Jerry Quarry vrs. Buster Mathis/ March.29.1969/ MSG

[klompton]

Perhaps
Perhaps
Maybe
What if

If you are so convinced then go find it and prove me. At least while you are on your wild goose chase you will have less time to be rambling on here.

[Caractacus]

Read this newspaper article from February 1968.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ni ... 4148&hl=en

[klompton]

Ive already layed out the case for this numerous times to you. Youve never once come up with a plausible explanation for how this film might exist. You simply want to believe it does. I find it humerous that you want to believe in something so bad as to ignore everything Ive told you in previous posts about why this film doesnt exist, which is fairly comprehensive. Yet you choose to believe that a film that numerous people have told you they have and have seen, myself included (and anyone who thinks I lie about what I have can simply go back through my posts and see that I can back up what I say) cant possibly exist. Its all about what you WANT to believe.

[klompton]

Read this newspaper article from February 1968.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ni ... 4148&hl=en

Weve been through this before. You simply dont understand the differences in the technology used to accomplish to very different tasks. Believe what you want I dont care. Id love to be proved wrong but you arent going to do it so why waste my time on you.

[Caractacus]

Read this newspaper article from February 1968.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ni ... 4148&hl=en

Weve been through this before. You simply dont understand the differences in the technology used to accomplish to very different tasks. Believe what you want I dont care. Id love to be proved wrong but you arent going to do it so why waste my time on you.

Seems to me if Joey Fariello could video-tape Buster Mathis training
in 1968,he could also use it to record something off his own television set.

[klompton]

Read this newspaper article from February 1968.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ni ... 4148&hl=en

Weve been through this before. You simply dont understand the differences in the technology used to accomplish to very different tasks. Believe what you want I dont care. Id love to be proved wrong but you arent going to do it so why waste my time on you.

Seems to me if Joey Fariello could video-tape Buster Mathis training
in 1968,he could also use it to record something off his own television set.

Exactly, and you arent the sharpest knife in the drawer so do us all a favor and leave the thinking to others.

[Giancarlo]

Seems to me if Joey Fariello could video-tape Buster Mathis training
in 1968,he could also use it to record something off his own television set.

Exactly, and you arent the sharpest knife in the drawer so do us all a favor and leave the thinking to others.

[Caractacus]

So the technology didnt just exist for the "little people"to home tape-recording off of the BBC back then huh?
then check out the audio at this link.
(clink on the little icon on the lower left corner of Neil Armstrong walking on the Moon July-21-1969).

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19455602

[klompton]

Is something wrong with you? Do have comprehension problems? Im serious, because Ive already addressed this in a previous post on this thread. First of all: Ive already discussed the extreme rarity of a reel to reel video recorder from those days. Few people had them and those that did could only record short snippets of video reel to reel (not off of a tv) and they were in black in white and that this early they would have been found only in Europe and unlikely in the hands of private individuals. That being said: The idiot who claimed for years to have a recording of this fight said it was complete, in color, and featured Don Dunphy. So no dice. However, you are even more stupid because Phillip Longden's recording is actually only an audio recording. He took an audio recording using a tape deck from the television. This should be apparent to even the most moronic individuals (which again leaves me wondering how stupid you must be) when his mother can be heard at the beginning introducing the content. How many people do you know who had live voiceover of their dubbed TV programs? Furthermore, no home video recording device at this time could record the 18 minutes that encompasses Phillip Longden's audio recording. So, back to the drawing boards for you again dipshit:

https://books.google.com/books?id=dfO7B ... ng&f=false

And just for the record, even if someone had recorded a 3 minute snippet of the moon landings in London in 1969 it doesnt prove that ANYONE now has a recording of Quarry-Mathis.

[Caractacus]

"Rare" and "non-Exisitant are two different things dude.
BTW Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I believe I mentioned in the previous post that the found BBC tape was an audio recording.
BTW It doesnt disprove that no one doesnt have a audio-tape recording of the fight either.
But you know even a audio-recording of Quarry vrs Mathis would be of some boxing historical interest,dont you think?

[Caractacus]

here is a page on the history of the video recorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_tape_recorder

[klompton]

Broken record. Im done with you moron. Keep posting asinine shit that makes you look stupid and proves you dont know what you are talking about.

[Caractacus]

Have you ever seen that movie AUTO FOCUS
about Bob Crane aka Col. Hogan"?
he used video equipment with the help of some guy from Sony.
Im not sure when they first did it,but I think it was when HOGAN'S HEROES was
still on Network TV.
Its possible they could have also video-taped some boxing shows I guess.

[klompton]

Have you ever seen that movie AUTO FOCUS
about Bob Crane aka Col. Hogan"?
he used video equipment with the help of some guy from Sony.
Im not sure when they first did it,but I think it was when HOGAN'S HEROES was
still on Network TV.
Its possible they could have also video-taped some boxing shows I guess.

Again: maybe, could have, what if. I deal in facts not supposition. If you want to contact the family of long dead bob crane or his sony friend/murderer and ask them if maybe he was a boxing fan and maybe he recorded quarry mathis using experimental equipment and maybe it survived through today... Be my guest. You sound like fornicating moron though trying to create conspiracy theories about how something might possibly have survived that there is no evidence of. Its like the nuts who want to pretend maybe, possibly, somehow dinosaurs survived until now in some deep dark corner of the world... Those people are either really stupid or nuts. Which one are you.

[klompton]

BTW Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I believe I mentioned in the previous post that the found BBC tape was an audio recording.
BTW It doesnt disprove that no one doesnt have a audio-tape recording of the fight either.
But you know even a audio-recording of Quarry vrs Mathis would be of some boxing historical interest,dont you think?

Nice try at covering your ignorance but no dice. I was specifically talking about video tape and you know it in answer to that you said:

So the technology didnt just exist for the "little people"to home tape-recording off of the BBC back then huh?
then check out the audio at this link.
(clink on the little icon on the lower left corner of Neil Armstrong walking on the Moon July-21-1969).

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19455602

You clearly thought this was a video tape and its not. In a discussion about filmed footage, video or otherwise, what bearing does a non-existent audio recording of Quarry-Mathis have on the discussion? This entire discussion started as an outshoot of several threads I posted on rebutting the idea that this film had survived, which was put out there by Kark Hegman, who said he owned a copy. He described it in detail to me and his story simply doesnt jive with reality. I researched this film up and down and there is simply no way it could exist in the form in which he said he owned it. There is absolutely no evidence that it ever existed in any other form from any other broadcast (which is what you are trying to fantasize here). So this bullshit about you refuting my statement that it couldnt have been recorded in the form in which it supposedly existed by posted a link to an audio tape recording was clearly you being misinformed and thinking that some kid in 1969 had a video tape recorder and taped the lunar landing. Especially given your comment: "so the technology didnt exist..." Clearly a reference to me saying that the technology didnt exist for the average person at the time in the united states to record that fight in color for any more than a few minutes and then preserve it for any amount of time. I stand by that. Even your dumbass comments about Bob Crane show a stunning lack of understanding of technology. We are discussing a film of a fight. You want to believe that somebody COULD have recorded a film of the fight off of tv. Thats a video recorder. Bob Crane was into video camera's for the purpose of filming his own personal pornography. Essentially he was a shutterbug. You just dont understand the difference between the uses of an early video camera and an early video recorder and the limitations of each. The odds of some average individual out there having an early vcr from europe in 1969 and filming the Quarry-Mathis fight and it surviving until today are simply astronomical. Those early video cameras designed for home use cost 10s of 1000s of dollars. The early video recorders cost several thousand. While film itself was still relatively inexpensive. The vast vast vast vast majority of people relied on film into the early 1980s, well over ten years after what you are talking about. Based on all of this and what I know about the original commercial recording of this fight and I can state with a high level of confidence that you can wish in one hand and shit in the other see which one fills up first.

[Caractacus]

I never said it was a "Video-tape" of the BBC moon landing found in 2012.
Gets your facts straight mate.
I just insinuated someone may have recorded Quarry vrs Mathis on a tape-recorder which would be better then nothing.

[klompton]

Whatever idiot. You specifically referenced my comment on video recording equipment.

[Caractacus]

Whatever idiot. You specifically referenced my comment on video recording equipment.

No I dont believe I did(although I could be wrong).
Bump it up please so We can know what you are referring to.

[Caractacus]

Okay you are probably right about the Bugner vrs London fight recorded via kinescope.
So what are the chances that Quarry vrs Mathis was also preserved on kinescope?
Perhaps that was done and copies sent to various U.S military bases across the world.
For our fighting men to watch.

[Caractacus]

First of all: Ive already discussed the extreme rarity of a reel to reel video recorder from those days. Few people had them and those that did could only record short snippets of video reel to reel (not off of a tv) and they were in black in white and that this early they would have been found only in Europe and unlikely in the hands of private individuals. That being said: The idiot who claimed for years to have a recording of this fight said it was complete, in color, and featured Don Dunphy. So no dice.

So how do you know for sure that this so called 'idiot" who claimed to have a complete recording of this fight(Quarry vrs Mathis)in colour,
didnt have it on kinescope like the Bugner vrs London fight of 1970?
BTW Is this so called "idiot" still around selling boxing tapes?

[sonnyboyx2]

hey Klompton,maybe u explained it in another thread.
But how do you figure that the earlier Buster Mathis vs George Chuvalo bout
February.3.1969 Madison Square Garden.
still exists on video-tape?
Since it would appeared to have been also broadcast on Television Sports,Inc. too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtG6fSpy9w

The Quarry vs Mathis fight was "Taped Over" by officials at MSG

[knockouts67]

No one knows what happened to that film. All did not survive the time. I have been a collector for 35 years and never came across it ---I have many rear fights which did survive---including tons of film transfers from all eras----there is no answer---tons of broadcasts have not turned up---would love a copy---I love it all and have tons of fights including color clips of marciano vs Charles and Moore-----I have been extensively looking for more and trading until recently when a few years ago my friend Anthony Fosco passed on and I shut it down for a while as his passing was sad and it seemed less important. He was one the great film collectors and he never found a copy!

[evrenb]

The only chance I see that this fight survives is if one of the major international broadcasting stations were sent a copy to broadcast in their respective countries. That they didn't delete the film/tape. I believe the existence of the film in the USA has been proven as a negative.

[Caractacus]

Talk about rare-Check this out,it appears to be 16 mm film of a video-tape of a local television broadcast
of Jerry Quarry vrs Argentinian Heavyweight Alex Miteff live from the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles California April-27-1967.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jEfA2LV5FU

[evrenb]

Talk about rare-Check this out,it appears to be 16 mm film of a video-tape of a local television broadcast
of Jerry Quarry vrs Argentinian Heavyweight Alex Miteff live from the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles California April-27-1967.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jEfA2LV5FU

I got this tape about 12 years ago.. Jerry looked good.