Jake LaMotta Versus Marvin Hagler

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 31 Dec 2013, 10:33

Vladimir5555 · Post by **Vladimir5555** » 31 Dec 2013, 10:58

Hagler UD as well.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 31 Dec 2013, 11:05

Vladimir5555 wrote:Hagler UD as well.

That's my vote...Hell of a fight...It would be a war but unlike the Hagler-Hearns war this was goes the distance.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Dec 2013, 14:41

What if the best Lamotta shows up as Duran's replacement at that point in time?

Everyone is calling this for Marvin.....I just needed to drop some doubt in here.

Or is this placing Marvin at a disadvantage time wise?

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 31 Dec 2013, 15:05

Hagler was a master counter-puncher, someone like LaMotta pressing the fight was much more suitable to him than Duran making him lead and drilling him with those right hands. Marvin was just too skilled for Jake.

Tomasino · Post by **Tomasino** » 31 Dec 2013, 19:06

Both at their very best, I pick Hagler by UD15 in a tough fight that resembles Hagler vs Hamsho although closer.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 31 Dec 2013, 19:53

The great Marvelous wins this one over the great Raging Bull by decision. I just cannot see a win for LaMotta here.

zojo · Post by **zojo** » 01 Jan 2014, 09:16

Well, if anything, it will go the distance.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 01 Jan 2014, 13:12

Would also have to go with Hagler by decision. However, it may be closer than many think. It would be pretty intense. Many of the rounds would be fairly close, but Hagler's superior defense would win him most of the rounds. Hagler would probably give away about three rounds, but would still win something like 9-6.

Cherrybomb · Post by **Cherrybomb** » 02 Jan 2014, 07:49

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hagler was a master counter-puncher, someone like LaMotta pressing the fight was much more suitable to him than Duran making him lead and drilling him with those right hands. Marvin was just too skilled for Jake.

I agree with the prediction and the take on the styles, but surely no one is just too skilled for a guy who beat SRR? Or do you think Marvin was more skilled than SRR?

evrenb · Post by **evrenb** » 03 Jan 2014, 07:05

Both superb fighters...real all time greats. Based on what I have seen of Lamotta in the 1940's I would slightly lean toward him to outwork Hagler over the distance. . He doesn't knockout Hagler, Hagler doesn't knock him out. So it's points. . Lamotta in his prime had a terriffic punch rate and I think this could be problem for Hagler. Probably a pick 'em but for me Lamotta points...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Jan 2014, 10:32

Hagler's long right hand jab would be a potent weapon.

I can see that and the righty-lefty extra distance causing problems for Jake. But then I can envisage the physically strong LaMotta having the upperhand up close and throwing a lot of punches in there.

A very close fight with the edge to Jake.

Bobbyptsd · Post by **Bobbyptsd** » 05 Jan 2014, 00:11

Hagler, and I don't think it's all that close. As has been mentioned, LaMotta's style is well suited to him.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 05 Jan 2014, 00:58

Hagler by decision.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 05 Jan 2014, 17:15

Cherrybomb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hagler was a master counter-puncher, someone like LaMotta pressing the fight was much more suitable to him than Duran making him lead and drilling him with those right hands. Marvin was just too skilled for Jake.
I agree with the prediction and the take on the styles, but surely no one is just too skilled for a guy who beat SRR? Or do you think Marvin was more skilled than SRR?

Robinson was more skilled, but he only weighed 145 when LaMotta bet him; he was still a welterweight. LaMotta had about a large weight advantage in their first 5 fights; and Robinson still won 4, though they were all competitive.
In their 6th fight, Robinson had added some weight and stopped LaMotta.
Hagler was not as skilled as Robinson but he was more skilled than LaMotta and would have been the same size. LaMotta was tenacious and would have made it competitive but Hagler probably would have won.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 05 Jan 2014, 23:25

Cherrybomb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hagler was a master counter-puncher, someone like LaMotta pressing the fight was much more suitable to him than Duran making him lead and drilling him with those right hands. Marvin was just too skilled for Jake.
I agree with the prediction and the take on the styles, but surely no one is just too skilled for a guy who beat SRR? Or do you think Marvin was more skilled than SRR?

He wouldn't have the size advantage on Marvin, though he was a bit bigger. I wouldn't say Robinson was more skilled than Hagler.

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 06 Jan 2014, 10:58

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Cherrybomb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hagler was a master counter-puncher, someone like LaMotta pressing the fight was much more suitable to him than Duran making him lead and drilling him with those right hands. Marvin was just too skilled for Jake.
I agree with the prediction and the take on the styles, but surely no one is just too skilled for a guy who beat SRR? Or do you think Marvin was more skilled than SRR?
He wouldn't have the size advantage on Marvin, though he was a bit bigger. I wouldn't say Robinson was more skilled than Hagler.

I'm not sure if Hagler was as talented but Hagler damn sure was skilled. He could pretty much do it all and those who only sift through his fights like to peg him as a brawler type. He had considerable boxing skill which even had Leonard nervous to fight him.