Froch upsets Nigel Benn

[stevieb_8006]

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... mes-degale

He's my all time fav, but some serious rewriting of history from Benn here. "We fought the best..." Errr it could be argued that you didn't face the best in Britain (graham), let alone the world (RJJ, toney, nunn, kalumbay, mccallum...sure I've missed a few)

Whilst froch has undoubtably faced the best of his era.

[keirw]

I get the feeling Ambrose Mendy has asked Benn to question Froch's legacy to try and guilt him into fighting Degale.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Froch's career eclipses Benn's comprehensively IMO. And Froch would have outlasted Nigel in a fight. What a great matchup it would have been though.

[ILikeBeer]

"Nigel Benn believes Carl Froch should fight James DeGale in order to back up his claims that he is one of the best super middleweights Britain has produced."

Yeah, Nigel. Whatever....

[danamba7]

Nigel, Nigel, Nigel...

[jameswilson]

I get the feeling Ambrose Mendy has asked Benn to question Froch's legacy to try and guilt him into fighting Degale.

Pretty much it I think.

[Ketchel]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

[danamba7]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

True, both understandable because of the timing.

[Stuarty]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

True, both understandable because of the timing.

X3

[Horse]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

A win over Froch would have boosted Calzaghe's record and all time standing significantly.

Froch's legacy could also be significantly boosted if he beats DeGale and DeGale goes on to do good things at world level.

So, I see things completely differently.

[danamba7]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

A win over Froch would have boosted Calzaghe's record and all time standing significantly.

Froch's legacy could also be significantly boosted if he beats DeGale and DeGale goes on to do good things at world level.

So, I see things completely differently.

We know

[Horse]

We know

I'll assume that's a compliment.

[TheCobra]

This is pretty much the Calzaghe Froch scenario at the tail end of Joe's career. Calzaghe's legacy has not changed because he did not fight Froch. Froch's legacy will not be questioned because he did not fight Degale.

A win over Froch would have boosted Calzaghe's record and all time standing significantly.

Froch's legacy could also be significantly boosted if he beats DeGale and DeGale goes on to do good things at world level.

So, I see things completely differently.

Agree with horse, both legacies could have been boosted, but more so in Calzaghe's case.

Look at where Froch was when he was calling out Joe and he was unbeaten, knocking everyone out and looking like a really dangerous opponent.

DeGale is different in that he's just awkward, he aint gona knock Carl out but he could provide a really awkward night's work. He's also already been beat by George Groves, a man who Carl beat twice. So it's definitely not the same as where Froch was at i.e. unbeaten, powerful punch and fearless style.

Personally I'm not dead keen to see Froch vs DeGale styles wise. What made Groves vs Froch so good was that essentially they both like to get stuck in and both have a KO punch on them. Both get the red mist and get involved in a war at times. DeGale is just a shitbag most the time.

[littlekinny]

TBH Im with Horse and Cobra as well.
Will probably get heat for this but JC only ever beat 3 people that he was not a heavy favourite against (Eubank, Kessler, Lacy). One was past it and another as it turns out seriously over-rated but in fairness that aint JCs fault and you could argue it was JC that ruined him.
Even at the time Froch wouldve been maybe top 5 (id argue) or certainly top 10 (challenge anyone to name 9 more) competitive fights in JCs career.

[bripez]

TBH Im with Horse and Cobra as well.
Will probably get heat for this but JC only ever beat 3 people that he was not a heavy favourite against (Eubank, Kessler, Lacy). One was past it and another as it turns out seriously over-rated but in fairness that aint JCs fault and you could argue it was JC that ruined him.
Even at the time Froch wouldve been maybe top 5 (id argue) or certainly top 10 (challenge anyone to name 9 more) competitive fights in JCs career.

Got to agree with that.

In my lifetime, Froch has been the standout in terms of taking on and beating all the top boxers, both at home and abroad.

The likes of Calzaghe and Hatton had top careers, but they still don't match the achievements from Froch.

I can understand why he gets annoyed that he does not get the level of recognition from the general public, but being a bit of a nob who is always moaning about not getting the recognition he thinks he deserves is not going to help !

[danamba7]

TBH Im with Horse and Cobra as well.
Will probably get heat for this but JC only ever beat 3 people that he was not a heavy favourite against (Eubank, Kessler, Lacy). One was past it and another as it turns out seriously over-rated but in fairness that aint JCs fault and you could argue it was JC that ruined him.
Even at the time Froch wouldve been maybe top 5 (id argue) or certainly top 10 (challenge anyone to name 9 more) competitive fights in JCs career.

Got to agree with that.

In my lifetime, Froch has been the standout in terms of taking on and beating all the top boxers, both at home and abroad.

The likes of Calzaghe and Hatton had top careers, but they still don't match the achievements from Froch.

I can understand why he gets annoyed that he does not get the level of recognition from the general public, but being a bit of a nob who is always moaning about not getting the recognition he thinks he deserves is not going to help !

Catch 22!

[ALI]

Froch has a better record than all of them.

In a Froch v Benn fight the smart money would have to be on a Froch win, and probably by KO.

Agree with Benn re DeGale being a real tough fight for Froch, i think Froch knows it to.

[Horse]

Agree with Benn re DeGale being a real tough fight for Froch, i think Froch knows it to.

It's a real risk, but with real reward.

If Degale beats Dirrell then he's probably No. 3 in the division behind Froch and Ward. He would be a very respectable opponent, as well as being British to raise interest in the fight.

Apart from Ward then there is no better opponent at super middleweight than the winner of DeGale vs Dirrell.

[Eddy]

We're never going to know who would've won but to me, Nigel Benn is more of a boxing hero then Froch will ever be. As for Benn not fighting RJJ and Toney, I always got the feeling it was them that didn't want to know. The exicitement Eubank & Benn brought to British boxing in the 90's has not been reached since IMO. Froch/Degale/Groves, might have talent but they're not characters!

[whiskey]

If Degale looks good against Dirrell, hopefully wins - then Carl will be interested in fighting him probably.

If he looks average and loses, then he won't be arsed about.

The better and more dangerous Degale looks, the more Froch will fancy a piece than vice versa.

[TheGman]

Would benn of entered into a super 6 style tournament with at least 3 of the best of 1993-1995 that would be toney eubank rjj and 2 middleweights coming up i.e steve collins gerald mcClellan? Ill tell u right now the answer would NO cause glass chin benn wouldnt of made it anywer near the semi finals. I used to love watchin benn but c'mon nigel you cant have a go at froch for anythin he has done in his career

[TheGman]

We're never going to know who would've won but to me, Nigel Benn is more of a boxing hero then Froch will ever be. As for Benn not fighting RJJ and Toney, I always got the feeling it was them that didn't want to know. The exicitement Eubank & Benn brought to British boxing in the 90's has not been reached since IMO. Froch/Degale/Groves, might have talent but they're not characters!

James Toney called benn and eubank out on british tv sayin he would fight them both in the same night and he would if done and beat the two of them,would of had a harder fight with eubank than benn and rjj would of smoked benns boots remember these two wer the elite fighters of the division,benn would of threw bombs till he got put to sleep but still he would of needed his pillow for either of these two

[Tuan_Jim]

James Toney and Roy Jones were extremely keen. It's hard to believe that a boxing fan in 2015 could still be ignorant of this. At one point Jones rang Benn personally to get the fight made and the Dark Destroyer told him 'I'm divorcing my wife, I'll get back to you,' and of course never did.

[stevieb_8006]

Would benn of entered into a super 6 style tournament with at least 3 of the best of 1993-1995 that would be toney eubank rjj and 2 middleweights coming up i.e steve collins gerald mcClellan? Ill tell u right now the answer would NO cause glass chin benn wouldnt of made it anywer near the semi finals. I used to love watchin benn but c'mon nigel you cant have a go at froch for anythin he has done in his career

Glass chins a bit of an exaggeration. Yes he could be tagged and shaken up, but you don't come back from the shots McClellan landed (or Barkley and Eubank for that matter) with a glass chin.

[Bard of Boxrec]

James Toney and Roy Jones were extremely keen. It's hard to believe that a boxing fan in 2015 could still be ignorant of this. At one point Jones rang Benn personally to get the fight made and the Dark Destroyer told him 'I'm divorcing my wife, I'll get back to you,' and of course never did.

Imagine how humiliating it would have been for Benn though. Jones would have absolutely mullered him and Nige must have known it deep down. Would there have been enough money on the table at any point to tempt Benn? Anyone remember any tentative negotiations?