Boxrec forum's official p4p no1

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Wladimir Klitschko
19
37%
Sergei Kovalev
2
4%
Andre Ward
4
8%
Gennady Golovkin
12
23%
Canelo Alvarez
0
No votes
Manny Pacquiao
0
No votes
Terrence Crawford
0
No votes
Nicholas Walters
0
No votes
Guillermo Rigondeaux
0
No votes
Roman Gonzalez
15
29%
 
Total votes: 52

davie
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Boxrec forum's official p4p no1

Post by davie »

Lets put it to a poll.
It's been discussed to death.
One vote each and I've allowed for re-voting in case, like me, it changes from day to day

Feel free to add opinions and tell other people how wrong they are
jezzamundo
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Post by jezzamundo »

Surely Wlad's not going to win this?!
PredatorHayds
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Post by PredatorHayds »

Wlad for me
davie
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Post by davie »

jezzamundo wrote:Surely Wlad's not going to win this?!
I must admit to being slightly surprised to pop back in and find him leading.
Chepppaaa
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Post by Chepppaaa »

davie wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:Surely Wlad's not going to win this?!
I must admit to being slightly surprised to pop back in and find him leading.

a lot of clueless people on this site, i am not surprised
ikorolev
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Post by ikorolev »

Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
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Post by ClivePatrickLyons »

Who has dominated their weight class for over 10 year's Wlad besides Pacman who's been there done that[P4P no.1]the rest on the list are still puppy's :?? let me know when you find a world champ in the same boat undefeated for over a decade when was his [Wlad] last close fight :?? :bow:
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Post by stevedoc »

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Who has dominated their weight class for over 10 year's Wlad besides Pacman who's been there done that[P4P no.1]the rest on the list are still puppy's :?? let me know when you find a world champ in the same boat undefeated for over a decade when was his [Wlad] last close fight :?? :bow:
You might want to put some more little yellow faces in there just in case ......nothing shows boxing knowledge like a smiley face
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Post by Bobbyptsd »

ikorolev wrote:Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
Yeah I don't really understand that. Guys below around featherweight with great records seem to have to do way more, and even if they do, it seems like they can't climb up as high as the bigger fighters, the way it's set up.

Maybe there's a reasonable reason for that algorithm, but when guys like Gonzalez and Inoue are ranked 25th and 44th respectively, I think it's something to wonder about.
Lackeos
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Post by Lackeos »

Bobbyptsd wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
Yeah I don't really understand that. Guys below around featherweight with great records seem to have to do way more, and even if they do, it seems like they can't climb up as high as the bigger fighters, the way it's set up.

Maybe there's a reasonable reason for that algorithm, but when guys like Gonzalez and Inoue are ranked 25th and 44th respectively, I think it's something to wonder about.
It's because people move up in weight. Like, imagine there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Then imagine a Flyweight with a boxrec rating of 500 moves-up to Super Flyweight. Now there's 4,000 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and 5,000 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Now imagine that happening on a broader scale all of the time for over a century. So rating points are going to pool upward to heavier divisions, those divisions are larger mountains of rating points, and the kings of those divisions are going to have higher ratings.
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Post by punchoutsb »

Chepppaaa wrote:
davie wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:Surely Wlad's not going to win this?!
I must admit to being slightly surprised to pop back in and find him leading.

a lot of clueless people on this site, i am not surprised
Pot, meet kettle.
Bobbyptsd
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Post by Bobbyptsd »

Lackeos wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
Yeah I don't really understand that. Guys below around featherweight with great records seem to have to do way more, and even if they do, it seems like they can't climb up as high as the bigger fighters, the way it's set up.

Maybe there's a reasonable reason for that algorithm, but when guys like Gonzalez and Inoue are ranked 25th and 44th respectively, I think it's something to wonder about.
It's because people move up in weight. Like, imagine there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Then imagine a Flyweight with a boxrec rating of 500 moves-up to Super Flyweight. Now there's 4,000 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and 5,000 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Now imagine that happening on a broader scale all of the time for over a century. So rating points are going to pool upward to heavier divisions, those divisions are larger mountains of rating points, and the kings of those divisions are going to have higher ratings.
I think I understand what you mean.
ikorolev
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Post by ikorolev »

Lackeos wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
Yeah I don't really understand that. Guys below around featherweight with great records seem to have to do way more, and even if they do, it seems like they can't climb up as high as the bigger fighters, the way it's set up.

Maybe there's a reasonable reason for that algorithm, but when guys like Gonzalez and Inoue are ranked 25th and 44th respectively, I think it's something to wonder about.
It's because people move up in weight. Like, imagine there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Then imagine a Flyweight with a boxrec rating of 500 moves-up to Super Flyweight. Now there's 4,000 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and 5,000 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Now imagine that happening on a broader scale all of the time for over a century. So rating points are going to pool upward to heavier divisions, those divisions are larger mountains of rating points, and the kings of those divisions are going to have higher ratings.
It is a good explanation, but it means that the algorithm is bad.
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Post by keirw »

Lackeos wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Boxrec automated scoring of lower weight classes is way off compared to higher weight classes. Something needs to be done about that.
Yeah I don't really understand that. Guys below around featherweight with great records seem to have to do way more, and even if they do, it seems like they can't climb up as high as the bigger fighters, the way it's set up.

Maybe there's a reasonable reason for that algorithm, but when guys like Gonzalez and Inoue are ranked 25th and 44th respectively, I think it's something to wonder about.
It's because people move up in weight. Like, imagine there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and there's 4,500 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Then imagine a Flyweight with a boxrec rating of 500 moves-up to Super Flyweight. Now there's 4,000 total boxrec rating points in the Flyweight division and 5,000 total boxrec rating points in the Super Flyweight division. Now imagine that happening on a broader scale all of the time for over a century. So rating points are going to pool upward to heavier divisions, those divisions are larger mountains of rating points, and the kings of those divisions are going to have higher ratings.
Ahh, I see, thanks for clearing that up.
I always wondered why so many welter weights found their way into a high p4p ranking spot without doing much to earn it (see Kell Brook).
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