Joshua Vs Whyte

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Horse wrote:
Maxsplit wrote:Chisora hadn't won an Olympic Gold medal and been salaried on a £250k wage for a number of years [before FCUK sponsorship] - Del Boy had to the best of my knowledge - a full time job when he was fighting Fury, Helnius & Vitali.

And Joshua will be 14-0 when he beats Cornish.

It's an unequivocally Feeble/embarrassing opponent list Joshua has vs Chisora in the same number of fights.
Who had Mike Tyson fought after 15 fights?

Time is more important than the number of fights when talking about a fighter's progression.

Joshua is moving forward at a good pace. What reason is there for him to rush to world level within the next few months?
I agree about the time thing, so isn't Whyte the perfect opponent for Joshua? Would you rather he fight Povetkin or Thompson?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:I agree about the time thing, so isn't Whyte the perfect opponent for Joshua? Would you rather he fight Povetkin or Thompson?
I'm not against Whyte or Cornish as opponents in British title fights towards winning the belt outright.

I just don't think that Whyte is an opponent that deserves to be hyped as a big step up for Joshua or anything like that. He's merely an acceptable opponent under the circumstances.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:I agree about the time thing, so isn't Whyte the perfect opponent for Joshua? Would you rather he fight Povetkin or Thompson?
I'm not against Whyte or Cornish as opponents in British title fights towards winning the belt outright.

I just don't think that Whyte is an opponent that deserves to be hyped as a big step up for Joshua or anything like that. He's merely an acceptable opponent under the circumstances.
Who's hyping him as a big step up? I haven't heard Hearn or Joshua say it's a big step up.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Who's hyping him as a big step up? I haven't heard Hearn or Joshua say it's a big step up.
Plenty of people on the forums have been saying "it's the first proper test for Joshua"or "he's the first opponent who'll come to win" etc.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Who's hyping him as a big step up? I haven't heard Hearn or Joshua say it's a big step up.
Plenty of people on the forums have been saying "it's the first proper test for Joshua"or "he's the first opponent who'll come to win" etc.
He is the first guy who will come into the ring convinced he's going to win and some of that comes from being unbeaten. He's had Joshua on the floor and will be convinced he can do it again. Do you not agree?
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It's a decent fight, domestically. I'm looking forward to it. AJ and Whyte both need to settle the score.

Yes, AJ is looking solid but I'd expect Whyte to give it a go.

At least it's not a cruiserweight moving up like most German promoters seem to make.

I'm sure mentally, Joshua really wants this fight to see where he is at.
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I don't mind it given their history and the fact that AJ, however impressive, is still fairly inexperienced as a pro. More than Joshua's previous opponents I can see why DW may be confident and actually have a go while I can also see AJ being really up for this fight to avenge the amateur loss. There were better options and I'd still prefer someone like Wach, but it's not a bad fight in my opinion (though maybe it really is and I've just lowered my expectations after seeing Cornish mentioned as a likely opponent :OhYes:).
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keithmoonhangover wrote:He is the first guy who will come into the ring convinced he's going to win and some of that comes from being unbeaten. He's had Joshua on the floor and will be convinced he can do it again. Do you not agree?
No.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:He is the first guy who will come into the ring convinced he's going to win and some of that comes from being unbeaten. He's had Joshua on the floor and will be convinced he can do it again. Do you not agree?
No.
What part of what I've said do you disagree with?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:What part of what I've said do you disagree with?
I don't assume that Whyte thinks that he will win.

He's not shown that he's an ambitious fighter so far in his career and I see no reason to give this unproven fighter the benefit of the doubt.

He might well just be showing up for the payday.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:What part of what I've said do you disagree with?
I don't assume that Whyte thinks that he will win.

He's not shown that he's an ambitious fighter so far in his career and I see no reason to give this unproven fighter the benefit of the doubt.

He might well just be showing up for the payday.
Have you met many unbeaten boxers Horse? Have you sat down and talked to them Horse?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Have you met many unbeaten boxers Horse? Have you sat down and talked to them Horse?
Horse? Horse? Horse?

Why are you starting again? Give it a rest.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Have you met many unbeaten boxers Horse? Have you sat down and talked to them Horse?
Horse? Horse? Horse?

Why are you starting again? Give it a rest.
I apologize, let me rephrase.

Have you met many unbeaten boxers? Have you sat down and talked to them?
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Have you met many unbeaten boxers Horse? Have you sat down and talked to them Horse?
Horse? Horse? Horse?

Why are you starting again? Give it a rest.
:lol:
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To the folk who are complaining about this opponent: who should he be fighting? for the level of expeience Joshua has this is a pretty fair match up on paper. He will win as he is on a different level of ability to Whyte but it is hardly a mismatch of epic proportions.
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Fuzzy Warbles wrote:
Horse wrote:Am I the only one that thinks this match up is rubbish?

Whyte has done bugger all as a pro. Why does this no mark get so much hype?
No I think it's 'rubbish' too Horse, I also agree that 'Whyte has done bugger all' and he get's 'so much hype' because of the amateur win over Joshua.

Easy win for Joshua now, two round max I reckon.
Whyte has done bugger all

Just like Joshua.

They are both relative novices being moved gradually along a relatively risk free path.

What makes this a decent match up is that Whyte is probably sognificantly better than anyone Joshua has faced so far.
So regardless of how well tested Whyte has been or who he's been in with he is still a better test for AJ than he's had to date.

Plus it's got the added spice of having history and rivalry.
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davie wrote:Whyte has done bugger all

Just like Joshua.

They are both relative novices being moved gradually along a relatively risk free path.

What makes this a decent match up is that Whyte is probably sognificantly better than anyone Joshua has faced so far.
So regardless of how well tested Whyte has been or who he's been in with he is still a better test for AJ than he's had to date.

Plus it's got the added spice of having history and rivalry.
Joshua's record is much, much better than Whyte's. Joshua has done more than bugger all as a pro.

Whyte has not shown that he is probably better than anyone that Joshua has faced so far. There's a good chance that a few of Joshua's opponents could have beaten him.
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Horse wrote:
davie wrote:Whyte has done bugger all

Just like Joshua.

They are both relative novices being moved gradually along a relatively risk free path.

What makes this a decent match up is that Whyte is probably sognificantly better than anyone Joshua has faced so far.
So regardless of how well tested Whyte has been or who he's been in with he is still a better test for AJ than he's had to date.

Plus it's got the added spice of having history and rivalry.
Joshua's record is much, much better than Whyte's. Joshua has done more than bugger all as a pro.

Whyte has not shown that he is probably better than anyone that Joshua has faced so far. There's a good chance that a few of Joshua's opponents could have beaten him.
Horse, have you met many unbeaten boxers? Have you sat down and talked to them?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Horse, have you met many unbeaten boxers? Have you sat down and talked to them?
What the hell are you on about?

Stop being such a prat.
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Horse, have you met many unbeaten boxers? Have you sat down and talked to them?
What the hell are you on about?

Stop being such a prat.
Calm down, I'm just asking you a question. Which you're avoiding.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Calm down, I'm just asking you a question. Which you're avoiding.
:zzz:
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Horse wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Calm down, I'm just asking you a question. Which you're avoiding.
:zzz:
This is a boxing forum, a place for us to discuss boxing. I asked you a simple question and all you can manage is :zzz: .

I'll answer it for you, you haven't sat down and talked to many unbeaten boxers, so you wouldn't have the first clue about how they feel. I've interviewed and chatted to my fair share of unbeaten fighters and not a single one of them thought they were going to lose their next fight.
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davie wrote:
Whyte has done bugger all

Just like Joshua.
Joshua has beaten Airich, Bahktov and Johnson these are far better opponents than the various Turks and Latvians that make up Whytes opponents.

Whytes 'best' win is over a 43 year old, 3 years inactive Mike Holden :lol:
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keithmoonhangover wrote:This is a boxing forum, a place for us to discuss boxing. I asked you a simple question and all you can manage is :zzz: .

I'll answer it for you, you haven't sat down and talked to many unbeaten boxers, so you wouldn't have the first clue about how they feel. I've interviewed and chatted to my fair share of unbeaten fighters and not a single one of them thought they were going to lose their next fight.
I don't care about your little chats with boxers. Being unbeaten doesn't impress me.

Whyte is unbeaten against a poor bunch. He's not unbeatable and I doubt that he thinks he is either.
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Fuzzy Warbles wrote:
davie wrote:
Whyte has done bugger all

Just like Joshua.
Joshua has beaten Airich, Bahktov and Johnson these are far better opponents than the various Turks and Latvians that make up Whytes opponents.

Whytes 'best' win is over a 43 year old, 3 years inactive Mike Holden :lol:

Ok. Joshua has done a slightly higher level of bugger all.

I'm one of the first to defend Joshuas rate of progression on here (because I don't think there's any need to rush him) but lets be honest, Joshua hasn't taken on anyone of note.
I'd back whyte to deal with Airich, Bahktov and Johnson.
Perhaps not as impressively as AJ did.

Whyte will be Joshuas best opponent, again he brings something new to the table in an unbeaten record, a bit of ambition and a rivalry.
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