George Groves says Adam Booth let him down

[whiskey]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses - then on the verge of the 'money' fights, the glory etc - he just abandons him ?

Yeah sure.

If you believe that, I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.

[keithmoonhangover]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses - then on the verge of the 'money' fights, the glory etc - he just abandons him ?

Yeah sure.

If you believe that, I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.

What's your take on it?

[samwbr]

Groves thinks his trainers are there to carry his bucket and not much more.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses - then on the verge of the 'money' fights, the glory etc - he just abandons him ?

Yeah sure.

If you believe that, I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.

Count me in - do they come with magic mini pork sausages?

[rd350lc]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses - then on the verge of the 'money' fights, the glory etc - he just abandons him ?

Yeah sure.

If you believe that, I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.

Count me in - do they come with magic mini pork sausages?

Me too ! got any variations with magic mushrooms ?

[MarkMcBurney]

If we are splitting hairs Groves was actually unconscious before he hit the deck in the second fight.

and one of his legs was bent backwards like a stuffed chicken, how do we describe that properly?

As liamlion has said above, he was stopped in the first fight, but NOT 'knocked out' by any stretch of the imagination. Whether you agree or disagree with the stoppage, he wasn't 'knocked out', the 'TKO' stoppage doesn't really work in that situation IMO.

Nobody is arguing about the second fight, in which he was laid out big time.

[whiskey]

Froch vs Groves

The topic that just keeps on giving....

[Davidreed]

That,s not first time that a fighter make a comment in regard of his trainer.

[dbf]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses - then on the verge of the 'money' fights, the glory etc - he just abandons him ?

Yeah sure.

If you believe that, I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.

The point is though that groves said he had abandoned him in the past too. To what extent is unknown but it would suggest that all was not well for some time

[salaambrown]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

[nitro5912]

I think George missed being with booth and went with paddy who worked alongside him for times.

George is a good boxer and can with the right guidance get back in contention, which I think he will get with shane.

I felt after the split he felt he needed just tweaking, then came the "stoppage" and suddenly with just his tweaking he got close to a world title(think he would have won with booth there and not getting caught on the ropes) so stuck with paddy and didn't do anything major before Wembley and walked onto the right of carl and went to sleep like a baby with legs spread like a baby giraffe.

This would prompt an attitude change from most but not George he came again and lost v badou jack which is where I think he has now changed his outlook and gone to a trainer who will work on probably his biggest let down, his stamina and condition. I think 2016 will see George groves get back in the mix for a title shot at somoene

[rhino222]

I think George missed being with booth and went with paddy who worked alongside him for times.

George is a good boxer and can with the right guidance get back in contention, which I think he will get with shane.

I felt after the split he felt he needed just tweaking, then came the "stoppage" and suddenly with just his tweaking he got close to a world title(think he would have won with booth there and not getting caught on the ropes) so stuck with paddy and didn't do anything major before Wembley and walked onto the right of carl and went to sleep like a baby with legs spread like a baby giraffe.

This would prompt an attitude change from most but not George he came again and lost v badou jack which is where I think he has now changed his outlook and gone to a trainer who will work on probably his biggest let down, his stamina and condition. I think 2016 will see George groves get back in the mix for a title shot at somoene

i feel groves needs two wins against quality opposition to earn another 'tilt'. he may well get found out during one of these preparation bouts.

[palooka]

In all honesty when a fighter is talented they seem to think winning a world title should be easy, they forget there's someone else who really wants to win. I think Booth is overrated but I think he allowed Groves to throw shots that came naturally to him - the looping right that got Paul Smith for eg. I think Paddy tried to smooth those shots out of him and straighten everything up, it was a mistake. Groves is very athletic, very quick and powerful and if his head were right he can do well again. I'm fed up of fighters trying to nick fights by doing just a touch more than the other guy - they need to get in there and do their upmost and leave everything in there.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Booth drove George around the country for years, picking up slices of small purses

Wasn't Degale- Groves a record for British title (£400k purse)?

[handsofstone]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Thats not you cock teasing again salaam

[Benelio]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Booth touched him up?

[Counter-puncher]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Christ another spud, fvcking spud-u-lite, that's all we need.

[TheLeprechaun]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Christ another spud, fvcking spud-u-lite, that's all we need.

What a bellend that Spud character was with the I-know-something-you-don't posts.

[salaambrown]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Thats not you cock teasing again salaam

I've heard various things through people who have worked with camp hayemaker/booth/groves.
Adam left George. I know there are 2 sides to the story. But he walked away from George before the first Froch/Groves presser via text.
George never left Adam. Adam's time management was a factor i heard.

[Counter-puncher]

'time management', I hate that phrase.

like, what do you do if Time isn't performing?

stern talking to?

arm round the shoulder, 'come on son you're better than this'?

6-point plan detailing projected improvement?

verbal warning, written warning, final warning, you're on your ear son?

[TheCobra]

Bored with all of it surrounding Groves. If he had issues with Booth then fair enough, that could only explain the first fight preparation being a bit iffy. After that he made his choice, he chose the bellend with the daft hat cos he was a yes man, and got beat again, twice.

Stop making excuses now George, head down and get some fuckin wins.

I don't wana hear from the man again until he does something noteworthy in a boxing ring.

[black panther]

Most of you probably aren't aware but George Groves was knocked out by a fighter called Carl Froch in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley stadium. He hasn't been the same since that fight.

I blame George Groves.

[ElJefe]

Bored with all of it surrounding Groves. If he had issues with Booth then fair enough, that could only explain the first fight preparation being a bit iffy. After that he made his choice, he chose the bellend with the daft hat cos he was a yes man, and got beat again, twice.

Stop making excuses now George, head down and get some fuckin wins.

I don't wana hear from the man again until he does something noteworthy in a boxing ring.

Wish Groves all the best but I agree with a lot of this. The way he tried to come across as knowing something that nobody else did in the Froch fights made me cringe. Don't really like the way he seemed to shift the blame for the Jack loss to his trainer either, especially when at the same time he says he won that fight. If he truly won the fight then surely the judges were to blame and not Paddy Fitzpatrick?

Either way, he needs to get a few wins under his belt against solid fighters such as Stieglitz, Sturm, Murray or Bute before he's fighting for another title in my opinion.

[johnswan1]

There is a surprising story behind the whole debacle. Possibly a factor to why Haye also left later,

Thats not you cock teasing again salaam

I've heard various things through people who have worked with camp hayemaker/booth/groves.
Adam left George. I know there are 2 sides to the story. But he walked away from George before the first Froch/Groves presser via text.
George never left Adam. Adam's time management was a factor i heard.

If Booth's time management was a problem, where does George think he's going to fit in the pecking order at McGuigan's gym when Frampton and Haye are there?

[salaambrown]

Thats not you cock teasing again salaam

I've heard various things through people who have worked with camp hayemaker/booth/groves.
Adam left George. I know there are 2 sides to the story. But he walked away from George before the first Froch/Groves presser via text.
George never left Adam. Adam's time management was a factor i heard.

If Booth's time management was a problem, where does George think he's going to fit in the pecking order at McGuigan's gym when Frampton and Haye are there?

It seemed to me the time management was not directly regarding other fighters. It was more to do with being trained by other coaches when he wanted to be trained by Booth. Rightly so, as Booth takes a percentage of the purse.