Another death on the unlicensed circuit

[Looking On]

I see all the usual crap is beginning again.... please remember how this all transpired last time.

the lad (called Ace Dinero) died of a heart attack, nothing boxing related (again, but hey dont let that get in the way of the truth), its just circumstantial that he had boxed earlier that night. Hence the scarce coverage anywhere. I think the papers learned from their lessons of using boxing/promoter as a scapegoat last time which all proved rather needless.

No one's mentioned how he died, just general discussion about white collar/unlicensed boxing.

If he has died of a heart attack then it's too early to say whether it was related to his fight. Fit, healthy, young men don't just suddenly drop dead, if he's had a heart attack then it could well be down to some sort of heart defect/condition, that could cause a heart attack at any time, but the risk can also be aggravated by several factors. Might have nothing to do with boxing, but you do have to question the medical, if there was one at all, a proper medical should pick up things like that.

Just like how this very forum said very similar things when Lance Prayogg died. I cant comment on how vigorous the medical was or wasnt, so neither should anyone else, as lets face it, the facts arent known. Im only pissed off because i know Damian Hucker well, and i saw the crap he went through and the stuff that was written on this very forum amongst others, people saying things that simply wasnt true or repeating other comments made be people who werent in the know. So rather than speculate... lets stick to the facts... Which are a young man who had boxed earlier in the night has passed away following a heart attack... anything more than that is just needless.

[expe]

I see all the usual crap is beginning again.... please remember how this all transpired last time.

the lad (called Ace Dinero) died of a heart attack, nothing boxing related (again, but hey dont let that get in the way of the truth), its just circumstantial that he had boxed earlier that night. Hence the scarce coverage anywhere. I think the papers learned from their lessons of using boxing/promoter as a scapegoat last time which all proved rather needless.

No one's mentioned how he died, just general discussion about white collar/unlicensed boxing.

If he has died of a heart attack then it's too early to say whether it was related to his fight. Fit, healthy, young men don't just suddenly drop dead, if he's had a heart attack then it could well be down to some sort of heart defect/condition, that could cause a heart attack at any time, but the risk can also be aggravated by several factors. Might have nothing to do with boxing, but you do have to question the medical, if there was one at all, a proper medical should pick up things like that.

Just like how this very forum said very similar things when Lance Prayogg died. I cant comment on how vigorous the medical was or wasnt, so neither should anyone else, as lets face it, the facts arent known. Im only pissed off because i know Damian Hucker well, and i saw the crap he went through and the stuff that was written on this very forum amongst others, people saying things that simply wasnt true or repeating other comments made be people who werent in the know. So rather than speculate... lets stick to the facts... Which are a young man who had boxed earlier in the night has passed away following a heart attack... anything more than that is just needless.

Apart from a bit by me in my last post, no one's speculated about anything, the thread's gone slightly off topic onto white collar/unlicensed in general but there hasn't really been any speculation there either.

[keirw]

RIP and condolences to his family.

I don't know much about the white collar circuit, as it isn't really my cup of tea, but I did go to watch my mate on a white collar show a couple months back and was actually quite surprised by the match making.
Although the overall standard was very low, most fights were pretty evenly matched.
From what I heard they raised loads of money for charity aswell.
Whether or not this is the norm, I do not know.

[Gnome]

Horrible to hear. I just want to mention though that it is not only white collar boxing that lines up complete mismatches. I have seen many a card where an undefeated pro with a good amateur background is put in the ring with a lad who -literally- cannot box. One night I saw a 7-0, pro and looks like he is carved out of rock, was put up against a skinny bloke on his debut who tried a two-armed jab which ended up being the only punch he threw. All over in 40 seconds. The card in question had six fights, four of which were first round KOs and another a second round KO. All the opponents had been rounded up under the name of a neighbouring town's MMA club. It was sickening to watch, and the matchmaker should have been struck off in my opinion.

this was BBBofC?

No - in Germany actually. I like to think the BBBofC wouldn't stoop to that trash.

[dudu]

The gym i used to go to in birmingham got all the fighters sparring eachother a month or so before the fight to see if there were any mismatches. Is this unusual to do?

Come fight night there was only one ko but all the fights were very even and back n forth. This was about 4 years ago mind.

[leejonesjnr]

The confusion here I think stems from the use of the phrase 'white collar'.
A white collar show is (should mean) when complete novices train for a short period of time and are then matched as evenly as possible to compete against one another. This is usually a charity endeavour and involves head guards and 16oz gloves.
White collar is also used to describe unlicensed boxing. White collar boxing is unlicensed boxing I suppose, but a very specific sub set.

[mickey1975]

A sergeant from West Yorkshire Police called a leading EBF promoter today for advice on making shows safer. He acknowledged EBF use paramedics and doctors hence why he rang him.

[HomicideHenry]

This is why there has to be record keeping, and common sense matchmaking.

There should be various levels and licenses among the competitors in such bouts.

Say, for instance, a bouncer in a bar wants to fight he should be given a D-level license and only if he beats 5 men of said class, can he apply for a C-level license where it is someone with some amateur experience (regardless of discipline, mma, boxing, etc). And so on and so forth.

I think the main problem, though, doesn't lay so much in mismatches--- as it does the fact you have people with no business physically competing in a dangerous sport. If you have kidney, liver, heart, issues.... then u need to keep ur ass in a chair watching the fights rather than competing in the ring. Because, in my view... mismatches may lead to "brutal" looking knockouts, but it is far safer to be kayoed easily (for the brain and otherwise) than to be beaten and beaten and beaten for an extended period of time.

[SAPFO]

The gym i used to go to in birmingham got all the fighters sparring eachother a month or so before the fight to see if there were any mismatches. Is this unusual to do?

Come fight night there was only one ko but all the fights were very even and back n forth. This was about 4 years ago mind.

Was this Neil Perkins gym by any chance? He has pretty much nailed the art of running 'White Collar' shows here in Brum. Him and his team will not let you fight if they do not think you are ready.


Before you fight for them you have to:

Go through the basics of blocking etc before they even let you even soft/technical spar

They will then assess you before they let you open spar in a controlled environment with very experienced coaches

Prove you have a reasonable standard of fitness and ability to fight and last the distance

Attend a proper camp with them where you train & spar a few times per week

Have a medical on fight night, if you don't pass, you don't fight. This has happened to a lad I know.

16oz Lonsdale SafeSpar with proper headguard. And my hands were wrapped so I couldn't knock a baby out!


They have an anaesthetist ringside along with the usual medics.



If you are going to fight, find someone reputable in your town and look after #1.


I've got a vid of the fight I had above I'll stick in a another thread for you all to take the piss out of one day.

[stu 27]

The gym i used to go to in birmingham got all the fighters sparring eachother a month or so before the fight to see if there were any mismatches. Is this unusual to do?

Come fight night there was only one ko but all the fights were very even and back n forth. This was about 4 years ago mind.

Was this Neil Perkins gym by any chance? He has pretty much nailed the art of running 'White Collar' shows here in Brum. Him and his team will not let you fight if they do not think you are ready.


Before you fight for them you have to:

Go through the basics of blocking etc before they even let you even soft/technical spar

They will then assess you before they let you open spar in a controlled environment with very experienced coaches

Prove you have a reasonable standard of fitness and ability to fight and last the distance

Attend a proper camp with them where you train & spar a few times per week

Have a medical on fight night, if you don't pass, you don't fight. This has happened to a lad I know.

16oz Lonsdale SafeSpar with proper headguard. And my hands were wrapped so I couldn't knock a baby out!


They have an anaesthetist ringside along with the usual medics.



If you are going to fight, find someone reputable in your town and look after #1.




I've got a vid of the fight I had above I'll stick in a another thread for you all to take the piss out of one day.

that sounds well run(is that the city center one)some of the ones I've been to in brum don't do anything technical at all,just concerned with ticket sales and pretend belts

[Looking On]

The gym i used to go to in birmingham got all the fighters sparring eachother a month or so before the fight to see if there were any mismatches. Is this unusual to do?

Come fight night there was only one ko but all the fights were very even and back n forth. This was about 4 years ago mind.

Was this Neil Perkins gym by any chance? He has pretty much nailed the art of running 'White Collar' shows here in Brum. Him and his team will not let you fight if they do not think you are ready.


Before you fight for them you have to:

Go through the basics of blocking etc before they even let you even soft/technical spar

They will then assess you before they let you open spar in a controlled environment with very experienced coaches

Prove you have a reasonable standard of fitness and ability to fight and last the distance

Attend a proper camp with them where you train & spar a few times per week

Have a medical on fight night, if you don't pass, you don't fight. This has happened to a lad I know.

16oz Lonsdale SafeSpar with proper headguard. And my hands were wrapped so I couldn't knock a baby out!


They have an anaesthetist ringside along with the usual medics.



If you are going to fight, find someone reputable in your town and look after #1.


I've got a vid of the fight I had above I'll stick in a another thread for you all to take the piss out of one day.

Any decent show has all off that apart from anesthetist, but his shows are far from being a leader of any kind.

As for who said someone asked an EBF promoter on how to make it safer.... haha, id suggest start by not considering ebf as anything other than a vehicle to make money.. theres certainly more high standard and better matchmaking etc than EBF, i guarantee EBF response would have equated to only allowing them to have shows. Ive put lads on EBF shows in past and vowed not to do so again, wheras i would put them on neils shows despite him not being overly popular with some people

[SAPFO]

stu 27 yes that's correct.

Looking On. Have you been to one of his shows in the last few years? I am not talking in the early days where everyone makes mistakes. Trust me it's evolved. I know there is beef there with you being a mate of DH, so I don't expect you to give credit. I'm telling you first hand that in this city there is no rival when it comes to safety, preparation, matching, and quality of show.

[dudu]

The gym i used to go to in birmingham got all the fighters sparring eachother a month or so before the fight to see if there were any mismatches. Is this unusual to do?

Come fight night there was only one ko but all the fights were very even and back n forth. This was about 4 years ago mind.

Was this Neil Perkins gym by any chance? He has pretty much nailed the art of running 'White Collar' shows here in Brum. Him and his team will not let you fight if they do not think you are ready.


Before you fight for them you have to:

Go through the basics of blocking etc before they even let you even soft/technical spar

They will then assess you before they let you open spar in a controlled environment with very experienced coaches

Prove you have a reasonable standard of fitness and ability to fight and last the distance

Attend a proper camp with them where you train & spar a few times per week

Have a medical on fight night, if you don't pass, you don't fight. This has happened to a lad I know.

16oz Lonsdale SafeSpar with proper headguard. And my hands were wrapped so I couldn't knock a baby out!


They have an anaesthetist ringside along with the usual medics.



If you are going to fight, find someone reputable in your town and look after #1.


I've got a vid of the fight I had above I'll stick in a another thread for you all to take the piss out of one day.

Was small heath abc. I was only living in brum for a year back then and they did the 'test sparring' for two shows that i can remember. Those procedures you mentioned there sounds stringent!