Pureist wrote:If your fighting at your best weight, why change, the BIG GUNS as you put it could have dropped a division if they wanted his titles, don't think he had you in mind when he made his decisions, Mosley could have fought him but jumped 2 divisions, could have been avoiding him, who knows, not you or myself
He avoided them without a doubt. The big guns/$$$$$$ don't chase. Tszyu was not the big gun, the others were and were fighting each other. Just accept it.
Pureist wrote:If your fighting at your best weight, why change, the BIG GUNS as you put it could have dropped a division if they wanted his titles, don't think he had you in mind when he made his decisions, Mosley could have fought him but jumped 2 divisions, could have been avoiding him, who knows, not you or myself
He avoided them without a doubt. The big guns/$$$$$$ don't chase. Tszyu was not the big gun, the others were and were fighting each other. Just accept it.
Exactly, that's why Harmon is making the big fights now, titles are like pieces of Lego...... Who cares about them.
KT fought Stiffs at 140lbs for the majority of those defences in a backwater boxing country like Australia.....
Mordey sold him the dream and Vlad promised him more, that's why they fell out basically.
Pureist wrote:If your fighting at your best weight, why change, the BIG GUNS as you put it could have dropped a division if they wanted his titles, don't think he had you in mind when he made his decisions, Mosley could have fought him but jumped 2 divisions, could have been avoiding him, who knows, not you or myself
He avoided them without a doubt. The big guns/$$$$$$ don't chase. Tszyu was not the big gun, the others were and were fighting each other. Just accept it.
Exactly, that's why Harmon is making the big fights now, titles are like pieces of Lego...... Who cares about them.
KT fought Stiffs at 140lbs for the majority of those defences in a backwater boxing country like Australia.....
Mordey sold him the dream and Vlad promised him more, that's why they fell out basically.
Yep Kel spot on.
Boxing titles/trinkets don't mean much when guys like Sam Soliman have won them and guys like Danny Greeny proclaim that they are 4 time/3weight world champs. It just doesn't mean much, the hardcore fans know this.
What matters in boxing is your resume and Tszyu's is very slim for a boxer who some say is a great. Best win Zab Judah/close thread discussion over.
Is that the best you've got mate. Continue the boxing discussion. Why do you consider Tszyu such a great. Tell us about his great wins over great fighters. I'm all ears.
He cleaned out the whole division Jnr, Mosley didn't stop there to visit now did he, you can't ask anymore than that, simple, if you want to hate along with your mate happy, go ahead, be funny to see you go down that familiar old track again eh jnr
Pureist wrote:He cleaned out the whole division Jnr, Mosley didn't stop there to visit now did he, you can't ask anymore than that, simple, if you want to hate along with your mate happy, go ahead, be funny to see you go down that familiar old track again eh jnr
Where do you rate him then on an all time list Pureist ?
Top 150, top 100, top 50. top 25, top 10 ? Where ?
I can see where your coming from pureist, although personally I wouldn't rate Kosta top 100, like Don curry before him he was p4p rated number 1 but didn't quite have those legacy fights in his prime. I certainly see where your coming from about all the tossers coming over since esb aussie forum closed down.
Tszyu is nowhere near top 100. Like most have said, his best wins vs Judah. Vince Phillips destroyed him. How's that cleaning out a division? Did he rematch Vince??
Vince Philips destroyed him? Did you watch the fight? It was a great close fight in which Philips outlasted Tyszu. Tyszu went onto to dominate light welter for years, Philips never quite repeated his heroics of that night. I grew up watching Ricky Hatton and was lucky enough to see him box live 5 times before he beat Kostya, I loved watching Ricky, he brought it all, had all the mad fans singing the football chants of his name, but I still felt a bit gutted when he beat Kostya. It was an end of an era. People seem to forget how dominate and great to watch Kostya Tyszu was.
Hard to tell this day and age as not every great fighter boxes each other like they used too, but I'd say Kostya was a fantastic fighter! and had a long spell as champ but I think his record needs to have a few more big names on it to be an all time great.
stevedoc wrote:No way in the top 100 never mind 25 , great amateur but good rather than brilliant world champ
Look I won't put you on show and say name the 100 in front of him but could you pretty please name the 25 and try to be honest or is that asking too much
Vince Phillips ...not a legend but smashed the crap out of kos
SRR
Armstrong
Ali
Louis
Pep
Duran
Leonard
Greg
Langford
Jimmy Wilde
Hearns
Hagler
Chavez
Sam Langford
Tony canzoneri
Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox lewis
Evander holy field
Carlos monzon
George Dixon
Alexis arguello
Aaron Pryor
Wilfredo benitez
Roy jones
I think that's over 25 I could do another 100 with ease ........
Next time think before trying to be a smart ass and you won't look like such a dickhead
WHAT HEAVYWEIGHTS :?? AND GENE TUNNEY FEATHERWEIGHTS MIDDLEWEIGHTS WHAT THE F..K I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JR WELTERWEIGHTS...........
AND IF WE ARE TALKING ATG AT ANY WEIGHT YOUR LIST IS THE LETS SAY MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW LONG DID IT TAKE U TO THINK UP THESE 25 IT MUST HAVE BEEN IN RECORD TIME
AND JUST ONE MORE THING ARE U RELATED TO TONY CANZONERI HE'D BE LUCKY TO BE RATED IN THE TOP 25 AT HIS OWN WEIGHT WAS IT MIDDLE YOU MUST KNOW.
GEES YOU LEFT ALI OUT
JUST SHOWS HOW HONEST YOU ARE DICKHEAD...........................................................................
Francis75 wrote:What does everyone think was Tszyu's best performance as a pro boxer ?
Thoughts ?
Best win is Judah, but best performances I would say his beat down of Gonzalez & destruction of Mitchell in the rematch.
Agree with Judah probably best win, he beat Gonzales easier that De la hoya did
it took him 2 rounds to destroy Judah [ when Zab was going to be the next superstar ]
6 years later it took Cotto 11 rounds rounds
then 10 years after Kostya it took Khan 5 rounds
Khan is not a big puncher but in between no one stopped Judah like Kostya.
Francis75 wrote:What does everyone think was Tszyu's best performance as a pro boxer ?
Thoughts ?
Best win is Judah, but best performances I would say his beat down of Gonzalez & destruction of Mitchell in the rematch.
Agree with Judah probably best win, he beat Gonzales easier that De la hoya did
it took him 2 rounds to destroy Judah [ when Zab was going to be the next superstar ]
6 years later it took Cotto 11 rounds rounds
then 10 years after Kostya it took Khan 5 rounds
Khan is not a big puncher but in between no one stopped Judah like Kostya.
It was a good wine, but boy did Zab really put a boxing clinic on KT in that first rd.
There is no such thing as a lucky punch but I bet KT was glad he landed it when he did
Francis75 wrote:Zab lost all of his big fights. It really doesn't say much that he is Tszyu's best win.
Well didn't he win the UNDISPUTED welterweight tittle WELL WELL THATS JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH THEIR WAS NO WBF/WBU/IBU
AND NO COMEBACKS YOU SAID ALL AND YOU KNOW THATS BULLSH..
Francis75 wrote:Zab lost all of his big fights. It really doesn't say much that he is Tszyu's best win.
Well didn't he win the UNDISPUTED welterweight tittle WELL WELL THATS JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH THEIR WAS NO WBF/WBU/IBU
AND NO COMEBACKS YOU SAID ALL AND YOU KNOW THATS BULLSH..
You consider a win over Cory Spinks as a big win ?
Francis75 wrote:Zab lost all of his big fights. It really doesn't say much that he is Tszyu's best win.
Well didn't he win the UNDISPUTED welterweight tittle WELL WELL THATS JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH THEIR WAS NO WBF/WBU/IBU
AND NO COMEBACKS YOU SAID ALL AND YOU KNOW THATS BULLSH..
You consider a win over Cory Spinks as a big win ?
YOU MUST BE ONE HELL OF A TASK MASTER OR A FU..ING GREAT FIGHTER YOURSELF
UNDISPUTED I KNOW WE DON'T HEAR IT MUCH BUT CHECKOUT WHAT UNDISPUTED IS......................
CORY SPINKS WHAT A BUM
FEATHERWEIGHTS MIDDLEWEIGHTS WHAT THE F..K I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JR WELTERWEIGHTS...........
