World Top 30 P4P November 2014

[Horse]

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Andre Ward
3. (3.) Manny Pacquiao
4. (4.) Juan Manuel Marquez
5. (5.) Roman Gonzalez
6. (6.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. (7.) Carl Froch
8. (13.) Gennady Golovkin
9. (8.) Timothy Bradley
10. (11.) Juan Francisco Estrada

11. (9.) Bernard Hopkins
12. (10.) Saul Alvarez
13. (12.) Wladimir Klitschko
14. (14.) Adonis Stevenson
15. (18.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
16. (15.) Mikey Garcia
17. (NE.) Nicholas Walters
18. (17.) Miguel Cotto
19. (19.) Sergey Kovalev
20. (20.) Terence Crawford

21. (22.) Leo Santa Cruz
22. (23.) Mauricio Herrera
23. (21.) Danny Garcia
24. (25.) Kell Brook
25. (24.) Erislandy Lara
26. (26.) Carl Frampton
27. (16.) Nonito Donaire
28. (29.) Marco Huck
29. (30.) Jhonny Gonzalez
30. (27.) Marcos Maidana

Out - (28.) Akira Yaegashi

[Ian1973]

Horse sorry mate but this is a pile of s**t.

Golovkin is the best fighter on the planet right now IMO and OK I can see the argument why you wouldn't put him at number one but number 8 is ridiculous. Wlad at 13 is insulting. Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Marquez, Bradley, Estrada all too high.

If Kovalev beats BHop (and I expect him to), he must surely be inside top ten also. At current 19 is too low.

[Horse]

Horse sorry mate but this is a pile of s**t.

Golovkin is the best fighter on the planet right now IMO and OK I can see the argument why you wouldn't put him at number one but number 8 is ridiculous. Wlad at 13 is insulting. Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Marquez, Bradley, Estrada all too high.

If Kovalev beats BHop (and I expect him to), he must surely be inside top ten also. At current 19 is too low.

I like fighters to actually achieve something before I give them a high ranking.

Maybe I'm a little crazy or old fashioned, but noob hypejobs can wait their turn and shut their mouths before they get some top level wins to earn a good ranking.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Horse sorry mate but this is a pile of s**t.

Golovkin is the best fighter on the planet right now IMO and OK I can see the argument why you wouldn't put him at number one but number 8 is ridiculous. Wlad at 13 is insulting. Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Marquez, Bradley, Estrada all too high.

If Kovalev beats BHop (and I expect him to), he must surely be inside top ten also. At current 19 is too low.

I like fighters to actually achieve something before I give them a high ranking.

Maybe I'm a little crazy or old fashioned, but noob hypejobs can wait their turn and shut their mouths before they get some top level wins to earn a good ranking.

No time frame on achievements? Ward hasn't done a thing in ages.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Horse sorry mate but this is a pile of s**t.

Golovkin is the best fighter on the planet right now IMO and OK I can see the argument why you wouldn't put him at number one but number 8 is ridiculous. Wlad at 13 is insulting. Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Marquez, Bradley, Estrada all too high.

If Kovalev beats BHop (and I expect him to), he must surely be inside top ten also. At current 19 is too low.

Totally agree, he has no business in the top 20.

[Ian1973]

Horse sorry mate but this is a pile of s**t.

Golovkin is the best fighter on the planet right now IMO and OK I can see the argument why you wouldn't put him at number one but number 8 is ridiculous. Wlad at 13 is insulting. Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Marquez, Bradley, Estrada all too high.

If Kovalev beats BHop (and I expect him to), he must surely be inside top ten also. At current 19 is too low.

I like fighters to actually achieve something before I give them a high ranking.

Maybe I'm a little crazy or old fashioned, but noob hypejobs can wait their turn and shut their mouths before they get some top level wins to earn a good ranking.

I see your point but some of these achievements were quite a while ago that surely doesn't entitle them to such high rankings now. A current top 30 is not an all time top 30 of active fighters surely?

The likes of GGG and Wlad are hardly hype jobs they are miles ahead of anyone in their respective divisions.

[Horse]

No time frame on achievements? Ward hasn't done a thing in ages.

He'll be dropping soon.

Rigondeaux hasn't done much recently either. He'll be dropping as well.

[Horse]

I see your point but some of these achievements were quite a while ago that surely doesn't entitle them to such high rankings now. A current top 30 is not an all time top 30 of active fighters surely?

The likes of GGG and Wlad are hardly hype jobs they are miles ahead of anyone in their respective divisions.

Wlad had to cheat against Povetkin it was embarrassing.

Golovkin has not proven that he is miles ahead of anyone else at middleweight. He's only beaten two top 10 middleweights in his 8.5 year career. I'm sick of his jock sniffers. He's not the P4P No. 1 at all, he is totally unworthy or such adulation.

[Ian1973]

I see your point but some of these achievements were quite a while ago that surely doesn't entitle them to such high rankings now. A current top 30 is not an all time top 30 of active fighters surely?

The likes of GGG and Wlad are hardly hype jobs they are miles ahead of anyone in their respective divisions.

Wlad had to cheat against Povetkin it was embarrassing.

Golovkin has not proven that he is miles ahead of anyone else at middleweight. He's only beaten two top 10 middleweights in his 8.5 year career. I'm sick of his jock sniffers. He's not the P4P No. 1 at all, he is totally unworthy or such adulation.

I don't think your view on Golovkin is balanced .............. for whatever reason. Who would you like him to beat at middleweight? Martinez?

Wlad does grab and all the rest I totally agree but then so does Mayweather.

[Horse]

I don't think your view on Golovkin is balanced .............. for whatever reason. Who would you like him to beat at middleweight? Martinez?

Murray is a good start.

Wlad does grab and all the rest I totally agree but then so does Mayweather.

Mayweather doesn't grab like Wladimir, not at all. Wladimir is in a league of his own. Pathetic.

[Ian1973]

I don't think your view on Golovkin is balanced .............. for whatever reason. Who would you like him to beat at middleweight? Martinez?

Murray is a good start.

Wlad does grab and all the rest I totally agree but then so does Mayweather.

Mayweather doesn't grab like Wladimir, not at all. Wladimir is in a league of his own. Pathetic.

Given your adoration of Murray horse when GGG smashes him up does he go to no. 1 then? Now, come on, we all know how highly you rate Murray.

As for Wlad you are contradicting yourself a bit when you say your rankings are based on achievement yet you downgrade Wlad who has ruled the heavyweight division for years based on his style of performance.

[Horse]

Given your adoration of Murray horse when GGG smashes him up does he go to no. 1 then? Now, come on, we all know how highly you rate Murray.

No. Mayweather would still be the clear No. 1.

[Ian1973]

1 Gennady Golovkin
2 Floyd Mayweather
3 Guillermo Rigondeaux
4 Wladimir Klitschko
5 Andre Ward


That is a better top 5.

[Horse]

1 Gennady Golovkin
2 Floyd Mayweather
3 Guillermo Rigondeaux
4 Wladimir Klitschko
5 Andre Ward


That is a better top 5.

Oh dear.

[Ian1973]

1 Gennady Golovkin
2 Floyd Mayweather
3 Guillermo Rigondeaux
4 Wladimir Klitschko
5 Andre Ward


That is a better top 5.

Oh dear.

That is a more polite response than I was expecting. ;;-)

[Horse]

That is a more polite response than I was expecting. ;;-)

Even you think your rankings are worthy of contempt.

[Ian1973]

That is a more polite response than I was expecting. ;;-)

Even you think your rankings are worthy of contempt.

;;-)

[Ricky_]

Walters straight in above Miguel Cotto another laughable list.

[Gregk]

Walters straight in above Miguel Cotto another laughable list.

Why is that laughable? Walters just steamrolled Rigondeaux's best win. At the moment Nicholas looks invincible, he deserves to be in the P4P top 30.

[jezzamundo]

Good, interesting and well-thought-out list as per usual.

Where to rank Wlad P4P is a tricky one and depends largely on how you do P4P. If you do it on "who beats who if they were the same size", then Wlad shouldn't be in the Top 30. Based on domination of one's own division, he's got to be Top 5, but the fact that his division is so weak undermines this.

I think #8 is very fair for GGG at this point given what he has accomplished and who he has fought.

1 Gennady Golovkin
2 Floyd Mayweather
3 Guillermo Rigondeaux
4 Wladimir Klitschko
5 Andre Ward


That is a better top 5.

No.

[Horse]

Walters straight in above Miguel Cotto another laughable list.

Why is that laughable? Walters just steamrolled Rigondeaux's best win. At the moment Nicholas looks invincible, he deserves to be in the P4P top 30.

He also whooped Darchinyan in his fight before that which is a pretty good win.

[Horse]

Good, interesting and well-thought-out list as per usual.

Where to rank Wlad P4P is a tricky one and depends largely on how you do P4P. If you do it on "who beats who if they were the same size", then Wlad shouldn't be in the Top 30. Based on domination of one's own division, he's got to be Top 5, but the fact that his division is so weak undermines this.

What is the average weight for a heavyweight? Wlad is a big guy, but he generally doesn't weigh that much more than his opponents.

I think #8 is very fair for GGG at this point given what he has accomplished and who he has fought.No.

[jockpunk]

An improvement from some of the past ones, but I am not sure donaire belongs in the top 30 at this point. He simply isn't that good anymore and while he has some nice accomplishments, those are all a couple years ago.

Herrera in the top 30 is ridiculous.

Other than that, not bad.

[Horse]

An improvement from some of the past ones, but I am not sure donaire belongs in the top 30 at this point. He simply isn't that good anymore and while he has some nice accomplishments, those are all a couple years ago.

He has beaten Darchinyan and Vetyeka in the last 12 months, so it's not as if he hasn't done anything of worth recently.

Herrera in the top 30 is ridiculous.

Other than that, not bad.

Herrera beat Garcia clearly. If Herrera doesn't deserve a place then neither does Garcia.

[Ricky_]

Walters straight in above Miguel Cotto another laughable list.

Why is that laughable? Walters just steamrolled Rigondeaux's best win. At the moment Nicholas looks invincible, he deserves to be in the P4P top 30.

Because Miguel Cotto is simply a different class of fighter, anyone who seriously thinks boxers such as Walters or Mikey Garcia are p4p better fighters than Miguel Cotto is watching the wrong sport.