What if? #2

fightfan95 · Post by **fightfan95** » 19 Feb 2016, 09:05

I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

NateJR · Post by **NateJR** » 19 Feb 2016, 09:41

fightfan95 wrote:I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

Tough call, I'm leaning towards Haye being too slick for spinks. Haye UD.

I'll probably be in the minority, but I believe Floyd would win. I see Floyd forcing Leonard to be the aggressor and falling into traps all night. Floyd IMO is the better boxer and would have been too smart to mix it up with the equally as quick and bigger guy in Leonard, I just don't see Leonard being effective against Floy in the middle of the ring, Leonard was a absolute sucker for counter right hands.

I haven't watched enough Louis fights to have a opinion on this fight. What I have seen of him, he was plotter and kind of stuff, not sure how he would have handled the long jab of Lewis.

Huck is fan friendly but very limited.. Not even sure who Nelson is, but I'm sure he'd have what it takes to beat Huck lol.

I have a hard time picking anyone to beat a prime Jones Jr.. Ward is no exception, no one could have handled the unbelievable athleticism odlf a prime Jones Jr..

By the way this auto correct makes posting a bitch.

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 19 Feb 2016, 09:52

NateJR wrote: Tough call, I'm leaning towards Haye being too slick for spinks. Haye UD.

I'll probably be in the minority, but I believe Floyd would win. I see Floyd forcing Leonard to be the aggressor and falling into traps all night. Floyd IMO is the better boxer and would have been too smart to mix it up with the equally as quick and bigger guy in Leonard, I just don't see Leonard being effective against Floy in the middle of the ring, Leonard was a absolute sucker for counter right hands.

I haven't watched enough Louis fights to have a opinion on this fight. What I have seen of him, he was plotter and kind of stuff, not sure how he would have handled the long jab of Lewis.

Huck is fan friendly but very limited.. Not even sure who Nelson is, but I'm sure he'd have what it takes to beat Huck lol.

I have a hard time picking anyone to beat a prime Jones Jr.. Ward is no exception, no one could have handled the unbelievable athleticism odlf a prime Jones Jr..

By the way this auto correct makes posting a bitch.

You haven't seen Johnny 'The Entertainer' Nelson? My friend, you are missing out, I suggest you seek out some of his fights on YouTube and educate yourself pronto. His war with Carlos De Leon would be a great starting point. Don't forget to report back to us

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 10:24

fightfan95 wrote:I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

1) David Haye v Michael Spinks. Spinks by wide UD. Spinks' awkward style would be a puzzle for Haye

2) Sugar Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Mayweather by SD. I think Floyd would lose to Hearns, Duran and Hagler, but his style would give tons of problems for Leonard

3) Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis. Joe Louis by brutal KO

4) Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson. Huck by close decision

5) Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward. Jones by close but clear UD

stevedoc · Post by **stevedoc** » 19 Feb 2016, 11:04

fightfan95 wrote:I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

spinks points
SRL...points
lewis..just to big
huck.....
jones...

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 11:31

stevedoc wrote:
fightfan95 wrote:I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

spinks points
SRL...points
lewis..just to big
huck.....
jones...

Louis beat guys who were bigger than Lewis. Of course they weren't as skilled as Lewis was, but had Lewis ever fought a guy who was as good as Joe Luis? No, nobody of Lewis' opponents was even close to prime Joe Louis. Old washed up Holyfield was Lewis best opponent ever, and Louis was much better than that version of Holyfield in every single component of boxing (power, speed, skills, work rate, stamina) besides chin. Mind here that Holyfield wasn't a giant (he was just 0,5 inches taller than Louis) and being 37 y.o. washed up fighter he gave prime Lewis a hell in the rematch and arguably beat him.

chucktaylor · Post by **chucktaylor** » 19 Feb 2016, 14:58

Boxerbeetle wrote:
NateJR wrote: Tough call, I'm leaning towards Haye being too slick for spinks. Haye UD.

I'll probably be in the minority, but I believe Floyd would win. I see Floyd forcing Leonard to be the aggressor and falling into traps all night. Floyd IMO is the better boxer and would have been too smart to mix it up with the equally as quick and bigger guy in Leonard, I just don't see Leonard being effective against Floy in the middle of the ring, Leonard was a absolute sucker for counter right hands.

I haven't watched enough Louis fights to have a opinion on this fight. What I have seen of him, he was plotter and kind of stuff, not sure how he would have handled the long jab of Lewis.

Huck is fan friendly but very limited.. Not even sure who Nelson is, but I'm sure he'd have what it takes to beat Huck lol.

I have a hard time picking anyone to beat a prime Jones Jr.. Ward is no exception, no one could have handled the unbelievable athleticism odlf a prime Jones Jr..

By the way this auto correct makes posting a bitch.
You haven't seen Johnny 'The Entertainer' Nelson? My friend, you are missing out, I suggest you seek out some of his fights on YouTube and educate yourself pronto. His war with Carlos De Leon would be a great starting point. Don't forget to report back to us

So cheeky

Monte Fisto · Post by **Monte Fisto** » 19 Feb 2016, 15:06

fightfan95 wrote:I made a list the other day and it got a few replies and caused discussions so I've put another list together (and again at their prime)

David Haye v Michael Spinks
Suga Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Joe Louis v Lennox Lewis
Marco Huck v Johnny Nelson
Roy Jones, Jr v Andre Ward

Haye
Leonard
Lewis
Huck
Jones

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 19 Feb 2016, 15:42

Spinks
Leonard (very close fight. Leonard having more wrinkles to his game can win)
Joe Louis
Huck (very close fight)
Jones

conty22 · Post by **conty22** » 19 Feb 2016, 16:20

Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever.

He could fight any style. He had awesome hooks and upercuts for a tall guy

Grabimir Clinschko and Fury are both joke compare to Lennox.

Lennox even at his worst tkoed another hall of famer Vitali.

Guys like Ali and Holmes lost when they were 38 years old and he won against hall of fame fighter and dominant champ

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 16:35

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 16:39

conty22 wrote:Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever

Louis never had any problems against big guys. In fact, Louis' fights against his tallest opponents (guys who were bigger than Lewis) were probably his eaiest ones, while Lewis was knocked out twice by two 6'2'' (same height as Louis) guys who were like 3 classes below Louis. Also 6'1'' old, inactive and overweight Ray Mercer arguably beat him.

Joe Louis would KO Lennox Lewis.

conty22 · Post by **conty22** » 19 Feb 2016, 17:48

Boxing Writer wrote:
conty22 wrote:Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever
Louis never had any problems against big guys. In fact, Louis' fights against his tallest opponents (guys who were bigger than Lewis) were probably his eaiest ones, while Lewis was knocked out twice by two 6'2'' (same height as Louis) guys who were like 3 classes below Louis. Also 6'1'' old, inactive and overweight Ray Mercer arguably beat him.

Joe Louis would KO Lennox Lewis.

Joe Luis was about 210-215lbs lmao. It was a different era. Boxers in old times had much better chin . But their technic and everything was not good at all.

Lewis just got a flash ko against Rahman . He was leading on points and he did not get dominated like Tyson against Douglas.

Lewis won rematch with a style.

196 cm 245 lbs Lewis with his long reach would beat 188 cm long Luis.

It was a different in old times.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 18:20

conty22 wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:
conty22 wrote:Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever
Louis never had any problems against big guys. In fact, Louis' fights against his tallest opponents (guys who were bigger than Lewis) were probably his eaiest ones, while Lewis was knocked out twice by two 6'2'' (same height as Louis) guys who were like 3 classes below Louis. Also 6'1'' old, inactive and overweight Ray Mercer arguably beat him.

Joe Louis would KO Lennox Lewis.
Joe Luis was about 210-215lbs lmao. It was a different era. Boxers in old times had much better chin . But their technic and everything was not good at all.

Lewis just got a flash ko against Rahman . He was leading on points and he did not get dominated like Tyson against Douglas.

Lewis won rematch with a style.

196 cm 245 lbs Lewis with his long reach would beat 188 cm long Luis.

It was a different in old times.

Flash KO? LOL That knock out was as clean and clear as they come. And it was the only Rahman's one punch KO against top-100 opponent in his entire career.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 19 Feb 2016, 18:27

conty22 wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:
conty22 wrote:Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever
Louis never had any problems against big guys. In fact, Louis' fights against his tallest opponents (guys who were bigger than Lewis) were probably his eaiest ones, while Lewis was knocked out twice by two 6'2'' (same height as Louis) guys who were like 3 classes below Louis. Also 6'1'' old, inactive and overweight Ray Mercer arguably beat him.

Joe Louis would KO Lennox Lewis.
Joe Luis was about 210-215lbs lmao.

37 y.o., washed up, well past prime Holyfield gave prime Lennox Lewis a hell in their rematch. He was about the same size as Joe Louis, but didn't have his speed, his work rate, his stamina and his power. And if you think that 235 lbs Rahman hit harder than 215 lbs Louis, I have some questions for you. Who in your opinion hit harder:

320 lbs Valuev or 210 lbs David Haye?
285 lbs Ustinov or 225 lbs Deontay Wilder?
250-260 lbs Tyson Fury or 215 lbs prime Mike Tyson?
250-260 lbs Michael Grant or 225 lbs prime David Tua?
220 lbs Vyacheslav Glazkov or 175 lbs Vyacheslav Shabranskyy?

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Feb 2016, 10:03

Double post, please delete.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Feb 2016, 10:03

Spinks TKO6 Haye - Spink's superior stamina and workrate are a hurdle Haye can't beat
Leonard UD12 Mayweather - lopsided decision, I can't really see a scenario where Floyd could possibly win this one
Louis TKO7 Lewis - toughest call so far, Louis was better, but a focused Lewis was very hard to beat and is much bigger
Haven't watched enough of Huck and Nelson to make a call
Jones Jr UD12 Ward - competitive decision, 116-112 type scorecards

ClivePatrickLyons · Post by **ClivePatrickLyons** » 22 Feb 2016, 20:30

Michael Spinks wins un dec a shutout David Haye
Sugar Ray Leonard wins un dec Floyd Mayweather
Joe Louis wins Tko 12 Lennox Lewis
Johnny Nelson wins un dec Marco Huck
Roy Jones Jr wins close un dec Andre Ward

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 23 Feb 2016, 13:46

Haye and Spinks at cruiser (yes, I know Spinks didn't fight at cruiser) would be closer than HW, either way Haye is too big, too powerful and too fast for Spinks.
PBF would wait 6 years until Leonard was past it then score a boring IVUD.
Louis v Lewis in the modern era, Lewis all the way. Send the big man back to 1941 and have him fight 5, 6, 7 times a year and things would probably be different though.
Johnny Nelson had an abysmal workrate which is why he lost on points so often. Huck UD.
RJJ at his best beats just about everyone at M and SM. RJJ UD.

Larrylefthook · Post by **Larrylefthook** » 23 Feb 2016, 19:03

conty22 wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:
conty22 wrote:Lewis beats Luis .. Too big and heavy. Lewis is one of the most completed tall fighters ever
Louis never had any problems against big guys. In fact, Louis' fights against his tallest opponents (guys who were bigger than Lewis) were probably his eaiest ones, while Lewis was knocked out twice by two 6'2'' (same height as Louis) guys who were like 3 classes below Louis. Also 6'1'' old, inactive and overweight Ray Mercer arguably beat him.

Joe Louis would KO Lennox Lewis.
Joe Luis was about 210-215lbs lmao. It was a different era. Boxers in old times had much better chin . But their technic and everything was not good at all.

Lewis just got a flash ko against Rahman . He was leading on points and he did not get dominated like Tyson against Douglas.

Lewis won rematch with a style.

196 cm 245 lbs Lewis with his long reach would beat 188 cm long Luis.

It was a different in old times.

Not worth debating with him about Lewis as he absolutely hates him. Very impartial for a "boxing writer".

Larrylefthook · Post by **Larrylefthook** » 23 Feb 2016, 19:04

Taki... wrote:Haye and Spinks at cruiser (yes, I know Spinks didn't fight at cruiser) would be closer than HW, either way Haye is too big, too powerful and too fast for Spinks.
PBF would wait 6 years until Leonard was past it then score a boring IVUD.
Louis v Lewis in the modern era, Lewis all the way. Send the big man back to 1941 and have him fight 5, 6, 7 times a year and things would probably be different though.
Johnny Nelson had an abysmal workrate which is why he lost on points so often. Huck UD.
RJJ at his best beats just about everyone at M and SM. RJJ UD.

Agree with everything

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