British Top 30 P4P September 2015

[PredatorHayds]

He's on my top 10 at cruiser. Anyone in the top 10 of a weight division is close to a world title shot.
That's what I'd class as fringe world class. He's done more at cruiserweight than Bellew.

[Horse]

Liam Walsh is too high.

Yes, he does seem a bit high.

7 of those below him have at least one loss in the last 12 months. Walsh has kept winning and he's sneaked ahead of the pack.

[expe]

He's on my top 10 at cruiser. Anyone in the top 10 of a weight division is close to a world title shot.
That's what I'd class as fringe world class. He's done more at cruiserweight than Bellew.

How can you have him top 10 in a division with Lebedev, Drozd, Glowacki, Huck, Wlodarcyzk, Hernandez, Afolabi, Ramirez, Makabu, Kalenga, Kudyrashov, Usyk, Chakhiev and Arslan in it?

[Horse]

Luke Campbell should be top 10.

His record is far too weak.

[Horse]

Selby above Groves.......

I don't think Selby is that good.

[Horse]

I would put Selby above Groves and Fury,

It seems that most people would have Selby higher. I just don't rate him as highly as most.

Mitchell above Paul Smith

Fair enough.

and move Crolla into the top 15.

That's a bit high for me. He did very well against Perez, but Perez is not a proven world class fighter, so beating him doesn't mean that much to me.

But all in all it is a good list

[Horse]

I'd put Selby above Fury and Groves.
Fury has yet to fight at World level and Groves has twice and lost both times.

Cunningham and Chisora were world level opponents.

Froch was P4P level. He was leagues above Gradovich as far being a credible opponent goes.

Selby has a belt and although a world title isn't the be all and end all, he looked every bit the world class operator in his bout.
After Groves and Fury fight their upcoming bouts I may change my stance, but for the moment I feel Selby has earned the right to be considered among the very best British fighters just now.
And this is coming from someone who thought Selby was all show and wouldn't make it at the top level. I'm pleased to admit I'm wrong and my opinion of Lee has changed drastically over his last 2 bouts

Selby beat a weak champion controversially. I wasn't very impressed.

I can't fathom how Stuart Hall and Paul Smith rank so highly, perhaps it stick in my craw that both men have been given repeated undeserved chances and proven time and again, with out doubt to be quite comfortably below world level.

No, they have both done well.

[PredatorHayds]

He's on my top 10 at cruiser. Anyone in the top 10 of a weight division is close to a world title shot.
That's what I'd class as fringe world class. He's done more at cruiserweight than Bellew.

How can you have him top 10 in a division with Lebedev, Drozd, Glowacki, Huck, Wlodarcyzk, Hernandez, Afolabi, Ramirez, Makabu, Kalenga, Kudyrashov, Usyk, Chakhiev and Arslan in it?

I'd have him above Afolabi, Ramirez, Kalenga, arslan and Kudyrashow.

[expe]

He's on my top 10 at cruiser. Anyone in the top 10 of a weight division is close to a world title shot.
That's what I'd class as fringe world class. He's done more at cruiserweight than Bellew.

How can you have him top 10 in a division with Lebedev, Drozd, Glowacki, Huck, Wlodarcyzk, Hernandez, Afolabi, Ramirez, Makabu, Kalenga, Kudyrashov, Usyk, Chakhiev and Arslan in it?

I'd have him above Afolabi, Ramirez, Kalenga, arslan and Kudyrashow.

[PredatorHayds]

Don't worry I know that I'm in the minority and ppl might find it deluded but I seriously rate Ovill at cruiser.
I also rate a couple if his wins as better wins recently than some on the list domestically and globally.

Afolabi to me always seems a couple if fights from becoming a journeyman.
Ramirez only high ranking is due to his Afolabi win which I don't rate that highly.
Kalenga I rate similar to Mckenzie but he's got the recent loss.
Arslan I feel is slowly in decline.
Kudyrashov has a good record on paper but I feel Ovill has better wins and I didn't think that much of Kudyrashovs last performance when stepped up slightly.

I also haven't seen many fighters improve as surprisingly and rapidly as Ovill. Despite his record and age id say hd is currently at his prime.

[Horse]

He is fringe world class which is a level above
Chisora
Stuart hall
Paul smith
Luke Campbell

He's not fringe world class though. Most of McKenzie's recent wins are against English title level opponents.

[PredatorHayds]

He is fringe world class which is a level above
Chisora
Stuart hall
Paul smith
Luke Campbell

He's not fringe world class though. Most of McKenzie's recent wins are against English title level opponents.

Chisoras recent wins not world class
Stuart hall loses at world class
Paul smith loses at world class
Luke Campbell hasn't fought world class

[Horse]

Chisoras recent wins not world class

Scott was fringe world class and his win over Johnson is arguably better than any win that McKenzie has.

Stuart hall loses at world class

McKenzie has lost at domestic class many times.

Paul smith loses at world class

McKenzie has never fought at world class.

Luke Campbell hasn't fought world class

No, but his recent win against Coyle is as good as any of McKenzie's recent wins and ability-wise he looks levels above.

McKenzie recently struggled to beat Askin who is only at English title level. He is not a top 10 cruiserweight and he has not done enough to suggest that he is fringe world or European class either. I don't think there is anything wrong with him being outside of the top 30.

[keithmoonhangover]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

If any comments are indeed welcome, then please could you tell me why Andy Lee is included?

[Horse]

If any comments are indeed welcome, then please could you tell me why Andy Lee is included?

He was born, raised and started boxing in London for one thing.

Now would you kindly let it go and stop tormenting me?

[keithmoonhangover]

If any comments are indeed welcome, then please could you tell me why Andy Lee is included?

He was born, raised and started boxing in London for one thing.

Now would you kindly let it go and stop tormenting me?

I wasn't tormenting you, I just want to know why And Lee was on the list. As I've said before, I didn't know, now I do.

[Horse]

I wasn't tormenting you, I just want to know why And Lee was on the list. As I've said before, I didn't know, now I do.

Sure.

[keithmoonhangover]

I wasn't tormenting you, I just want to know why And Lee was on the list. As I've said before, I didn't know, now I do.

Sure.

Oh FFS, stop being such a prat about it.

[Horse]

Oh FFS, stop being such a prat about it.

Yeah, it's me.

[keithmoonhangover]

Oh FFS, stop being such a prat about it.

Yeah, it's me.

[PredatorHayds]

Chisoras recent wins not world class

Scott was fringe world class and his win over Johnson is arguably better than any win that McKenzie has.

Stuart hall loses at world class

McKenzie has lost at domestic class many times.

Paul smith loses at world class

McKenzie has never fought at world class.

Luke Campbell hasn't fought world class

No, but his recent win against Coyle is as good as any of McKenzie's recent wins and ability-wise he looks levels above.

McKenzie recently struggled to beat Askin who is only at English title level. He is not a top 10 cruiserweight and he has not done enough to suggest that he is fringe world or European class either. I don't think there is anything wrong with him being outside of the top 30.

You say Mckenzie has lost at domestic class plenty of times. That was a long time ago mostly in a different weight class at short notice.
Ovill has completly cleaned out the division domestically.
In my opinion Askin is a better level fighter than Malik Scott. I'd go as far to say Malik Scott is one of the most overrated fighters of the modern era.
Stuart Hall isn't good enough to win a British title at the moment and is probably the worst British world champion of all time.
Also potential shouldn't be included in rankings. Campbell gets in on the back of 1 fight when Ovill has beaten fighters of similar stature over the his last 3 domestic fights.

[PredatorHayds]

Oh FFS, stop being such a prat about it.

Yeah, it's me.

Didn't notice he'd put Andy Lee in.
Irish Andy Lee in a British top 30 is too dumb to comprehend.
France isn't that far away maybe we can throw Soro in there aswell.

[Horse]

You say Mckenzie has lost at domestic class plenty of times. That was a long time ago mostly in a different weight class at short notice.
Ovill has completly cleaned out the division domestically.

He hasn't sorted out Afolabi or Bellew, so he hasn't cleaned out the domestic division at all.

In my opinion Askin is a better level fighter than Malik Scott. I'd go as far to say Malik Scott is one of the most overrated fighters of the modern era.

You are very wrong.

Stuart Hall isn't good enough to win a British title at the moment and is probably the worst British world champion of all time.

Who wouldn't Hall be able to beat for the vacant British title?

Also potential shouldn't be included in rankings. Campbell gets in on the back of 1 fight when Ovill has beaten fighters of similar stature over the his last 3 domestic fights.

I consider Coyle to be better than everyone that McKenzie has beaten recently and he beat him very clearly.

[Horse]

Didn't notice he'd put Andy Lee in.
Irish Andy Lee in a British top 30 is too dumb to comprehend.
France isn't that far away maybe we can throw Soro in there aswell.

Ah, you're a troll rather than a moron.

[PredatorHayds]

Didn't notice he'd put Andy Lee in.
Irish Andy Lee in a British top 30 is too dumb to comprehend.
France isn't that far away maybe we can throw Soro in there aswell.

Ah, you're a troll rather than a moron.

You have Andy Lee in a British Top 30 yet I'm the troll???