamboa would have beaten Sal Sanchez in a scheduled 12 rounder. Too much speed and foot speed

Ain't no fighter today beat the great Salvador Sanchez, my brother. Gamboa would not even beat the great Eusebio Pedroza

[keithmoonhangover]

I think Frazier would have a lot of trouble against Wlad.

Frazier definitely has a chance, but if a referee similar to the one in the Povetkin fight shows up then I can see Wlad winning in the most spoiler style possible.

Frazier would do well with getting underneath Wlad K's punches (and probably wouldn't have to worry about uppercuts) but I think Wlad would turn out nd hold like crazy and "win" in the most negative way possible.

I'd go along with that. Wlad has a bad style for Joe, especially with Manny Stewart in his corner

[keithmoonhangover]

I'm guessing these are against the grain.

I'd take prime Vitali over prime Bowe, barring injuries.

Ketchel over Robinson.

Benny Leonard over Duran.

Joe Bugner over Foreman.