what did khan change?

[man]

Ill say that khan has improved slightly, but I must ask this question.... Did anyone here think that devon had a chance in hell of winning that fight?

alexander is no prime contender, but no bum
either. people seem to forget that khan is not
appearing for the first time on world level. he
re-entera the stage and he seems to have learned
a lesson or two. does that mean he will beat
everyone? of course not, but i think you must
give credit very credit is due and beating devon
in such measured, cold blooded way was not
necessarily what i expected.

[Yes We Can]

Ill say that khan has improved slightly, but I must ask this question.... Did anyone here think that devon had a chance in hell of winning that fight? I posted here before the fight that khan was going to win a wide decision and it really wasn't a question. I bring this up because it seems like after this victory, guys are not acting as though khan has made this evolution and become this dominating fighter. Guys, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED!!!

We often talk of all the talent at 140, but he skipped through that division after losing to 2 of the belt holders, (Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia) and now is crying for a shot at the title after winning 2 fights at 147 when he only has 2 victories (collazo and alexander) over guys who are ranked by boxrec as 35th and 12th respectively.

How much does hand speed count for if you have a glass chin, square yourself up, and rush in against a good counter puncher?

I think Khan beat Peterson.

Even if you argue he did lose (and it was close) the fight should read as a NC due to Petersons failed drugs tests.

Garcia wiped him out fair and square.

he also held wins over Kotelnik, Maidana, Malignaggi & Judah at the weight.... that is not by my definition skipping the division.

[KBB]

Ill say that khan has improved slightly, but I must ask this question.... Did anyone here think that devon had a chance in hell of winning that fight? I posted here before the fight that khan was going to win a wide decision and it really wasn't a question. I bring this up because it seems like after this victory, guys are not acting as though khan has made this evolution and become this dominating fighter. Guys, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED!!!

We often talk of all the talent at 140, but he skipped through that division after losing to 2 of the belt holders, (Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia) and now is crying for a shot at the title after winning 2 fights at 147 when he only has 2 victories (collazo and alexander) over guys who are ranked by boxrec as 35th and 12th respectively.

How much does hand speed count for if you have a glass chin, square yourself up, and rush in against a good counter puncher?

The funny thing is that people act as if losses doesn't count any longer when trying to face a champion, they do!! If Pacquaio had to regain his credibility vs Bradley (even though I don't think he lost the first fight) then why should Khan be given a pass on losing to Garcia and Peterson and be considered next in line behind Pac for a shot at Mayweather?

It doesn't make sense.

[Yes We Can]

Ill say that khan has improved slightly, but I must ask this question.... Did anyone here think that devon had a chance in hell of winning that fight? I posted here before the fight that khan was going to win a wide decision and it really wasn't a question. I bring this up because it seems like after this victory, guys are not acting as though khan has made this evolution and become this dominating fighter. Guys, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED!!!

We often talk of all the talent at 140, but he skipped through that division after losing to 2 of the belt holders, (Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia) and now is crying for a shot at the title after winning 2 fights at 147 when he only has 2 victories (collazo and alexander) over guys who are ranked by boxrec as 35th and 12th respectively.

How much does hand speed count for if you have a glass chin, square yourself up, and rush in against a good counter puncher?

The funny thing is that people act as if losses doesn't count any longer when trying to face a champion, they do!! If Pacquaio had to regain his credibility vs Bradley (even though I don't think he lost the first fight) then why should Khan be given a pass on losing to Garcia and Peterson and be considered next in line behind Pac for a shot at Mayweather?

It doesn't make sense.

What doesn't make sense I people allowing Peterson a free pass in that fight.

Danny wiped him out. Peterson likely lost and cheated.

[KBB]

What doesn't make sense I people allowing Peterson a free pass in that fight.

Danny wiped him out. Peterson likely lost and cheated.

Yes, I agree that Peterson cheated but what he did in the ring was expose Khan for not being a puncher, not really being all that fast as people are making him out to be and not being a good as he's being paraded to be. He officially has both bouts as losses neither of which he has even spoken of avenging but yet he is quick to spurt out the name Floyd as though he's done something in beating two hasbeens (Devon and Luis) as though that earns him a shot.

Only in this modern day are we allowed to even consider Khan as being worthy of facing a champion without having to go through at least one or two of the top contenders, when I was a kid this didn't happen.

You had to wipe the division clean before you even thought your name belonged in the same sentence with the Champ's. Boxing fans these days

[palooka]

Khan looked plenty fast last weekend; the work with Hunter seems to be improving his overall game and he seems to have a strategy that makes use of his attributes.

[KBB]

Khan looked plenty fast last weekend; the work with Hunter seems to be improving his overall game and he seems to have a strategy that makes use of his attributes.

Khan has always "looked" fast but his fights with a slow Garcia and an even slower Peterson proves that he's not the Speedster people are making him out to be and what exactly has Hunter improved in Khan's game? What strategy?

He was able to vary his game vs a basic fighter in Alexander, instead of talking about what Khan did we should be focused on what Alexander didn't do that makes him out to be not all what everyone thought he was which is what made Amir "look" like he improved.

I think he may have improved his balance but that's about it and we apparently will never know for sure if he's improved because we would have to see how he'd deal with Garcia or Peterson in a rematch.

Collazo and Alexander did nothing in their fights vs Amir, neither man made any adjustments whatsoever; they simply continued to fight the same way the entire fight. No traps, no level changes, no feints, never made Khan's back touch the ropes, never made him circle in the opposite direction that was uncomfortable for him.

So are we to deduce that Khan improved because he faced someone who made no adjustments whatsoever and assume he's gotten better based on something his opponents didn't do as opposed to what he did? Or should we wait wisely to see him vs someone who can punch or rematch guys like Garcia and Peterson who can take his best shots, walk him down and take him out of his comfort zone to see what he's really learned?

I'll stay with the latter until he shows me that he has actually improved vs someone who can make him have to show he's capable of making adjustments.

[CheckHook]

Khan has always "looked" fast but his fights with a slow Garcia and an even slower Peterson proves that he's not the Speedster people are making him out to be....

Of all the things to pick to criticise Khan about, his speed is probably not the one to go after.... The line you have taken to prove his lack of speed also makes zero sense.

[palooka]

Maybe Khan negated any of the opponents adjustments by boxing his own game and sticking to it? Alexander and Collazo do not become 'ordinary' and mediocre boxers because Khan beat them. Many picked both to beat him easily; it's fine to be wise after the event. A I see it, Khan has settled into the weight and it suits him, he hasn't been rattled and he has hit both Luis and Devon far harder than he's been hit himself. Devon said that the key to beating Khan was timing - I've seen Devon box a few times and he has a smooth style, fast hands and good timing. Khan was just a level above - Devon was trying his 'A' game and getting beat out of sight.

If there are faster welters in the world I've not seen them.

[SenorPipino]

He obviously changed to give his glass chin protection.
Why rumble with guys when you have a very vulnerable beard?

His current dull style (a la the reinvented Lennox Lewis and Wlad Klitschko) will guarantee him some wins and survival but it won't help him as an attraction.
Would you really want to see him and Mayweather "go at it" for 12 rounds?

[man]

The funny thing is that people act as if losses doesn't count any longer when trying to face a champion, they do!! If Pacquaio had to regain his credibility vs Bradley (even though I don't think he lost the first fight) then why should Khan be given a pass on losing to Garcia and Peterson and be considered next in line behind Pac for a shot at Mayweather?

It doesn't make sense.

maybe because these losses didn't
happen yesterday?

[man]

Only in this modern day are we allowed to even consider Khan as being worthy of facing a champion without having to go through at least one or two of the top contenders, when I was a kid this didn't happen.

well, i don't know when you were a kid, so
i throw in one title fight of the greatest.
for a WBC and WBA title-bout ali faced jean
pierre coopman, whose previous two
opponents had a combined total record of
3-7. took me exactly 5 seconds to find that.

[ajwesty13]

I am rather shocked to read the comments on this post... seems comments are made through dislike rather than clarity...

khan does a lot differently since his move to Hunter...Virgil working on his biggest weaknesses, a poor inside game. to which his movement is better, he doesnt stay in the pocket to long, he smothers, his defence is a lot tighter. like someone else said he a seasoned a fighter.

[KBB]

Khan has always "looked" fast but his fights with a slow Garcia and an even slower Peterson proves that he's not the Speedster people are making him out to be....

Of all the things to pick to criticise Khan about, his speed is probably not the one to go after.... The line you have taken to prove his lack of speed also makes zero sense.

When I think speed I don't only focus on the handspeed like it appears you are doing, I focus on the overall speed; which in looking at those fights you can clearly see he didn't have the speed to allude/avoid getting connected on repeatedly or KO'd.

So if I'm wrong about his "speed" then please let me know where??

[palooka]

In a boxing match it is inevitable that a boxer will get hit, Benitez got hit, Canto got hit, Lopez got hit, Whittaker got hit The best defensive boxers in history got hit repeatedly so did the fastest, look at Meldrick Taylor or Ray Leonard. Khan has got all round speed, Cunningham said that Khan is fast but not quick, well last weekend he was both too fast and too quick.

[CheckHook]

Khan has always "looked" fast but his fights with a slow Garcia and an even slower Peterson proves that he's not the Speedster people are making him out to be....

Of all the things to pick to criticise Khan about, his speed is probably not the one to go after.... The line you have taken to prove his lack of speed also makes zero sense.

When I think speed I don't only focus on the handspeed like it appears you are doing, I focus on the overall speed; which in looking at those fights you can clearly see he didn't have the speed to allude/avoid getting connected on repeatedly or KO'd.

So if I'm wrong about his "speed" then please let me know where??

So do you focus on hand speed at all? If so, how does Khan rank in your opinion compared to the rest of the 147lb division?

Are you saying Khan is particularly slow footed? Since you claim you don't only focus on hand speed then we can assume that you do take hand speed into consideration. With this in mind would it be a fair assumption to make that you consider Khan exceptionally slow in other departments, since it should be clear he has impressive hand speed?

When you say 'speed' I think its fair for people to assume you are talking about his overall speed, which surely includes his obviously fast hands and reasonable foot speed, not some bizarre concept of speed you have created in your mind in order to imply Khan is slow.

Also my original point stands, your logic for supporting Khan's lack of speed is clearly flawed. Getting beaten or hit by slower fighters doesn't make you slow, does it?

EDIT: I should add these are largely rhetorical questions and there to add balance to the discussion rather than glean any sort of useful or interesting response.

[KBB]

So do you focus on hand speed at all? If so, how does Khan rank in your opinion compared to the rest of the 147lb division?

Are you saying Khan is particularly slow footed? Since you claim you don't only focus on hand speed then we can assume that you do take hand speed into consideration. With this in mind would it be a fair assumption to make that you consider Khan exceptionally slow in other departments, since it should be clear he has impressive hand speed?

When you say 'speed' I think its fair for people to assume you are talking about his overall speed, which surely includes his obviously fast hands and reasonable foot speed, not some bizarre concept of speed you have created in your mind in order to imply Khan is slow.

Also my original point stands, your logic for supporting Khan's lack of speed is clearly flawed. Getting beaten or hit by slower fighters doesn't make you slow, does it?

Ok since your level of comprehension appears to be lower than I thought I will try to take this down to a level so that the laymen can understand; first off remind us all where I stated "Khan is Slow"???

That is where you fail to comprehend! I never said Khan was slow but I'm just not going to make it sound as though he is so fast that he is incapable of being caught or beaten when I used Peterson and Garcia both of whom has caught him routinely and one of which put him to sleep.

If those are bad examples of his lack of overall speed then I suggest you go get an eye test or some bifocals so you can get a better picture.

Khan's ranking in the overall picture at 147:

Floyd
Manny
Bradley
JMM
Brook
Porter
Khan
Alexander
Maidana
Thurman
Guerrero
Malignaggi
Chaves
Bundu
Gavin
Rios

I'm not a Khan Hater, I'm just not a Khan Lover nor do I think him beating the likes of Collazo and a skill challenged Alexander surpasses his losses enough to Garcia and Peterson warrants him getting a shot at Mayweather. Yes, he has handspeed and decent footspeed but he isn't so fast that he simply outspeeds every fighter and isn't getting touched.

Did you see his face after the Alexander fight?? Imagine one of the top fighters on that list tags him as much as Devon did (all of them hits harder than Alexander).

[CheckHook]

I never said Khan was slow but I'm just not going to make it sound as though he is so fast that he is incapable of being caught.

Every fighter can get caught, that doesn't make them slow or make their speed a myth which is clearly what you were trying to assert. You can spin it how you want or back track as much as you want, but like I said originally, there is plenty to criticise Khan for, his speed isn't one of them.

You should start criticising Khans chin instead, you might have more success.

[palooka]

So do you focus on hand speed at all? If so, how does Khan rank in your opinion compared to the rest of the 147lb division?

Are you saying Khan is particularly slow footed? Since you claim you don't only focus on hand speed then we can assume that you do take hand speed into consideration. With this in mind would it be a fair assumption to make that you consider Khan exceptionally slow in other departments, since it should be clear he has impressive hand speed?

When you say 'speed' I think its fair for people to assume you are talking about his overall speed, which surely includes his obviously fast hands and reasonable foot speed, not some bizarre concept of speed you have created in your mind in order to imply Khan is slow.

Also my original point stands, your logic for supporting Khan's lack of speed is clearly flawed. Getting beaten or hit by slower fighters doesn't make you slow, does it?

Ok since your level of comprehension appears to be lower than I thought I will try to take this down to a level so that the laymen can understand; first off remind us all where I stated "Khan is Slow"???

That is where you fail to comprehend! I never said Khan was slow but I'm just not going to make it sound as though he is so fast that he is incapable of being caught or beaten when I used Peterson and Garcia both of whom has caught him routinely and one of which put him to sleep.

If those are bad examples of his lack of overall speed then I suggest you go get an eye test or some bifocals so you can get a better picture.

Khan's ranking in the overall picture at 147:

Floyd
Manny
Bradley
JMM
Brook
Porter
Khan
Alexander
Maidana
Thurman
Guerrero
Malignaggi
Chaves
Bundu
Gavin
Rios

I'm not a Khan Hater, I'm just not a Khan Lover nor do I think him beating the likes of Collazo and a skill challenged Alexander surpasses his losses enough to Garcia and Peterson warrants him getting a shot at Mayweather. Yes, he has handspeed and decent footspeed but he isn't so fast that he simply outspeeds every fighter and isn't getting touched.

Did you see his face after the Alexander fight?? Imagine one of the top fighters on that list tags him as much as Devon did (all of them hits harder than Alexander).

I don't think he gives a monkeys how much he marks up after a fight as long as he wins.

[KBB]

I never said Khan was slow but I'm just not going to make it sound as though he is so fast that he is incapable of being caught.

Every fighter can get caught, that doesn't make them slow or make their speed a myth which is clearly what you were trying to assert. You can spin it how you want or back track as much as you want, but like I said originally, there is plenty to criticise Khan for, his speed isn't one of them.

You should start criticising Khans chin instead, you might have more success.

I don't need to backtrack or do anything, Khan isn't all that fast and surely not fast as you think he is; he got KTFO more than once by fighters who's handspeed is slower than his so he isn't all that you are sucking his d*ck for him to be, sorry I'm hurting your feelings talking about him but I backed up what I stated with facts and all you are doing is whining because I said he isn't as fast as people are claiming him to be and you're making a big deal of it.

Everyone knows Khan's chin is crap but there are a boatload of people going around saying how Amir has improved just because he beat Devon (who has no ability to make adjustments) as though it means that he (Khan) would be able to beat anyone, I don't see the so called "improvement" in him and he looks ripe for another KO by Garcia should he ever decide to grow a pair of balls and call him out for a rematch instead of focusing on Mayweather.

It's my opinion that he isn't as fast as people are claiming him to be, I backed it up with facts and this is a forum so I'm entitled to say what I stated; if you don't like it then just simply say I don't like it and I disagree and that would be the end of it but you want to continue as though you are going to change my mind, sorry it won't happen no more than I will change yours.

[CheckHook]

Khan isn't all that fast

If you say it enough times people might start to believe it.....

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Yes, he has handspeed and decent footspeed but he isn't so fast that he simply outspeeds every fighter and isn't getting touched.

This point is often completely ignored by Khan enthusiasts.

Stop getting yourself all worked up over these Khan enthusiasts. They will not listen to reason. They never have.

I gave him a pass with Prescott.
I thought I saw something against Maidana.
It was confirmed against Peterson.
I thought Garcia put it all to rest.

... but they're back again. I'm convinced they will never stop until Khan gets KO'ed by Floyd AND Manny. But then again, Audley Harrison probably sold out arenas in the UK, so Khan-love really ain't that bad.

[jimcook]

Yes, he has handspeed and decent footspeed but he isn't so fast that he simply outspeeds every fighter and isn't getting touched.

This point is often completely ignored by Khan enthusiasts.

Stop getting yourself all worked up over these Khan enthusiasts. They will not listen to reason. They never have.

I gave him a pass with Prescott.
I thought I saw something against Maidana.
It was confirmed against Peterson.
I thought Garcia put it all to rest.

... but they're back again. I'm convinced they will never stop until Khan gets KO'ed by Floyd AND Manny. But then again, Audley Harrison probably sold out arenas in the UK, so Khan-love really ain't that bad.

exactly. when he fights any top welter who can punch , its all gonna go pear shaped. again.

[Yes We Can]

Yes, he has handspeed and decent footspeed but he isn't so fast that he simply outspeeds every fighter and isn't getting touched.

This point is often completely ignored by Khan enthusiasts.

Stop getting yourself all worked up over these Khan enthusiasts. They will not listen to reason. They never have.

I gave him a pass with Prescott.
I thought I saw something against Maidana.
It was confirmed against Peterson.
I thought Garcia put it all to rest.

... but they're back again. I'm convinced they will never stop until Khan gets KO'ed by Floyd AND Manny. But then again, Audley Harrison probably sold out arenas in the UK, so Khan-love really ain't that bad.

exactly. when he fights any top welter who can punch , its all gonna go pear shaped. again.

It certainly wll go pear shaped again, but I still believe he has the talents to produce something spectacular as well.

He could beat Mayweather then get steamrollered by a Porter.... its part of the appeal in watching his fights for me.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

Khan is going to end up like Meldrick Taylor.