The Best White Heavyweight of All Time

[The Great John L]

REX LAYNE walkover
MARIUSZ WACH TKO RICHARD DUNNE
AL KAUFMAN Dec WILLIE PASTRANO
KID MCCOY Dec BOONE KIRKMAN
GEORGE CHUVALO Dec FRANK MORAN
DUANE BOBICK Dec ALEXANDER POVETKIN
ART LASKY DQ ANDREW GOLOTA
JACK ROOT Dec BRIAN LONDON
JAKE KILRAIN Dec RANDALL TEX COBB
GERRY COONEY KO ZELJKO MAVROVIC
HENRY COOPER TKO BUDDY KNOX
BILL BRENNAN Dec KINGFISH LEVINSKY

[Ambling Alp II]

Layne in another walkover
Wach Dec Dunne (what a showdown that would have been)
Kaufman Dec Pastrano
McCoy Dec Kirkman
Chuvalo Dec Moran
Bobick Dec Povetkin
Golota Dec Lasky
London Dec Root
Kilrain Dec Cobb
Cooney Ko Mavrovic
Cooper Ko Knox
Brennan KO Levinsky

[HomicideHenry]

Sonofabitch..... @ Powell.... UGH!!!! *eighty-sixed from the tournament*

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Thus far the tallies are....

3-2 Wach over Dunne

3-2 Pastrano over Kaufman

4-1 Kirkman over McCoy

5-0 Chuvalo over Moran

3-2 Bobick over Povetkin

3-2 Golota over Lasky

3-2 London over Root

3-2 Kilrain over Cobb

4-1 Cooney over Mavrovic

5-0 Cooper over Knox

4-1 Brennan over Levinsky

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I had Pm'd him about Powell; hoped to catch him before people started voting.

Really don't understand this tournament. Some guys have already won a match and are scheduled again already while others have not had a match yet. Cooney, Cobb, Brennan,Levinsky and Kilrain already won and are scheduled again already. There may be others.

Meanwhile Marciano, Jeffries, Dempsey, and probably some others have not had any yet.

It's been sort of hard managing the win/loss ratio in the tournament by myself, I admit.

Also, I think, it helps give lesser guys a chance to add wins to their resumes before entering into deeper waters against the likes of Marciano, Jeffries, Dempsey, etc. so at the tournaments end we can break it down to who had the most wins, and break it down into categories--- Group A being the best of the best, and so on and so forth.

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My two cents on this particular round in the tournament....

Mariusz Wach TKO 8th Dunne

Willie Pastrano Decisions Kaufman

Boone Kirkman Decisions Kid McCoy

George Chuvalo Decisions Moran

Duane Bobick TKO 11th Povetkin

Andrew Golota Decisions Lasky

Brian London Decisions Root

Henry Cooper TKO 8th Knox

Bill Brennan Decisions Levinsky

Zeljko Mavrovic Decisions Cooney

Randall Cobb Decisions Jake Kilrain

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Bringing the tally now to........

5-1 Brennan

6-0 Cooper

4-2 Cooney

3-3 EVEN; Coob/Kilrain

4-2 London

4-2 Golota

4-2 Bobick

6-0 Chuvalo

5-1 Kirkman

4-2 Pastrano

4-2 Wach

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Voting continues on for another hour!

[fanman]

wheres vitali k - he would win.

[HomicideHenry]

We are down to the following names in the Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament:

John L. Sullivan, Bob Fitzsimmons, James J. Corbett, James J. Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Billy Conn, Tommy Gibbons, Luther McCarty, Jess Willard, Gunboat Smith, Frank Slavin, Joe Goddard, Tom Sharkey, Peter Maher, Jake Kilrain, Billy Wells, Fireman Jim Flynn, Jim Coffey, Fred Fulton, Bill Brennan, Tommy Loughran, James J. Braddock, Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Ernie Schaaf, Maxie Rosenbloom, Walter Nuesel, Ray Impeltierre, Tom Heeney, Lee Savold, Lou Nova, Roland LaStarza, Rex Layne, Don Cockell, Henry Cooper, Willie Pastrano, Brian London, Mike DeJohn, Carmine Vingo, George Chuvalo, Ingemar Johansson, Boone Kirkman, Bob Cleroux, Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Duane Bobick, Gerry Cooney, Richard Dunne, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, Corrie Sanders, Frans Botha, Gerrie Coetzee, Axel Schulz, Andrew Golota, Ruslan Chagaev, Mariusz Wach and the Klitschko Brothers....

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The Seventh Round of The Best White Heavyweight Tournament:


AXEL SCHULZ vs. WILLIE PASTRANO

CARMINE VINGO vs. LUTHER MCCARTY

INGEMAR JOHANSSON vs. FIREMAN JIM FLYNN

JACK DEMPSEY vs. TOM SHARKEY

JAMES J. JEFFRIES vs. FRANS BOTHA

WALTER NUESEL vs. RAY IMPELTIERRE

JOHN L. SULLIVAN vs. PRIMO CARNERA

BOB FITZSIMMONS vs. ROLAND LASTARZA

MAX BAER vs. MAXIE ROSENBLOOM

DUANE BOBICK vs. BILLY WELLS

GERRY COONEY vs. TOMMY MORRISON

JERRY QUARRY vs. DON COCKELL

JAMES J. BRADDOCK vs. JIM COFFEY

JESS WILLARD vs. ERNIE SCHAAF

GENE TUNNEY vs. TOMMY LOUGHRAN

GUNBOAT SMITH vs. JACK SHARKEY

VITALI KLITSCHKO vs. JOE BUGNER

ROCKY MARCIANO vs. JAMES J. CORBETT

VLADIMIR KLITSCHKO vs. FRANCESCO DAMIANI

REX LAYNE vs. FRANK SLAVIN

JOE GODDARD vs. CORRIE SANDERS

TOMMY BURNS vs. MARIUSZ WACH

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Voting is for 24 hours, so have at it gentlemen!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Damn, that's a long list. You're working Layne pretty hard. Still no designated rounds? Why so stubborn on that? It makes a difference.

Pastrano UD
McCarty UD
Johansson KO3
Dempsey KO7
Jeffries TKO11
Neusel UD
Sullivan KO10
Fitzsimmons SD
Rosenbloom UD
Bobick(amazing he's still here) KO5
Morrison KO2
Quarry UD
Braddock UD
Willard UD
Tunney UD
Sharkey UD
Bugner SD
Marciano KO12
Wlad UD
Layne KO8
Sanders KO4
Wach UD

[The Great John L]

WILLIE PASTRANO Dec AXEL SCHULZ
McCarty KO VINGO
INGEMAR JOHANSSON KO FIREMAN JIM FLYNN
JACK DEMPSEY Dec TOM SHARKEY
JAMES J. JEFFRIES KO FRANS BOTHA
WALTER NUESEL Dec RAY IMPELTIERRE
JOHN L. SULLIVAN KO PRIMO CARNERA
BOB FITZSIMMONS KO ROLAND LASTARZA
MAX BAER KO MAXIE ROSENBLOOM
DUANE BOBICK KO BILLY WELLS
TOMMY MORRISON KO GERRY COONEY
JERRY QUARRY Dec DON COCKELL
JAMES J. BRADDOCK Dec JIM COFFEY
JESS WILLARD KO ERNIE SCHAAF
GENE TUNNEY Dec TOMMY LOUGHRAN
Sharkey Dec GUNBOAT SMITH
VITALI KLITSCHKO Dec JOE BUGNER
Corbett TKO ROCKY MARCIANO
VLADIMIR KLITSCHKO KO FRANCESCO DAMIANI
REX LAYNE Dec FRANK SLAVIN
JOE GODDARD KO CORRIE SANDERS
TOMMY BURNS Dec MARIUSZ WACH

[dempseyfire]

Pastrano UD Schultz

McCarty TKO 9 Vingo

Johansson KO2 Flynn

Dempsey UD Sharkey

Jefferies KO5 Botha

Neusel UD Impelltierre

Sullivan KO 6 Carnera

Fitzimmons UD LaStarza

Baer SD Rosenbloom (controversial decision)

Wells TKO 4 Bobick

Morrison KO3 Cooney

Quarry UD Cockell

Braddock UD Coffey (comes off the floor to win)

Willard UD Schaeff

Tunney SD Loughran

Sharkey UD Smith

Vitali Klitschko UD Bugner

Marciano TKO 12 Corbett (behind on points)

Wlad KO 10 Damiani

Layne KO 7 Slavin

Burns UD Wach (I just don't see someone as slow as Wach landing a glove on Burns)

Sanders TKO3 Goddard

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The Seventh Round of The Best White Heavyweight Tournament:


AXEL SCHULZ vs. WILLIE PASTRANO

CARMINE VINGO vs. LUTHER MCCARTY

INGEMAR JOHANSSON vs. FIREMAN JIM FLYNN

JACK DEMPSEY vs. TOM SHARKEY

JAMES J. JEFFRIES vs. FRANS BOTHA

WALTER NUESEL vs. RAY IMPELTIERRE

JOHN L. SULLIVAN vs. PRIMO CARNERA

BOB FITZSIMMONS vs. ROLAND LASTARZA

MAX BAER vs. MAXIE ROSENBLOOM- horrible matchup for Baer, really has to cut out the clowning and turn it on.

DUANE BOBICK vs. BILLY WELLS

GERRY COONEY vs. TOMMY MORRISON

JERRY QUARRY vs. DON COCKELL

JAMES J. BRADDOCK vs. JIM COFFEY - sooooo close

JESS WILLARD vs. ERNIE SCHAAF

GENE TUNNEY vs. TOMMY LOUGHRAN

GUNBOAT SMITH vs. JACK SHARKEY

VITALI KLITSCHKO vs. JOE BUGNER

ROCKY MARCIANO vs. JAMES J. CORBETT

VLADIMIR KLITSCHKO vs. FRANCESCO DAMIANI

REX LAYNE vs. FRANK SLAVIN

JOE GODDARD vs. CORRIE SANDERS

TOMMY BURNS vs. MARIUSZ WACH

[Cap]

I was wondering when you'd throw in Marciano, Dempsey, et al. Rocky Marciano was probably the best of the white heavyweights up until Klitschko, who has too much size and reach for the Rock to even get close. Klitschko by close decision.

But to play along:

AXEL SCHULZ KO 8 WILLIE PASTRANO

CARMINE VINGO Dec 10 LUTHER MCCARTY

INGEMAR JOHANSSON KO 6 FIREMAN JIM FLYNN

JACK DEMPSEY KO 2 TOM SHARKEY

JAMES J. JEFFRIES L10 FRANS BOTHA

WALTER NUESEL KO 9 RAY IMPELTIERRE

JOHN L. SULLIVAN L10 PRIMO CARNERA [Wait Carnera wasn't white. He was Italian. ]

BOB FITZSIMMONS L10 ROLAND LASTARZA

MAX BAER KO 10 MAXIE ROSENBLOOM

DUANE BOBICK KO 1 BILLY WELLS

GERRY COONEY KO 8 TOMMY MORRISON

JERRY QUARRY KO 5 DON COCKELL

JAMES J. BRADDOCK W10 JIM COFFEY - Another hometown decision

JESS WILLARD L10 ERNIE SCHAAF

GENE TUNNEY W10. TOMMY LOUGHRAN

GUNBOAT SMITH KO10 JACK SHARKEY [Lackadaisical Sharkey shows up]

VITALI KLITSCHKO L10 JOE BUGNER

ROCKY MARCIANO KO6 JAMES J. CORBETT

VLADIMIR KLITSCHKO L10 FRANCESCO DAMIANI

REX LAYNE W10 FRANK SLAVIN [Slavin at least has a left hand...]

JOE GODDARD LKO8 CORRIE SANDERS

TOMMY BURNS L10 MARIUSZ WACH [Give me a break. I love Tommy Burns, but this is a horrible matchup for the little guy.]

[Ambling Alp II]

Schulz Dec Pastrano
McCarty KO 5 Vingo
Johansson KO 3 Flynn
Dempsey KO5 Sharkey
Jeffries KO 8 Botha
Nuesel Dec Impetierre
Sullivan KO6 Carnera
Fitzsimmons KO10 LaStarza
Rosenbloom Dec Baer
Bobick KO4 Wells
Cooney KO 3 Morrison
Quarry KO10 Cockell
Braddock Dec Coffey
Schaaf Dec Willard
Tunney Dec Loughran
Bugner Dec V. Klitschko
Marciano KO 13 Corbett (by far the best fight here)
W. Klitschko KO9 Damiani
Layne KO 9 Slavin
Goddard Dec Sanders
Burns Dec Wach

[Carlos Danger]

The Klits
rocky marciano
jack dempsey

[Duch]

What's going on with the tournament?

[scartissue]

What's going on with the tournament?

You beat me to it, Duch. I've been getting into this. What happened?

[HomicideHenry]

What's going on with the tournament?

What's going on with the tournament?

You beat me to it, Duch. I've been getting into this. What happened?

Sorry boys, was away for a while. The tournament resumes.

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After tallies of the seventh round....

3-3 EVEN Pastrano/Shulz---- my vote goes to Pastrano, so he moves forward

5-1 Luther McCarty moves on (no need for my vote)

6-0 Dempsey (no need for my vote)

6-0 Johansson

5-1 Jeffries

6-0 Nuesel

6-0 Sullivan

4-2 Fitzsimmons (THAT surprised the eff out of me it be that close in votes)

4-2 Baer

5-1 Bobick (is amazing that Duane has a three fight win streak in the tournament)

3-3 EVEN Morrison/Cooney (my vote goes to Gerry Cooney; but this was hardest match to pick)

6-0 Quarry

6-0 Braddock (2-0 so far in this tournament)

3-2 SCHAAF (close, close match up)

6-0 Tunney

3-2 Vitali Klitschko (close, close match up)

4-1 Marciano

5-1 Wladimir Klitschko

6-0 Layne (BTW, because the first two matches were 'errors', this would be Layne's 1st match in tournament)

4-2 Sanders

3-3 EVEN Burns/Wach (my vote goes for Burns; too quick, better all around fighter)

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Tomorrow will post the next round in the tournament, Jesus bless

[HomicideHenry]

Summary After Seven Tournament Rounds

Number of Participants Eliminated: 74

Number of Participants Remaining: 48

Tournament Surprises:

-Duane Bobick, often disdained by most historians/critics for being a 'white hope' surprisingly enough is on a three fight win streak in the tournament, defeating even a alphabet champion in Alexander Povetkin--- and to a degree, Gerry Cooney is having the same success in the tournament

-Fighters of the 1880's and towards the 1940's have seldom lost in the tournament, being the hold outs, while the fighters of the passed thirty years have dropped out like flies often in their opening debuts in the tournament

-Alphabet champions and world title challengers Tommy Morrison, Zeljko Mavrovic, were eliminated in their tournament debuts--- yet Randall Tex Cobb managed two wins in the tournament--- a few other similar instances have occured in the tournament; one must wonder whether these contenders who made it, while other more 'greater' men failed, are being held in higher regard because of personal bias and/or maybe they were better than the so-called historians ever gave them credit for

[HomicideHenry]

The Eighth Round of The Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament

Lou Nova vs. Al Kaufman

Fred Fulton vs. Walter Neusel

Lee Savold vs. Bob Cleroux

Boone Kirkman vs. Rex Layne

Richard Dunne vs. Ruslan Chagaev

Andrew Golota vs. Peter Maher

Joe Goddard vs. Mike DeJohn

Willie Pastrano vs. Jerry Quarry

Billy Conn vs. Tom Heeney

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The winners of this tournament round will face off against:

Luther McCarty, Ernie Schaaf, James Braddock, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Max Baer, James Jeffries, Bob Fitzsimmons, Tommy Burns and Jack Dempsey

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My picks for this round (twelve rounders this time Saad, lol):

Conn W12 Heeney, Quarry TKO 11 Pastrano, Mike DeJohn W12 Goddard, Andrew Golota W12 Maher, Ruslan Chagaev KO5 Dunne, Rex Layne KO 8 Kirkman, Lee Savold W12 Cleroux, Fred Fulton W12 Neusel, Lou Nova W12 Kaufman....

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Voting goes on for 24 hours, have at it gentlemen!

[scartissue]

The Eighth Round of The Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament

Lou Nova vs. Al Kaufman

Fred Fulton vs. Walter Neusel

Lee Savold vs. Bob Cleroux

Boone Kirkman vs. Rex Layne

Richard Dunne vs. Ruslan Chagaev

Andrew Golota vs. Peter Maher

Joe Goddard vs. Mike DeJohn

Willie Pastrano vs. Jerry Quarry

Billy Conn vs. Tom Heeney

[The Great John L]

Lou Nova Dec Al Kaufman
Fred Fulton KO Walter Neusel
Lee Savold Dec Bob Cleroux
Rex Layne KO Boone Kirkman
Ruslan Chagaev TKO Richard Dunne
Andrew Golota KO Peter Maher
Joe Goddard KO Mike DeJohn
Jerry Quarry Dec Willie Pastrano
Billy Conn Dec Tom Heeney

[Ambling Alp II]

Nova Dec Kaufman
Fulton KO 9 Neusel
Cleroux Dec Savold
Layne Dec Kirkman
Chaegaev Dec Dunne
Golota KO 7 Maher
Goddard KO 8 DeJohn
Quarry Dec Pastrano
Conn Dec Heeney

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nova UD Kauffman
Fulton TKO10
Cleroux KO7
Layne UD
Chagaev UD
Golota KO3
DeJohn KO5
Quarry SD
Conn UD

[dempseyfire]

The Eighth Round of The Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament

Lou Nova vs. Al Kaufman

Fred Fulton vs. Walter Neusel

Lee Savold vs. Bob Cleroux

Boone Kirkman vs. Rex Layne

Richard Dunne vs. Ruslan Chagaev

Andrew Golota vs. Peter Maher

Joe Goddard vs. Mike DeJohn

Willie Pastrano vs. Jerry Quarry

Billy Conn vs. Tom Heeney

Nova KO8 Kaufman

Fulton TKO 10 Neusel

Savold SD Cleroux (interesting matchup, I edge the slicker boxer)

Layne UD Kirkman

Chagaev TKO 6 Dunn

Maher KO1 Golota

DeJohn KO 4 Goddard

Quarry UD Pastrano

Conn UD Heeney

[HomicideHenry]

6-0 Nova, 6-0 Conn, 5-1 Fulton, 3-3 EVEN Cleroux/Savold (both men will be entered into next round), 6-0 Layne, 6-0 Chagaev, 5-1 Golota, 4-2 DeJohn, 6-0 Quarry

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Ninth Round of The Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament:

Lee Savold vs. Ernie Schaaf

Bob Cleroux vs. Tommy Burns

Fred Fulton vs. Luther McCarty

James J. Braddock vs. Lou Nova

Ruslan Chagaev vs. Rex Layne

Andrew Golota vs. Jack Sharkey

Max Baer vs. Mike DeJohn

Jerry Quarry vs. Bob Fitzsimmons

Max Schmeling vs. Jack Dempsey

James J. Jeffries vs. Billy Conn

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Voting begins now and ends after 24 hours, have at it gentlemen!

[dempseyfire]

Schaaf UD Savold

Cleroux UD Burns

Fulton UD McCarty (Luther probably could've reached a stage where he'd be a solid favorite over Fulton but hadn't gotten there yet at the time of his death)

Nova UD Braddock

Layne UD Chagaev (technical disadvantage made up via sheer work-rate, endurance, and rugged, dirty infighting; he also had some skills himself and knew how to trade in the exchanges and I think he'd stun Ruslan a few times)

Sharkey TKO 9 Golota

Baer KO 2 DeJohn

Fitzimmons UD Quarry (I just don't see Jerry's style matching well with a quick counter-puncher like Fitz)

Dempsey TKO 9 Schmeling

Jefferies KO 10 Conn

[scartissue]

Ninth Round of The Best White Heavyweight of All Time Tournament:

Lee Savold vs. Ernie Schaaf

Bob Cleroux vs. Tommy Burns

Fred Fulton vs. Luther McCarty

James J. Braddock vs. Lou Nova

Ruslan Chagaev vs. Rex Layne

Andrew Golota vs. Jack Sharkey

Max Baer vs. Mike DeJohn

Jerry Quarry vs. Bob Fitzsimmons

Max Schmeling vs. Jack Dempsey

James J. Jeffries vs. Billy Conn