Dehydrated 154 GGG vs 150½ Mayweather - winner?

[ReggieDiggs]

all the top boxers avoid ggg like a fat kid aviods vegetables.

No one needs to avoid him he's not in their division (until Miguel just recently & its not reasonable to suggest Miguel is avoiding him quite yet cuz Sergio was still ranked #1 by most & if he fights Saul next thats also understandable as its a big money fight). If GGG went to 154 & started fighting top ten guys then after a W or two you could start suggesting he's being avoided, but til than I dont think a guy can be dodging a mfer not even in the same division as him. I do think there is an argument to suggest Sergio avoided him, but even that was debatable as Sergio was having some big fights (Miguel & Julio) that made more sense in recent years & GGG has just come onto the bigger stage recently...I mean hell Daniel is his biggest W by far.

[IKSRTFO]

all the top boxers avoid ggg like a fat kid aviods vegetables.

No one needs to avoid him he's not in their division (until Miguel just recently & its not reasonable to suggest Miguel is avoiding him quite yet cuz Sergio was still ranked #1 by most & if he fights Saul next thats also understandable as its a big money fight). If GGG went to 154 & started fighting top ten guys then after a W or two you could start suggesting he's being avoided, but til than I dont think a guy can be dodging a mfer not even in the same division as him. I do think there is an argument to suggest Sergio avoided him, but even that was debatable as Sergio was having some big fights (Miguel & Julio) that made more sense in recent years & GGG has just come onto the bigger stage recently...I mean hell Daniel is his biggest W by far.

Cotto is the champ at 160 so if he doesn't fight GGG, he's obviously avoiding him.

[ReggieDiggs]

all the top boxers avoid ggg like a fat kid aviods vegetables.

No one needs to avoid him he's not in their division (until Miguel just recently & its not reasonable to suggest Miguel is avoiding him quite yet cuz Sergio was still ranked #1 by most & if he fights Saul next thats also understandable as its a big money fight). If GGG went to 154 & started fighting top ten guys then after a W or two you could start suggesting he's being avoided, but til than I dont think a guy can be dodging a mfer not even in the same division as him. I do think there is an argument to suggest Sergio avoided him, but even that was debatable as Sergio was having some big fights (Miguel & Julio) that made more sense in recent years & GGG has just come onto the bigger stage recently...I mean hell Daniel is his biggest W by far.

Cotto is the champ at 160 so if he doesn't fight GGG, he's obviously avoiding him.

If GGG were to fight Saul next does that mean he's avoiding Miguel? Saul IS the fight for most cats around that division if you can get it so I couldnt blame anyone for taking that fight first or act like they only did it to avoid the other guy. If your a business owner & some rich guy comes in & says hey you I need x, y & z done next week & only next week & Im willing to pay you extra to do it, you pushback the gigs you got lined up & take the bigger job for more money. Same goes in boxing imho. Its a job @ the end of the day.

[IKSRTFO]

If GGG were to fight Saul next does that mean he's avoiding Miguel? Saul IS the fight for most cats around that division if you can get it so I couldnt blame anyone for taking that fight first or act like they only did it to avoid the other guy. If your a business owner & some rich guy comes in & says hey you I need x, y & z done next week & only next week & Im willing to pay you extra to do it, you pushback the gigs you got lined up & take the bigger job for more money. Same goes in boxing imho. Its a job @ the end of the day.

If he fights Canelo next, more power to him. But if he doesn't fight GGG anytime while hanging onto the 160 title which he has a year to defend, he is avoiding him. period. That goes for after the Canelo bout too. If you don't want to fight top 160lbers, vacate the title and go back to 154.

[ReggieDiggs]

If GGG were to fight Saul next does that mean he's avoiding Miguel? Saul IS the fight for most cats around that division if you can get it so I couldnt blame anyone for taking that fight first or act like they only did it to avoid the other guy. If your a business owner & some rich guy comes in & says hey you I need x, y & z done next week & only next week & Im willing to pay you extra to do it, you pushback the gigs you got lined up & take the bigger job for more money. Same goes in boxing imho. Its a job @ the end of the day.

If he fights Canelo next, more power to him. But if he doesn't fight GGG anytime while hanging onto the 160 title which he has a year to defend, he is avoiding him. period. That goes for after the Canelo bout too. If you don't want to fight top 160lbers, vacate the title and go back to 154.

As long as neither guy is considered to be avoiding the other guy for taking a huge fight fair enough.

[IKSRTFO]

If GGG were to fight Saul next does that mean he's avoiding Miguel? Saul IS the fight for most cats around that division if you can get it so I couldnt blame anyone for taking that fight first or act like they only did it to avoid the other guy. If your a business owner & some rich guy comes in & says hey you I need x, y & z done next week & only next week & Im willing to pay you extra to do it, you pushback the gigs you got lined up & take the bigger job for more money. Same goes in boxing imho. Its a job @ the end of the day.

If he fights Canelo next, more power to him. But if he doesn't fight GGG anytime while hanging onto the 160 title which he has a year to defend, he is avoiding him. period. That goes for after the Canelo bout too. If you don't want to fight top 160lbers, vacate the title and go back to 154.

As long as neither guy is considered to be avoiding the other guy for taking a huge fight fair enough.

Fair, but if he NEVER fights GGG and GGG doesn't move up and loses, then Cotto invites avoiding criticisms.

[NateJR]

Just funny that everyone is a stickler about catch-weights and make a huge deal about a couple pounds. Now all of a sudden their up a guys a$$ so far, it's suddenly not a issue at all and he'll still be knocking dudes out making a weight he's never made before.

Like I said in another thread. GGG is a full blown Middleweight and is as big and strong as any Middleweight in the division. If GGG were to drop those extra 6 lbs. he would be doing a lot of harm to his body because there's no way he's dropping that weight with out muscle deterioration, especially after seeing him in the ring this past weekend.

Let the delusions continue..

stop the crap...

ggg weighs 159-160...so its losing 5-6 pounds to make 154 and box canelo, lara or mayweather.

margarito fought a fight comin in 157 and the next fight few month later he came in 147 and what happened? he kod monuz and than lost 10 pounds to tko sergio martinez. in 2003 he fought 154 brantley, kod the guy and than about 4 month later went to 146 losing 8 pounds and kod another unbeaten guy.

all i am saying is, dont act like an training or nutrition expert when you know sh&/(t. any proffesional boxer can adjust his training and gain and lose weight (margarito is just a small example). surely he wont lose and gain weight healthy if its 20 or 30 pounds, but if we talk like 5-6 pounds in ggg case, with the right training and nutrition and TIME and a proffesional focus, whcih ggg has, than there is absolutly 0 problem. sure he would not be as strong at 154, im comparence to middlweight, but it would be enough to wreck any man on earth.

Ok, then let the coward GGG keep calling out all these small guys while avoiding the division above him because "He's not ready yet" lol.

GGG has nothing to offer anyone at 154 and all these small dudes that GGG wants to fight have no reason to go up in weight to beat a criminally over hyped European that has a great streak going against a bunch of second tier fighters.

I'm just saying things to get under your skin now. You're delusional and a waste of a member on this forum, you get zero credibility when you show so much bias. Get off GGGs nuts, I'm honestly questioning your sexuality I bet you've been practicing to make it so you don't have a gag reflex for next time you see GGG, you might even have a dildo named after him.

[Dennis]

Unless you are in GGG's camp you have no idea how hard he works and how much he diets/starves to make 160 right now. If he walks around at 160 and eats a big breakfast and drinks a quart of water prior to the weigh-in, then maybe. Otherwise he probably walks around a lot higher than 160 and eats very little for the last day or two prior to the weigh-in and has to workout the night before and possibly prior to the weigh-in to shed several pounds of water weight. To say losing another 5 or 6 pounds would be easy is ridiculous.

Instead of criticizing smaller guys from not moving up to face GGG, maybe you should question why he doesn't move up a MERE 8 pounds to challenge the SMW's of the world. There are a lot of SMW's licking their chops at the thought of fighting GGG for big $$$$. Remember GGG would probably weigh only 170 tops on the night of the fight and a true SMW would probably weigh 180 or more.

[ikorolev]

Unless you are in GGG's camp you have no idea how hard he works and how much he diets/starves to make 160 right now. If he walks around at 160 and eats a big breakfast and drinks a quart of water prior to the weigh-in, then maybe. Otherwise he probably walks around a lot higher than 160 and eats very little for the last day or two prior to the weigh-in and has to workout the night before and possibly prior to the weigh-in to shed several pounds of water weight. To say losing another 5 or 6 pounds would be easy is ridiculous.

Instead of criticizing smaller guys from not moving up to face GGG, maybe you should question why he doesn't move up a MERE 8 pounds to challenge the SMW's of the world. There are a lot of SMW's licking their chops at the thought of fighting GGG for big $$$$. Remember GGG would probably weigh only 170 tops on the night of the fight and a true SMW would probably weigh 180 or more.

He was 163 pounds at the camp before starting to deliberately cut weight.

[ikorolev]

Ok, then let the coward GGG keep calling out all these small guys while avoiding the division above him because "He's not ready yet" lol.

GGG has nothing to offer anyone at 154 and all these small dudes that GGG wants to fight have no reason to go up in weight to beat a criminally over hyped European that has a great streak going against a bunch of second tier fighters.

I'm just saying things to get under your skin now. You're delusional and a waste of a member on this forum, you get zero credibility when you show so much bias. Get off GGGs nuts, I'm honestly questioning your sexuality I bet you've been practicing to make it so you don't have a gag reflex for next time you see GGG, you might even have a dildo named after him.

You are a f4cking xenophobic idiot. Go suck Floyd's dick.

[Dennis]

He was 163 pounds at the camp before starting to deliberately cut weight.

I have witnessed many boxers claim to be only 3-5# over their contract weight prior to their "deliberate weight cutting" and yet they struggle to lose those last few pounds. Why? Because a lot of boxers are already in a state of dehydration at that point as they work out in saunas/wear sauna suits, eat very little and drink even less water to get down close to the weight. They weigh themselves after a strenous workout where they sweat 6# pounds off and haven't eaten anything and say "look I'm only 3# away, no problem". Then they starve themselves and severely dehydrate themselves to attempt to lose just a few more pounds and can't do it.

I am not saying that GGG is doing the above as I'm not in his camp and am not watching when he weighs himself, what he's eating and drinking, etc.

[ikorolev]

His team says that he can make 154, and I see no reason to doubt that

[Brut]

Cotto is just being honest, 3G isn't well known outside of boxing circles and to be totally truthful he hasn't really beaten anyone except for a down the hill Geale. Already we're trying to line the guy up with the best in boxing and he hasn't even proven nothing except beating up a few bums, he has one well known name on his resume and hasn't proven himself yet.

If he gets the other guys to fight him like PQ or JCC Jr or maybe even Cotto down the line then he can begin to say he deserves a bigger shot at someone with real skills. All you PacTurds continually want to line him up with Floyd when Ward is just begging to kick his ass, it's funny how y'all run away from that subject.

Sure move 3G down 6 lbs, for all that matters then why not just move him to 147 instead of moving him up where he has arguably one of the best in the game waiting for him, let's not even throw Manny in there (oh, I forgot, he's not TBE).

lol, you clowns are a joke and you know who you are!!

[ikorolev]

Cotto is just being honest, 3G isn't well known outside of boxing circles and to be totally truthful he hasn't really beaten anyone except for a down the hill Geale. Already we're trying to line the guy up with the best in boxing and he hasn't even proven nothing except beating up a few bums, he has one well known name on his resume and hasn't proven himself yet.

If he gets the other guys to fight him like PQ or JCC Jr or maybe even Cotto down the line then he can begin to say he deserves a bigger shot at someone with real skills. All you PacTurds continually want to line him up with Floyd when Ward is just begging to kick his ass, it's funny how y'all run away from that subject.

Sure move 3G down 6 lbs, for all that matters then why not just move him to 147 instead of moving him up where he has arguably one of the best in the game waiting for him, let's not even throw Manny in there (oh, I forgot, he's not TBE).

lol, you clowns are a joke and you know who you are!!

Well, everybody knows who you are -- maniacal Floyd's dick rider.

[zero]

Mayweather would demand at CW of 150 or something plus a 80 foot ring.

[ikorolev]

Mayweather would demand at CW of 150 or something plus a 80 foot ring.

Mayweather will not demand anything. He will just stay away from GGG which he has all rights to do. There is no reason for his dick riders to get scared.

[giacomino]

Mayweather started as a junior lightweight and is 37, FFS. He isn't going to fight a middleweight stud like 3G, even at a catch weight, and can't say I blame him

[Brut]

Cotto is just being honest, 3G isn't well known outside of boxing circles and to be totally truthful he hasn't really beaten anyone except for a down the hill Geale. Already we're trying to line the guy up with the best in boxing and he hasn't even proven nothing except beating up a few bums, he has one well known name on his resume and hasn't proven himself yet.

If he gets the other guys to fight him like PQ or JCC Jr or maybe even Cotto down the line then he can begin to say he deserves a bigger shot at someone with real skills. All you PacTurds continually want to line him up with Floyd when Ward is just begging to kick his ass, it's funny how y'all run away from that subject.

Sure move 3G down 6 lbs, for all that matters then why not just move him to 147 instead of moving him up where he has arguably one of the best in the game waiting for him, let's not even throw Manny in there (oh, I forgot, he's not TBE).

lol, you clowns are a joke and you know who you are!!

Well, everybody knows who you are -- maniacal Floyd's dick rider.

Oh that really hurt me so baaaaad but I know it must of hurt you even more to come up with such a paralyzing line; never mind all that factual stuff about 3G moving up to face Floyd.

Floyd is the TBE (Statistically speaking that is, his stats are better than anyone's in the sport as far as his + - ratio is concerned), I bet that is going to hurt you badly. Hey, where's Manny's statistics on + -??? lol

[ikorolev]

Oh that really hurt me so baaaaad but I know it must of hurt you even more to come up with such a paralyzing line; never mind all that factual stuff about 3G moving up to face Floyd.

Floyd is the TBE (Statistically speaking that is, his stats are better than anyone's in the sport as far as his + - ratio is concerned), I bet that is going to hurt you badly. Hey, where's Manny's statistics on + -??? lol

Well, you proved that you are paranoid again. Nobody mentioned Manny. WTF does this thread have to do with Manny ? I am GGG's fan and don't care much about Manny. I agree that Floyd is a #1 p4p at this point, but GGG would make a bloody mess out of him even at 154.

[Chepppaaa]

No one needs to avoid him he's not in their division (until Miguel just recently & its not reasonable to suggest Miguel is avoiding him quite yet cuz Sergio was still ranked #1 by most & if he fights Saul next thats also understandable as its a big money fight). If GGG went to 154 & started fighting top ten guys then after a W or two you could start suggesting he's being avoided, but til than I dont think a guy can be dodging a mfer not even in the same division as him. I do think there is an argument to suggest Sergio avoided him, but even that was debatable as Sergio was having some big fights (Miguel & Julio) that made more sense in recent years & GGG has just come onto the bigger stage recently...I mean hell Daniel is his biggest W by far.[/quote]

Cotto is the champ at 160 so if he doesn't fight GGG, he's obviously avoiding him.

If GGG were to fight Saul next does that mean he's avoiding Miguel? Saul IS the fight for most cats around that division if you can get it so I couldnt blame anyone for taking that fight first or act like they only did it to avoid the other guy. If your a business owner & some rich guy comes in & says hey you I need x, y & z done next week & only next week & Im willing to pay you extra to do it, you pushback the gigs you got lined up & take the bigger job for more money. Same goes in boxing imho. Its a job @ the end of the day.
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you can keep being a smart arse all day long, but it doesnt change the fact, that the big names dont want none of him.

or did you heard cotto saying it would be an good idea boxing ggg, when cotto wants to be #1 in midd div and in order to become #1 you'll have to face ggg.

and with big names I not only mean superstars like cotto, but also less known names, but still good quality boxers like quillin, you never here him taking the name gennady in his mouth.

like I said, put it how you want, but they all want none of ggg. in the opposite ggg in reascent post fight interview said he wanna fight the best quillin, cotto etc.

[Chepppaaa]

Just funny that everyone is a stickler about catch-weights and make a huge deal about a couple pounds. Now all of a sudden their up a guys a$$ so far, it's suddenly not a issue at all and he'll still be knocking dudes out making a weight he's never made before.

Like I said in another thread. GGG is a full blown Middleweight and is as big and strong as any Middleweight in the division. If GGG were to drop those extra 6 lbs. he would be doing a lot of harm to his body because there's no way he's dropping that weight with out muscle deterioration, especially after seeing him in the ring this past weekend.

Let the delusions continue..

stop the crap...

ggg weighs 159-160...so its losing 5-6 pounds to make 154 and box canelo, lara or mayweather.

margarito fought a fight comin in 157 and the next fight few month later he came in 147 and what happened? he kod monuz and than lost 10 pounds to tko sergio martinez. in 2003 he fought 154 brantley, kod the guy and than about 4 month later went to 146 losing 8 pounds and kod another unbeaten guy.

all i am saying is, dont act like an training or nutrition expert when you know sh&/(t. any proffesional boxer can adjust his training and gain and lose weight (margarito is just a small example). surely he wont lose and gain weight healthy if its 20 or 30 pounds, but if we talk like 5-6 pounds in ggg case, with the right training and nutrition and TIME and a proffesional focus, whcih ggg has, than there is absolutly 0 problem. sure he would not be as strong at 154, im comparence to middlweight, but it would be enough to wreck any man on earth.

Ok, then let the coward GGG keep calling out all these small guys while avoiding the division above him because "He's not ready yet" lol.

GGG has nothing to offer anyone at 154 and all these small dudes that GGG wants to fight have no reason to go up in weight to beat a criminally over hyped European that has a great streak going against a bunch of second tier fighters.

I'm just saying things to get under your skin now. You're delusional and a waste of a member on this forum, you get zero credibility when you show so much bias. Get off GGGs nuts, I'm honestly questioning your sexuality I bet you've been practicing to make it so you don't have a gag reflex for next time you see GGG, you might even have a dildo named after him.

all these small dudes hahahaa.....canelo is like a freakin super middleweight when he baloons up at fight night.....stop your nonsense. on top I said ggg would have to lose weight, as simple as that. when you want big fights against big names like canelo and maybe floyd, than you have to do sacrafice, as easy as that.

I got a very simple answer for you.

first thing first. the big names right now are at 154-lara,canelo,mayweather and at midd there is cotto and quillin/korobov. so right now, there is 0 need to go up and challenge super middleweights. because the money, the fames, the big match ups are in and under his division.

if that is done and he boxed the likes of quillin, cotto, canelo in the next 1 half-2 years, than he got what he wanted being called the undisoputed #1 of middleweights and a p4p star.

so if that is done, than I surely wanna see him put on some muscles and challenge every big name who will be out there in 2 years, guys like ward,froch, ramirez sanchez and maybe talented eubank jr. and but for logicly guys like cotto and canelo are right now the bigger names and therefore a no brainer why ggg should stay.

[Chepppaaa]

Unless you are in GGG's camp you have no idea how hard he works and how much he diets/starves to make 160 right now. If he walks around at 160 and eats a big breakfast and drinks a quart of water prior to the weigh-in, then maybe. Otherwise he probably walks around a lot higher than 160 and eats very little for the last day or two prior to the weigh-in and has to workout the night before and possibly prior to the weigh-in to shed several pounds of water weight. To say losing another 5 or 6 pounds would be easy is ridiculous.

Instead of criticizing smaller guys from not moving up to face GGG, maybe you should question why he doesn't move up a MERE 8 pounds to challenge the SMW's of the world. There are a lot of SMW's licking their chops at the thought of fighting GGG for big $$$$. Remember GGG would probably weigh only 170 tops on the night of the fight and a true SMW would probably weigh 180 or more.

do you know? guess not =)

why move up? canelo is at 154 and floyd can easily make 150+, didnt I say golovkin should move down to challenge the bigger names? yeah I did.

should down the line ggg move up and challenge the top sm, sure he should do that, but now the big names are in and under his division and thats why he should fight in and and lose weight and fight under his division. canelo, cotto, lara, mayweather sound 10 times better in all terms(money, fame, fan-pleasing) than ward, froch, chavez jr and stieglitz.

[zero]

Even if GGG moved down and destroyed everyone in the 154 division Mayweather wouldn't fight him anyway. Floyd wouldn’t fight Pacquiao at 147 there no chance he would fight Golovkin at 154. Gennady would stop him with a destructive beating.

It’s pointless getting involved with the Mayweather apologists their man love clouds their judgment.

[Chepppaaa]

Cotto is just being honest, 3G isn't well known outside of boxing circles and to be totally truthful he hasn't really beaten anyone except for a down the hill Geale. Already we're trying to line the guy up with the best in boxing and he hasn't even proven nothing except beating up a few bums, he has one well known name on his resume and hasn't proven himself yet.

If he gets the other guys to fight him like PQ or JCC Jr or maybe even Cotto down the line then he can begin to say he deserves a bigger shot at someone with real skills. All you PacTurds continually want to line him up with Floyd when Ward is just begging to kick his ass, it's funny how y'all run away from that subject.

Sure move 3G down 6 lbs, for all that matters then why not just move him to 147 instead of moving him up where he has arguably one of the best in the game waiting for him, let's not even throw Manny in there (oh, I forgot, he's not TBE).

lol, you clowns are a joke and you know who you are!!

stop teh crap.....COTTO FOUGHT Delvin Rodriguez AND Yuri Foreman; LIEK THEY MUCH BIGGER NAMES THAN GGG; EVEN SERGIO IS A TOTALY UNKNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF BOXING CIRCLES: COTTO LIKE EVERYBODY JUST WANT NO PART OF GGG BECAUSE GGG CRASHES ANYBODY

[Chepppaaa]

Oh that really hurt me so baaaaad but I know it must of hurt you even more to come up with such a paralyzing line; never mind all that factual stuff about 3G moving up to face Floyd.

Floyd is the TBE (Statistically speaking that is, his stats are better than anyone's in the sport as far as his + - ratio is concerned), I bet that is going to hurt you badly. Hey, where's Manny's statistics on + -??? lol

Well, you proved that you are paranoid again. Nobody mentioned Manny. WTF does this thread have to do with Manny ? I am GGG's fan and don't care much about Manny. I agree that Floyd is a #1 p4p at this point, but GGG would make a bloody mess out of him even at 154.