Pacquaio vs Crawford: Bob Arum in a nutshell

[koolkc107]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

I have never wasted a second thinking about GGG vs Floyd because it's the most far fetched fight you could imagine. Why even waste time? Floyd in his prime would never take the fight with this monster so why would i think he'd take the fight at 40? GGG's the P4P #1 right now and anyone that still have Floyd at the top of that imaginary list is an idiot.

GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever. So you and KBB can continue with your GGG stinks campaign because you both know the truth. GGG's surpassed your boy.

As long as GGG keeps making the same excuses NOT to fight certain guys that others make not to fight him, I think that "baddest man on the planet" title is pretty safe- and vacant- right now.

A career welterweight has no reason to consider fighting a career middleweight unless it is clear that an actual fight can happen.

And since one of them has yet to show that he can even physically make the weight needed to realistically make the fight happen, the question is moot.

As far as what boxing has seen and hasn't seen, I beg to differ.

GGG is good, perhaps great.

He is also a 33 year old fighter, over 9 years into his career, who has yet to fight ANYONE approaching the elite status he is thought to be at.

That's a red flag until he finally fights and beats someone special.

[Badhusker]

GGG should take on someone at 154 to see how he does. Lara has been calling him out for a couple of years now, and has even said he would fight at 160. He is a bigger name than most of GGG's opponents. For some reason they won't take the fight with Lara.

GGG is a great talent, no question. Whether he makes it to the top pfp is debatable because of his opponents. By the time that resume is built up he may be declining due to age. I think he should fight someone like Lara instead of complaining no one with a "name" will fight him. Maybe Abel Sanchez is nurturing and protecting him?

[caldo2025]

The Floyd Girls will never give GGG any credit. They will continue to point at his resume when it's common knowledge that he's been the most avoided boxer in 40 years of the sport. They they will say something ridiculous like "until he goes down to 154 or up to 168 and fights someone....blah blah". He's a 160 pounder with a goal to unify the Middleweight Championship so why the heck would he move up or down before achieving that goal?

I can't remember a Middleweight Boxer destroying everyone in his path like GGG has. Look what he did to Martin Murray, a guy that has never been knocked down in 30 fights. Of course, Floyd Girls will come up with some way to knock Murray.

David Lemieux is the toughest fight out there at 160 lbs so anyone complaining about GGG's opposition in this one, isn't worth talking to because they just don't know boxing.

[Badhusker]

Wasn't Lemieux ko'd by a guy that was easily ko'd by GGG? Toughest test?

I think Lara would test him more, and is a bigger name.

[koolkc107]

Wasn't Lemieux ko'd by a guy that was easily ko'd by GGG? Toughest test?

I think Lara would test him more, and is a bigger name.

LMAO!!!!!!

Dude is patting GGG on the gloots for fighting another B-level, while conveniently ignoring GGG's turtling act whenever someone in the "154 to 175" range he himself marked out as fair game tries to call him on his bullcrap.

Yes, he should have fought Lara, has now had several chances to make that happen.
Yes, he should go up and take on Ward or Groves or DeGale or Dirrell who all to a man would be overjoyed to welcome him to 168.
Yes, he should go down to 154 to eliminate any excuse (legit or imagined) that Mayweather, and Pac and Cotto and any other A-side guy at welter or jr middle might be able to invoke when asked about a GGG fight.

This is on GGG, not those A-siders.

You can't be the most avoided guy in boxing when you yourself are avoiding fights with elite guys.

[KBB]

No idea who Ricky is but if he's another guy that hands KBB his lunch regularly on this site then sure, call us the same people if that helps you. You are mixing up the equation now. The whole point was that Bob Arum was using Manny to build up Crawford's name. You two Jamokes can't get into a neutral conversation without plugging your lover's name into it. Who the heck is saying anything about Floyd? You two can't have a discussion without mentioning Floyd and his dancing skills? I bet you call out Floyd's name in bed by accident. Be honest, it's happened before and causes problems with you and your girls? I bet it happens in your regular daily life too.

"Hi KBB, how was your weekend?"
"Floyd's the best, Manny didn't want to take the test!"
"Ok, umm...did you have fun this weekend?"
"Floyd has 37 cars"
"Ok...and who's Floyd"
"Oh, only the best person in the whole wide world".
"Ok, take care KBB"
"TBE"
"Yup, OK, take care KBB"

Any man who makes that much reference for one man supposedly being a lover and in bed with another man can only mean that you have this obsession and sleep with men on a regular.

When you point the finger at someone there is always more pointing back at you, stop putting your sick male on male fantasies out there, you are exposing yourself.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

I have never wasted a second thinking about GGG vs Floyd because it's the most far fetched fight you could imagine. Why even waste time? Floyd in his prime would never take the fight with this monster so why would i think he'd take the fight at 40? GGG's the P4P #1 right now and anyone that still have Floyd at the top of that imaginary list is an idiot.

GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever. So you and KBB can continue with your GGG stinks campaign because you both know the truth. GGG's surpassed your boy.

How can he be P4P#1 when he hasn't even beaten a single elite level fighter yet? That's ridiculous.

[Ricky_]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

I have never wasted a second thinking about GGG vs Floyd because it's the most far fetched fight you could imagine. Why even waste time? Floyd in his prime would never take the fight with this monster so why would i think he'd take the fight at 40? GGG's the P4P #1 right now and anyone that still have Floyd at the top of that imaginary list is an idiot.

GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever. So you and KBB can continue with your GGG stinks campaign because you both know the truth. GGG's surpassed your boy.

How can he be P4P#1 when he hasn't even beaten a single elite level fighter yet? That's ridiculous.

Because he's clearly the best fighter in the sport by a distance. Been obvious for about 3 years i guess some are just slower on the uptake than others.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes, but it's easy to appear to be so good when you've not had been fully tested by a top level fighter.

[caldo2025]

Wasn't Lemieux ko'd by a guy that was easily ko'd by GGG? Toughest test?

I think Lara would test him more, and is a bigger name.

KBB and Badhusker, I know that you guys love boxers that run in the ring and avoid confrontation so that Lara is the heir apparent to your mancrush but no one wants to see Lara fight anyone. Lara is hardly an elite fighter so i'm sure you two could come up with something a little better than that.

[johnswan1]

Because he's clearly the best fighter in the sport by a distance. Been obvious for about 3 years i guess some are just slower on the uptake than others.

Didn't you say something similar about Tye Fields?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think Caldo, you are the one with the mancrush, you seem obsessive over GGG. Sure, he's a good fighter, entertaining to watch, but your assessment of him is pretty ridiculous - I mean really, 'perhaps the best ever' based on what ?- he's hardly beaten anyone of note, and until he does, making statements like that just makes you look ridiculous.

Fact is, he's not that young, and he might not at this rate ever beat anyone significant before age sets in and he begins to decline.

[johnswan1]

Agree re GGG.

He looks amazing and has been completely dominant with his wins. It's a real shame he arrived on the scene at such an advanced age (I know he's just 33 but he probably only has a year or two left in his physical prime) and that he has had no credible opponents willing to fight him. He was unlucky to come at a time post Bhop and post Martinez where he was unable to prove himself against a fellow P4P player. Cotto will never fight him, although Canelo might and that could be a mega fight if he can beat Cotto in impressive fashion. Unless he steps up to SM and takes on the best at that weight he runs the risk of forever being remembered as a "what if" type character who was never truly tested in his prime.

[caldo2025]

I think Caldo, you are the one with the mancrush, you seem obsessive over GGG. Sure, he's a good fighter, entertaining to watch, but your assessment of him is pretty ridiculous - I mean really, 'perhaps the best ever' based on what ?- he's hardly beaten anyone of note, and until he does, making statements like that just makes you look ridiculous.

Fact is, he's not that young, and he might not at this rate ever beat anyone significant before age sets in and he begins to decline.

"perhaps the best ever"? Were those supposed to be my words jackass? I'm sorry to have to take that insult out of my pocket and throw it at you yet again Jimmy Irish but it's the third time that you've gone out of your way to look like a jackass by making stuff up about me. I do not think GGG is perhaps the best ever. However, I've never witnessed this type of domination in the Middleweight Division in all of my years of watching boxing.

We haven't seen this type of power and destruction since Mike Tyson's early 20's and you could argue that doing it at Middleweight is even more impressive. He's knocking out world class fighters left and right. You all want to blow Cotto for knocking out Geale but when GGG does it, it's not good enough. Martin Murray, a solid world class boxer who arguably should have been champion of the world for beating Sergio, took the beating of his life at the hands of GGG. If Sergio was a HOF'er and barely scraped by Martin, why does GGG get no credit for showing that he's 10 times the boxer Murray was? It's chumps like you that keep knocking the guy and say he's fighting nobodies.

Fact- Today, 8/24/15, GGG is the best fighter in the world. I don't care how old he is. He's the best and most dominant fighter in the world.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

I have never wasted a second thinking about GGG vs Floyd because it's the most far fetched fight you could imagine. Why even waste time? Floyd in his prime would never take the fight with this monster so why would i think he'd take the fight at 40? GGG's the P4P #1 right now and anyone that still have Floyd at the top of that imaginary list is an idiot.

GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever. So you and KBB can continue with your GGG stinks campaign because you both know the truth. GGG's surpassed your boy.

Right, now who looks like a jackass....?

[Counter-puncher]

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GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

[jamesmcdonnell]

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GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

Precisely, GGG is probably the biggest talent in the entire history of the sport.............apparently.

This despite not having faced a single elite level fighter as a professional, greater talent than Armstrong, Robinson, Pepp, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Monzon.....etc etc etc.

Too hilarious for words.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think Caldo, you are the one with the mancrush, you seem obsessive over GGG. Sure, he's a good fighter, entertaining to watch, but your assessment of him is pretty ridiculous - I mean really, 'perhaps the best ever' based on what ?- he's hardly beaten anyone of note, and until he does, making statements like that just makes you look ridiculous.

Fact is, he's not that young, and he might not at this rate ever beat anyone significant before age sets in and he begins to decline.

"perhaps the best ever"? Were those supposed to be my words jackass? I'm sorry to have to take that insult out of my pocket and throw it at you yet again Jimmy Irish but it's the third time that you've gone out of your way to look like a jackass by making stuff up about me. I do not think GGG is perhaps the best ever. However, I've never witnessed this type of domination in the Middleweight Division in all of my years of watching boxing.

We haven't seen this type of power and destruction since Mike Tyson's early 20's and you could argue that doing it at Middleweight is even more impressive. He's knocking out world class fighters left and right. You all want to blow Cotto for knocking out Geale but when GGG does it, it's not good enough. Martin Murray, a solid world class boxer who arguably should have been champion of the world for beating Sergio, took the beating of his life at the hands of GGG. If Sergio was a HOF'er and barely scraped by Martin, why does GGG get no credit for showing that he's 10 times the boxer Murray was? It's chumps like you that keep knocking the guy and say he's fighting nobodies.

Fact- Today, 8/24/15, GGG is the best fighter in the world. I don't care how old he is. He's the best and most dominant fighter in the world.

Sergio was well past his best by the time he got to Murray - he was plagued with knee injuries which severely restricted his movement, he was there for the taking really, and if he'd have been in with a better fighter than Murray, he'd have been beaten. The next time he was - he got beat.

Nobody is going wild over Cotto stopping Geale - only in your paranoid imagination where everyone is refusing to accept your vision of GGG as the right hand of the angel of death.

[caldo2025]

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GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

Precisely, GGG is probably the biggest talent in the entire history of the sport.............apparently.

This despite not having faced a single elite level fighter as a professional, greater talent than Armstrong, Robinson, Pepp, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Monzon.....etc etc etc.

Too hilarious for words.

"Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever" Does that mean he's the best ever? No, that just means he's unique dipshit. GO ahead and name another middleweight that has this many KO's in a row and a knockout ratio like this? Oh you can't? That's because it's never happened idiot. Hence, a talent boxing hasn't seen...maybe ever. ".

Please humor me. Name another boxer in history that has had a similar career? Let's hear it Mr. Boxing? Name one even close?

[caldo2025]

[quote="jamesmcdonnell"
Right, now who looks like a jackass....?[/quote]

Still you Jimmy Irish. Still you.

[jamesmcdonnell]

[quote="jamesmcdonnell"
Right, now who looks like a jackass....?

Still you Jimmy Irish. Still you.[/quote]

Only in your mind. Your statement still makes you look what you are, a total bell end.

Of course GGG is unique, he's an individual fighter, but perhaps I don't get a hard on as easily for you for a guy bowling over mediocre fighters.

I remember how invincible Nigel Benn looked before he got knocked bandy by Michael Watson.

Keep on wanking into your GGG tissues - when you're capable of having a sensible debate about GGG, without jizzing down your trouser leg, or foaming at the mouth then I'll bother to take you back off ignore again. I suspect that will be never. Goodnight sweet twat.

[caldo2025]

[quote="jamesmcdonnell"]
Of course GGG is unique, he's an individual fighter, but perhaps I don't get a hard on as easily for you for a guy bowling over mediocre fighters.

You Mick's drive me mad. What the heck is this supposed to mean. Of course he's unique, he's an individual fighter? As opposed to a Tag Team like Mr. Fuji and Mr. Saito? What the heck does that mean?

I prefer to be excited about a one in a lifetime type fighter like GGG, yes. Not going to apologize about that. One the best amateur fighters in boxing history completely demolishing every boxer in his weight class. Not dancing and fighting at the ten second clapper of each round trying to steal a decision. This guy is so dominating that he's had to let his opponents hit him the first couple of rounds because he doesn't want to knock them out to early. He's actually trying to go the distance but no one can stand up long enough for him to do so. In this day of tremendous athletes, you don't think that's a rare thing?

One day, you'll be bouncing some little Mick on your lap talking about how great this guy was and how you witnessed it. Why you people refuse to acknowledge how special of a talent GGG is, is really beyond me.

GGG will eventually have to go up or down to find someone to fight and who knows what will happen when a guy is forced to fight outside of his weight class but as far as Middleweights, you can't name another like him in your lifetime. Nigel Benn is not even close dude. Nice try there...not really.

[caldo2025]

And let's go back to the statement that started this mess...

Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

Someone PLEASE try to prove this statement incorrect. Name another boxer in the last 40 years that has done what GGG has done. Come on, I want to hear it. All of the penis gallery piping up, all that I've heard so far is Nigel Benn...which is pretty funny because he got knocked the F out twice within his first 30 fights. So that's not even close.

Let's hear it.

[Tanzio]

And let's go back to the statement that started this mess...

Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

Someone PLEASE try to prove this statement incorrect. Name another boxer in the last 40 years that has done what GGG has done. Come on, I want to hear it. All of the penis gallery piping up, all that I've heard so far is Nigel Benn...which is pretty funny because he got knocked the F out twice within his first 30 fights. So that's not even close.

Let's hear it.

Take a deep breath, blow into a paper bag, adjust your Viagra prescription.

I'd take Hagler and Monzon and The Hitman over 3G. No offense intended but 3G hasn't faced anyone in the vicinity of their level and he has not fought anywhere in the vicinity of the competition they fought.

3G is fighting LeMieux. Don't get me wrong, I like the fight, but David is not Hagler, Monzon or Hearns or Duran or Leonard or Benitez or Virgil Hill or BHop or Trinidad or Lara for that matter.

I do think 3G has the potential to be an ATG, but LeMieux is not the ticket to that destination.

[caldo2025]

And let's go back to the statement that started this mess...

Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever

Someone PLEASE try to prove this statement incorrect. Name another boxer in the last 40 years that has done what GGG has done. Come on, I want to hear it. All of the penis gallery piping up, all that I've heard so far is Nigel Benn...which is pretty funny because he got knocked the F out twice within his first 30 fights. So that's not even close.

Let's hear it.

Take a deep breath, blow into a paper bag, adjust your Viagra prescription.

I'd take Hagler and Monzon and The Hitman over 3G. No offense intended but 3G hasn't faced anyone in the vicinity of their level and he has not fought anywhere in the vicinity of the competition they fought.

3G is fighting LeMieux. Don't get me wrong, I like the fight, but David is not Hagler, Monzon or Hearns or Duran or Leonard or Benitez or Virgil Hill or BHop or Trinidad or Lara for that matter.

I do think 3G has the potential to be an ATG, but LeMieux is not the ticket to that destination.

It's way too premature to make any of those comparisons, agreed. I'm not ready to go there either. But what I do know is that we are witnessing domination in the Middleweight Division unlike anything I've ever seen in my years of watching boxing. Even if you go by the sample that we do have to compare, it's not like he's fighting the type of guys that comprise Deontay Wilder's resume of KO victims. Stevens, Macklin, Monroe Jr, Geale, Murray, Rubio etc. Nothing about this KO string or record is fabricated against club fighters or chumps. His last 7 KO's were against opponents that comprise a record of 213-20. At some point, you have to appreciate what is going on right now with this kid.