Please give what you think is the #1 boxer ever points in the most important categorys!!!

[CrazyHorse]

Ali

power 6.5
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

ali was athletic, but compared to roy, who is a 10, ali was a 8,5-9. i mean 10 is the highest, muhammad ali aint as athletic as jones jr, so no 10

speed 10, hell no, maybe 9-9,5, but ali wasnt no prime medlrick taylor or prime jones in speed.

condition....hell no...look at foremon fight how exhausted he was...

Gotta remember Ali was a heavyweight. You can't expect a damn heavyweight to be as fast as a featherweight. Many fighters have stated ali moved and thew like a ww but in a hw body

[CrazyHorse]

speedwise very fast at his prime, but no 10, 10 is the fastest, like prime roy, floyd was a 9,5. look at the judah mayweather fight, even judah was faster than floyd and judah aint faster than prime roy

power, like an 8 and the rest is pretty acurate.

Floyd wasn't in his prime in the judah fight. Look back at his fights 130-135. Those were his best years. You sure like Roy eh? How was Roys athleticism , speed in the Tarver II fight since you like bringing up past prime examples of other fighters?

[Chepppaaa]

SRR
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

Henry Armstrong
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

SRL
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10


And you got people talking about Floyd

this is one of the most ridicoulus posts i have ever seen. you give an a guy like henry armstrong who was like an 7 athleticly, compared to freak athletes like prime jones or prime mosley and you give henry a 10

footwork for the often robotic moving henry a 10

reflexes and speed a 10....compared like mayweather henry had like an 7-8

YOU GUYS GIVE 10 LIKE 10 WAS SOMETHING GOOD; NO IT AINT; 10 IS PERFECT; YOU DONT GIVE 10 JUST LIKE THAT

julian jackson is a 10 powerwise, thomas hearns is compared to julian jackson like a 9,8 and you wanna give leonard 10, are you out of your mind?

[Chepppaaa]

speedwise very fast at his prime, but no 10, 10 is the fastest, like prime roy, floyd was a 9,5. look at the judah mayweather fight, even judah was faster than floyd and judah aint faster than prime roy

power, like an 8 and the rest is pretty acurate.

Floyd wasn't in his prime in the judah fight. Look back at his fights 130-135. Those were his best years. You sure like Roy eh? How was Roys athleticism , speed in the Tarver II fight since you like bringing up past prime examples of other fighters?

okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

[CrazyHorse]

okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

I agree though that 9 is too high. me personally I'd say 7.5 maybe 8 at the highest

[Chepppaaa]

Ali

power 6.5
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

ali was athletic, but compared to roy, who is a 10, ali was a 8,5-9. i mean 10 is the highest, muhammad ali aint as athletic as jones jr, so no 10

speed 10, hell no, maybe 9-9,5, but ali wasnt no prime medlrick taylor or prime jones in speed.

condition....hell no...look at foremon fight how exhausted he was...

Gotta remember Ali was a heavyweight. You can't expect a damn heavyweight to be as fast as a featherweight. Many fighters have stated ali moved and thew like a ww but in a hw body

i dont care that ali was heavyweight, if he aint as fast as a featherweight than he simply aint no 10, that simple. also it is called p4p, you got heavyweight like prime tyson who were faster than most featherweighs. p4p ali was very fast, but not a 10 like taylor or roy.

[keithmoonhangover]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

Please explain the 9/10 power. If Earnie Shavers was 10/10. How in the blue hell is Floyd 9?

[Chepppaaa]

i will show you guys what a 10 is in each area, just you can learn something, okay. in the future you wont give 10 away just like that

power 10 julian jackson, that guy is the standard in terms of punching power
speed 10 prime roy jones, easy answer
ring IQ 10 prime floyd mayweather
reflexes 10 tie for me, prime roy, prime floyd
chin 10 tough one, tua, hagler come to my mind
condition 10 pacquiao, no doubt in my mind, the best conditioned boxer ever was prime pacquiao, he had super high energy and punch output from first to last round, a hurricane
footwork 10 sugar ray robinson, fast footspeed, very fluid in his movemant, smooth, best footwork ever
athleticsm 10 prime roy jones, again easy

[Boxing Writer]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

Oh yeah, and Mallignaggi's power is 8 then, right?

[Chepppaaa]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

Oh yeah, and Mallignaggi's power is 8 then, right?

i mean kbb realy makes some sense, at lower weights floyd had good solid power

[KBB]

okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

I agree though that 9 is too high. me personally I'd say 7.5 maybe 8 at the highest

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Floyd stopped all of his best competition and totally took the bigger, taller and longer/stronger Corrales off his feet 5 times in a fight where Diego had never been knocked down. Manfredy had faced bigger punchers who were unable to stop him and Floyd took him out in 2 rounds, I believe Mayweather's KO rating at that time was upwards of 80% or so.

Like I said, I don't really have to justify myself to anyone on this, maybe your idea of him being prime is misplaced, at 130 Floyd was in his prime, once he moved up he got slower and was out of his prime.

[CrazyHorse]

okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

I agree though that 9 is too high. me personally I'd say 7.5 maybe 8 at the highest

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Floyd stopped all of his best competition and totally took the bigger, taller and longer/stronger Corrales off his feet 5 times in a fight where Diego had never been knocked down. Manfredy had faced bigger punchers who were unable to stop him and Floyd took him out in 2 rounds, I believe Mayweather's KO rating at that time was upwards of 80% or so.

Like I said, I don't really have to justify myself to anyone on this, maybe your idea of him being prime is misplaced, at 130 Floyd was in his prime, once he moved up he got slower and was out of his prime.

Why do you keep referring those comments to me when I'm not even the one criticizing your post.

[Chepppaaa]

i will show you guys what a 10 is in each area, just you can learn something, okay. in the future you wont give 10 away just like that

power 10 julian jackson, that guy is the standard in terms of punching power
speed 10 prime roy jones, easy answer
ring IQ 10 prime floyd mayweather
reflexes 10 tie for me, prime roy, prime floyd
chin 10 tough one, tua, hagler come to my mind
condition 10 pacquiao, no doubt in my mind, the best conditioned boxer ever was prime pacquiao, he had super high energy and punch output from first to last round, a hurricane
footwork 10 sugar ray robinson, fast footspeed, very fluid in his movemant, smooth, best footwork ever
athleticsm 10 prime roy jones, again easy

[jezzamundo]

I will make a proper reply to this post, but firstly, I'd like to go on record as saying that I don't like the criteria, which I believe place too high an emphasis on raw physical ability and too little emphasis on boxing skills. Not having a criteria for defense, I think is the greatest failing.

Based on the given criteria, I think the most complete boxer ever was Sugar Ray Robinson, who I would rate as such:

Sugar Ray Robinson
power 8.5
speed 10
ring IQ 9
reflexes 9.5
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

[brilo33]

floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.

[brilo33]

floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 70 out of 80.

[jezzamundo]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

[jezzamundo]

floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.

Giving Floyd a 8 for reflexes and especially a 7 for chin is extremely harsh!

[brilo33]

floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.

Giving Floyd a 8 for reflexes and especially a 7 for chin is extremely harsh!

the man gets hit, but he knows how to roll a punch, takes the power out of it. i think 7 for his chin shows just how good i rate his defensive . which aint there.which would be 10. and also accuracy 10 the man does not waste energy

[KBB]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

What other great fighters were at 10 when Floyd was there? If you are referring to Casamayor and Freitas, how great did either guy really become?? Floyd beat Corrales and Manfredy who were without a doubt arguably two of the top dogs and he stopped both of them.

I don't have to say how great Floyd is, his peers (other Great Boxers will tell you for themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIveHhykNC8

[jezzamundo]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

What other great fighters were at 10 when Floyd was there? If you are referring to Casamayor and Freitas, how great did either guy really become?? Floyd beat Corrales and Manfredy who were without a doubt arguably two of the top dogs and he stopped both of them.

I don't have to say how great Floyd is, his peers (other Great Boxers will tell you for themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIveHhykNC8

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

[KBB]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

I wasn't blaming you for anything, just asking a question. Honestly Corrales was an A+ level fighter at that time, he was undefeated had all KO's much in the same way Tommy Hearns was when he fought Leonard, and both he and Floyd had beaten nearly everyone with the exception of Casamayor and Freitas and most of both guys wins were by stoppage.

If that isn't A+ enough for you then I don't know what is. Ray Leonard wasn't considered great until he beat Hearns and Duran, Floyd had already beaten two of the best in his division but because namesake means something different in this era as opposed to past eras people tend to water down the accomplishments of fighters today.

I really hate comparing eras of fighters because all it does is discredits any fighters of today, the reason being is that back in the day those fighters had to fight more often because of the low wages they made so it was relatively easy to run a record up into the 100s of fights.

When we mention Duran, SRL, Ali and the likes we cannot even begin to try and mention anyone from the present eras because people give far too much credence to the names of the past, they make it sound as though every fighter from back then beat all A+ fighters and that just isn't true.

Why can't fighters just be measured by the eras they were in? With the exception of a few great names in each division in each era basically every era is loaded with more journeymen, contenders and B level fighters moreso than there were Elites/A+ fighters with only a few of them facing one another and even fewer winning vs they're greatest competition which is no different than today's era fighters.

[IKSRTFO]

for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

What other great fighters were at 10 when Floyd was there? If you are referring to Casamayor and Freitas, how great did either guy really become?? Floyd beat Corrales and Manfredy who were without a doubt arguably two of the top dogs and he stopped both of them.

I don't have to say how great Floyd is, his peers (other Great Boxers will tell you for themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIveHhykNC8

Steve Johnston

[IKSRTFO]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

I wasn't blaming you for anything, just asking a question. Honestly Corrales was an A+ level fighter at that time, he was undefeated had all KO's much in the same way Tommy Hearns was when he fought Leonard, and both he and Floyd had beaten nearly everyone with the exception of Casamayor and Freitas and most of both guys wins were by stoppage.

If that isn't A+ enough for you then I don't know what is. Ray Leonard wasn't considered great until he beat Hearns and Duran, Floyd had already beaten two of the best in his division but because namesake means something different in this era as opposed to past eras people tend to water down the accomplishments of fighters today.

I really hate comparing eras of fighters because all it does is discredits any fighters of today, the reason being is that back in the day those fighters had to fight more often because of the low wages they made so it was relatively easy to run a record up into the 100s of fights.

When we mention Duran, SRL, Ali and the likes we cannot even begin to try and mention anyone from the present eras because people give far too much credence to the names of the past, they make it sound as though every fighter from back then beat all A+ fighters and that just isn't true.

Why can't fighters just be measured by the eras they were in? With the exception of a few great names in each division in each era basically every era is loaded with more journeymen, contenders and B level fighters moreso than there were Elites/A+ fighters with only a few of them facing one another and even fewer winning vs they're greatest competition which is no different than today's era fighters.

Comparing Corrales to Hearns is retarted in his self. Corrales was never that good nor fought the competiton Hearns did even at 130.

[jezzamundo]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

I wasn't blaming you for anything, just asking a question. Honestly Corrales was an A+ level fighter at that time, he was undefeated had all KO's much in the same way Tommy Hearns was when he fought Leonard, and both he and Floyd had beaten nearly everyone with the exception of Casamayor and Freitas and most of both guys wins were by stoppage.

If that isn't A+ enough for you then I don't know what is. Ray Leonard wasn't considered great until he beat Hearns and Duran, Floyd had already beaten two of the best in his division but because namesake means something different in this era as opposed to past eras people tend to water down the accomplishments of fighters today.

I really hate comparing eras of fighters because all it does is discredits any fighters of today, the reason being is that back in the day those fighters had to fight more often because of the low wages they made so it was relatively easy to run a record up into the 100s of fights.

When we mention Duran, SRL, Ali and the likes we cannot even begin to try and mention anyone from the present eras because people give far too much credence to the names of the past, they make it sound as though every fighter from back then beat all A+ fighters and that just isn't true.

Why can't fighters just be measured by the eras they were in? With the exception of a few great names in each division in each era basically every era is loaded with more journeymen, contenders and B level fighters moreso than there were Elites/A+ fighters with only a few of them facing one another and even fewer winning vs they're greatest competition which is no different than today's era fighters.

Never suggested you were blaming me for anything, I think we've misunderstood each other a bit

I think it's important to look at what a fighter does after a fight as well as before, when deciding how great a win it was. Diego Corrales was the favourite going in against Floyd, he was considered the #1 in the division, was undefeated and a KO puncher. However, watching his performance against Floyd (an actual A+ fighter), it became clear that Corrales was overrated. He was a world champion, but not a great fighter (RIP). What's impressive is how easily Floyd dismantled him - Floyd gave an A+ performance, but the gulf in ability means it is always going to pale in comparision to fights between two true greats in their primes.

I'm not impressed by records that run into the 100s. I rate SRL higher than Floyd (both as a welterweight and p4p) and he had less fights. Why? Because SRL's best wins impress me a lot more than Floyd's and having watched both extensively, I'm confident that SRL would handily beat Floyd in a fight at welterweight (which I know isn't an entirely fair comparison seeing as SRL was a natural welter and Floyd was not, although with day-before weigh-ins the gap is somewhat closed).

Modern fighters are disadvantaged in comparisons with greats from the past partly because they don't fight as often, but mostly because the top guys fight each other less often, especially when both fighters are in their prime. In the case of the heavyweight division, the standard (Klitschkos aside) has dropped off a cliff and you have guys ranked in the top 5 who would have been journeymen in eras past. You only need to watch them fight to know this is true.