Bleacher reports top 10 Australian fighters ever

[DA GOOSE]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2568 ... me/page/12

What do you think? Although I have only seen a few fights and read about them because they were well before my time. Dave Sands and Les Darcy should be ahead of Lester Ellis and Jeff Harding IMO. Just by reading about them tells you that.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

i'v seen the list if you look at the Australian born fighter's the list would start out with
no 1.......L ROSE
no 2.......J HARDING
no 3.......L Darcy
no 4.......D SANDS

I can't remember ever seeing a list with our top ten and Carruthers is not on the list Vic Darchiyan couldn't carry his jock strap.

[Kelandbeave]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2568 ... me/page/12

What do you think? Although I have only seen a few fights and read about them because they were well before my time. Dave Sands and Les Darcy should be ahead of Lester Ellis and Jeff Harding IMO. Just by reading about them tells you that.

Lester Ellis is way too high and actually not in my top 10

[Like a Boss]

i'v seen the list if you look at the Australian born fighter's the list would start out with
no 1.......L ROSE
no 2.......J HARDING
no 3.......L Darcy
no 4.......D SANDS

I can't remember ever seeing a list with our top ten and Carruthers is not on the list Vic Darchiyan couldn't carry his jock strap.

You don't rate Fenech ahead of any of the 4 you listed above??

[DA GOOSE]

i'v seen the list if you look at the Australian born fighter's the list would start out with
no 1.......L ROSE
no 2.......J HARDING
no 3.......L Darcy
no 4.......D SANDS

I can't remember ever seeing a list with our top ten and Carruthers is not on the list Vic Darchiyan couldn't carry his jock strap.

Fenech is way better than Harding.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

i'v seen the list if you look at the Australian born fighter's the list would start out with
no 1.......L ROSE
no 2.......J HARDING
no 3.......L Darcy
no 4.......D SANDS

I can't remember ever seeing a list with our top ten and Carruthers is not on the list Vic Darchiyan couldn't carry his jock strap.

You don't rate Fenech ahead of any of the 4 you listed above??

Can I just say I didn't meen to offend any-one especially any-one on the list or their family I just pointed out about Aussie born fighter's on the list
and if my memory is serving me correctly Jeff Fenech was born in Malta.

[Like a Boss]

i'v seen the list if you look at the Australian born fighter's the list would start out with
no 1.......L ROSE
no 2.......J HARDING
no 3.......L Darcy
no 4.......D SANDS

I can't remember ever seeing a list with our top ten and Carruthers is not on the list Vic Darchiyan couldn't carry his jock strap.

You don't rate Fenech ahead of any of the 4 you listed above??

Can I just say I didn't meen to offend any-one especially any-one on the list or their family I just pointed out about Aussie born fighter's on the list
and if my memory is serving me correctly Jeff Fenech was born in Malta.

Fenech was born in Sydney. In a suburb called St Peters, which is right next to Marrickville.

[Beltane]

Johnny Famechon would have to be included in the Australian top ten list.

Johnny was born in France and came to Australia at age five, and was inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame in 1997.

[Like a Boss]

Johnny Famechon would have to be included in the Australian top ten list.

Johnny was born in France and came to Australia at age five, and was inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame in 1997.

Fammo would be top 5 of most people's list.

[Beltane]

Can I just say I didn't meen to offend any-one especially any-one on the list or their family I just pointed out about Aussie born fighter's on the list and if my memory is serving me correctly Jeff Fenech was born in Malta

That is the wrong Fenech. Well known Rugby League player, Mario Fenech who was active the same era as our Jeff, was the Fenech whom was born in Malta.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Can I just say I didn't meen to offend any-one especially any-one on the list or their family I just pointed out about Aussie born fighter's on the list and if my memory is serving me correctly Jeff Fenech was born in Malta

That is the wrong Fenech. Well known Rugby League player, Mario Fenech who was active the same era as our Jeff, was the Fenech whom was born in Malta.

I know who the Maltese Falcon is remember If the ball hit you in the head it was a Falcon I didn't get any-one mixed up with the same last name but who cares if you was born here or not I was surprised afew guy's weren't on the list like Carruthers/Ron Richards/Fammo is usually on these type of list's and then we have Lester Ellis on the list but Barry Michael defeated Ellis and took his IBF world title but then I could say
Jeff Malcolm could be on the list because he beat Barry Michael convincingly and went on to have 100 win's I guess it would go around and around like a wheel I think Carruthers should be in front of Ellis and Darchiyan

[bogan whisperer]

Credit where it is due to Jeff Malcolm for his long and successful career but he is not close to top 10 Australian ever.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Credit where it is due to Jeff Malcolm for his long and successful career but he is nowhere close to top 10 Australian ever.

I NOT SAYING HE IS TOP TEN MATE WHAT I'M SAYING YOU COULD GO AROUD AND AROUND LIKE A WHEEL IF WE USED WHO BEAT WHO AND WHEN SO BARRY MICHAEL WOULD BE BELOW HIM ON ANY LIST AND BLOKES LIKE LOVEMORE BECAUSE HE WINS A IBF TITLE HE GETS RANKED IN THE TOP 20 OUT OF 100 GREATEST AUSTRALIAN LIST BY GRANTLEE KIEZA AND RAY WHEATLEY WHAT A JOKE HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEAT MALCOLM IN HIS LIFE IN MY OPINION.......... MALCOLM IS ONE BLOKE THAT NEVER GETS A MENTION ON THESE TYPE OF LIST'S IF HE DOES HE'S WAY DOWN THE LIST

[bogan whisperer]

Credit where it is due to Jeff Malcolm for his long and successful career but he is nowhere close to top 10 Australian ever.

I NOT SAYING HE IS TOP TEN MATE WHAT I'M SAYING YOU COULD GO AROUD AND AROUND LIKE A WHEEL IF WE USED WHO BEAT WHO AND WHEN SO BARRY MICHAEL WOULD BE BELOW HIM ON ANY LIST AND BLOKES LIKE LOVEMORE BECAUSE HE WINS A IBF TITLE HE GETS RANKED IN THE TOP 20 OUT OF 100 GREATEST AUSTRALIAN LIST BY GRANTLEE KIEZA AND RAY WHEATLEY WHAT A JOKE HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEAT MALCOLM IN HIS LIFE IN MY OPINION.......... MALCOLM IS ONE BLOKE THAT NEVER GETS A MENTION ON THESE TYPE OF LIST'S IF HE DOES HE'S WAY DOWN THE LIST

Jeff is way down the list because rightfully he is way down the list when it comes to our very best.

How many of these would you have Jeff Malcolm ahead of? And I'm sure I've left some good ones out too:

Jeff Fenech
Jimmy Carruthers
Kostya Tszyu
Lionel Rose
Johnny Famechon
Peter Jackson
Les Darcy
Vic Darchinyan
Dave Sands
Tony Mundine
Rocky Mattioli
Ron Richards
Barry Michael
Lester Ellis
Robbie Peden
Jeff Harding
Paul Ferreri
Vic Patrick
Jack Carroll
Ambrose Palmer
Daniel Geale
Charkey Ramon
Hector Thompson
Danny Green
Michael Katsidis
Sakio Bika
Anthony Mundine
Paul Briggs
Eddie Miller
Troy Waters
George Bracken
Mickey Tollis
Henry Nissan
Bobby Dunne
Fred Henneberry

[ClivePatrickLyons]

So bogan whisperer you pick 35 fighter's that you claim are in front of Malcolm on the Aussie all time greatest list and you want me to pick how many that are behind Malcolm from your list of 35 some of your choice's are not or were not even world class fighter's and then I see some are absolute legend's of Aussie boxing........So out of the 35......16 were world champion's and another 6 fought for the world title's 10 time's between them...... Malcolm was in his prime when there was only 2 world champion's from each weight division late 70's and early 80's there was no Break Even Bill Mordeys around then he came along a shade to late for Malcolm there didn't seem to be anyone around at the time to promote any Aussie's on the world stage in the pre Mordey day's he was a fighter who turned pro when he was 15 years old had his 49th pro fight whilest still a teenager was world rated on different occasion's over 3 decade's last world ranking was by the WBA at welterweight in 2002 first time he was world rated was in 1978 by the WBC at Jr Weltereight whats that a 24 year gap from the first time until the last time he got in the top 10 of a major world boxing ranking's list his prime fighting weight Jr Welter he did not get a title shot until he was 35 years old and past his best it was for the WBO welterweight title he lost a un dec he was only ever stopped 3 time's one was a tko the fight was waved off while Malcolm was standing and the other 2 were cut eye stoppage's when he was a grandfather best known for his fast hand's and fast feet and his southpaw stance was very hard to tag at his best that's why he competed for so long even when a grandfather how many on your list were world rated when they were grand daddie's :?? just type how many so I know if Grantlee Kieza and Ray Wheatley pick our best 100 and Lovemore is in our top twenty that'll do me what about Peter Jackson he was fighting in the 1880's your kidding how many of his fight's were for real remember he was a coloured fighter when racism was not kept behind closed door's and no disrespect but Malcolms not better than Nissen/Miller/Tollis/Bracken/Dunne/Henneberry come on he beat another bloke on your list quite easily in his home town and lost a close dec to the other great on your list so I don't see how you think he is no where near top 10 what is close to top ten in your book and can you tell me your top twenty that'll be good................

[patron]

Curruthers,Dave Sands, Richards, Darcy, Bennett[elly],Thompson. George Barnes, Malcolm, Patrick, Rose, Carroll[Jack],Fenech,Tollis,Trevor King, Tony Mundine,I am not rating these fighters in any order, but I have seen them all in action except Darcy, Carroll,Richards, and I have not seen any fighters [aussie] lately that would beat them at their weights,I stand to be corrected. there was a post on another topic, stating that a pro boxer would not fight within a week of his last fight if he was serious about winning, apparently he hasn,t had a look at some of the records of the old and not so od fighters, all the best

[bogan whisperer]

So bogan whisperer you pick 35 fighter's that you claim are in front of Malcolm on the Aussie all time greatest list and you want me to pick how many that are behind Malcolm from your list of 35....

My post was a question to you. Not a statement.

I wasn't claiming anything. I was simply asking you how many from the list you would put Flash ahead of.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

So bogan whisperer you pick 35 fighter's that you claim are in front of Malcolm on the Aussie all time greatest list and you want me to pick how many that are behind Malcolm from your list of 35....

My post was a question to you. Not a statement.

I wasn't claiming anything. I was simply asking you how many from the list you would put Flash ahead of, and the question remains??

You fibba...............remember this :?? Jeff is way down the list because rightfully he is way down the list when it comes to our very best that's what you claimed Jeff is nowhere close to top ten Australian ever that's what you claimed isn't it :?? ............how do you people keep picking Peter Jackson in our best ever list his last fight was in the 1890's god would only know when his first was who seen him fight :?? how many fight's Freddy Dawson win here he surely qualifies for our best ever list also he'd[ Malcolm ] make the top 25 out of the 35 fighter's you'v named [ is that any where near the top 10 ]who's the one's you left out let us know when you have time and how do you compare some-one with a 16-2 record[Nissan] with some-one who won 100 fight's can you please explain that to me that'll be great to hear

[bogan whisperer]

So bogan whisperer you pick 35 fighter's that you claim are in front of Malcolm on the Aussie all time greatest list and you want me to pick how many that are behind Malcolm from your list of 35....

My post was a question to you. Not a statement.

I wasn't claiming anything. I was simply asking you how many from the list you would put Flash ahead of, and the question remains??

You fibba...............remember this :?? Jeff is way down the list because rightfully he is way down the list when it comes to our very best that's what you claimed Jeff is nowhere close to top ten Australian ever that's what you claimed isn't it :?? ............how do you people keep picking Peter Jackson in our best ever list his last fight was in the 1890's god would only know when his first was who seen him fight :?? how many fight's Freddy Dawson win here he surely qualifies for our best ever list also he'd[ Malcolm ] make the top 25 out of the 35 fighter's you'v named [ is that any where near the top 10 ]who's the one's you left out let us know when you have time and how do you compare some-one with a 16-2 record[Nissan] with some-one who won 100 fight's can you please explain that to me that'll be great to hear

Which 10 are you ranking Jeff ahead of?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Mate i'v already mention 7 of them does this have to go down to the wire i'v answered some of your question's put to me can you return the favour just this time and give me your top 20 if that's too much then please give me your top 10 atleast but top 20 would be better that'll really give me an idea what you think close to 10 is does top 25 count :?? tell the truth now

[bogan whisperer]

Mate i'v already mention 7 of them does this have to go down to the wire i'v answered some of your question's put to me can you return the favour just this time and give me your top 20 if that's too much then please give me your top 10 atleast but top 20 would be better that'll really give me an idea what you think close to 10 is does top 25 count :?? tell the truth now

I've already given you 35 names which are close to my top 35, give or take a few, but not in order of course.

If you are that keen, I'll put mine up in order straight after you post yours

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Mate i'v already mention 7 of them does this have to go down to the wire i'v answered some of your question's put to me can you return the favour just this time and give me your top 20 if that's too much then please give me your top 10 atleast but top 20 would be better that'll really give me an idea what you think close to 10 is does top 25 count :?? tell the truth now

I've already given you 35 names which are close to my top 35, give or take a few, but not in order of course.

If you are that keen, I'll put mine up in order straight after you post yours

Why didn't you say that earlier so Malcolm is behind the 35 you have mentioned ......Well i'v mentioned 7 fighter's from your list I believe Malcolm
should be in front of and you can take your pick on the other 3 or so........That'll put Malcolm in your top 25 or there abouts is that close enough to the top 10 for ya or still way down the list did you find out how many were world rated grand father's on your list and if its no trouble
while your at it see if any-one on your list has fought over 20 former/future National champion's like Malcolm did and that's only the Australian champion's I'm counting not the import's or over seas fighter's he met...............can you help me and pick the other 3 or so from your list if you can find them like I did

[bogan whisperer]

Mate i'v already mention 7 of them does this have to go down to the wire i'v answered some of your question's put to me can you return the favour just this time and give me your top 20 if that's too much then please give me your top 10 atleast but top 20 would be better that'll really give me an idea what you think close to 10 is does top 25 count :?? tell the truth now

I've already given you 35 names which are close to my top 35, give or take a few, but not in order of course.

If you are that keen, I'll put mine up in order straight after you post yours

Why didn't you say that earlier so Malcolm is behind the 35 you have mentioned ......Well i'v mentioned 7 fighter's from your list I believe Malcolm
should be in front of and you can take your pick on the other 3 or so........That'll put Malcolm in your top 25 or there abouts is that close enough to the top 10 for ya or still way down the list did you find out how many were world rated grand father's on your list and if its no trouble
while your at it see if any-one on your list has fought over 20 former/future National champion's like Malcolm did and that's only the Australian champion's I'm counting not the import's or over seas fighter's he met...............can you help me and pick the other 3 or so from your list if you can find them like I did

It has now gone full circle

Like I said at the beginning, Jeff Malcom is nowhere near our top 10 best ever. Perhaps he's 25th. Perhaps he's 35th. But nowhere near top 10.

End of story as far as I'm concerned. But feel free to have the last word

[Grant]

Hard to argue about any on that list.
Agree Curruthers deserves a spot and could make a case that he fought better opposition than Lester.
Also Ron Richards? We gloss over some of those guys from that era. They were fighting and beating future and former World Champs on a regular basis.

[Axl]

Two of my all time Idols in the top 3. No use debating the rest, there is no correct answer.