Errol Spence jr. vs Chris Algieri - good fight?

[gilgamesh]

Spence will definitely beat Algieri. I won't go as far as Saad and say he'd beat Brook if they fought tomorrow, but I believe that yes he wants those kinds of fights to prove himself.

I look forward to the Algieri fight.

Why are you looking forward to a fight when you already know it is a mismatch?

I don't know it's a mismatch. Spence has never beaten a fighter as good as Algieri. I think he will, but he ain't done it until he's done it.

[Lancenix]

Spence will definitely beat Algieri. I won't go as far as Saad and say he'd beat Brook if they fought tomorrow, but I believe that yes he wants those kinds of fights to prove himself.

I look forward to the Algieri fight.

Why are you looking forward to a fight when you already know it is a mismatch?

I don't know it's a mismatch. Spence has never beaten a fighter as good as Algieri. I think he will, but he ain't done it until he's done it.

You said Spence will definitely win. Sounds like a mismatch to me. And I agree on paper that is quite a mismatch.

[gilgamesh]

That's why they fight the fights Lancenix. I said Wlad would definitely beat Fury. I thought Caballero would definitely beat Jason Litzau. I thought Chris Arreola would definitely beat Bermane Stiverne (the first time).

Thinking that's what is going to happen, doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. No matter how strongly you think it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'd love to see that but until he actually beats some one I see no point to him. 20 pro fights and he will have zero quality wins even with a win over Algeri. Algeri got a gift against Provodnikov and took a beating vs. Pac man and Kahn. 26 years old and slowly tugging himself along. Until he starts beating people what is the point?

Ok cupcake.

A cupcake would be a good description of Spence's boxing resume. I am glad you finally had something substantive to add. Instead of your usual horsefeed.

it's a proper description of your life. A useless bitch that trolls on message boards for fun. You'll never get laid, good luck, cupcake.

[Larrylefthook]

But he didn't stay down.

Algieri has been in with tougher, faster and greater boxers than Spence. This is a good test for Errol that he should pass impressively. But Algieri is not an easy out.

So? Khan kept getting up against Danny Garcia and was on his feet when the ref waved it off but he has an awful chin. Its the recovery power that got him back up not his chin. If he had a good chin he wouldn't have been down 7/8 times.

He's been in with The Provoglodyte, Pac and Khan without being stopped. That suggests that he has at minimum a decent beard.

Who has Khan ever dropped by hitting someone on the chin? He drops people by body shots. Pac didn't drop him with thunderbolts and Pac hast dropped anyone for about 6 years.

Algieri doesn't have a bad chin but I wouldn't say he has a good one.

[Tanzio]

So? Khan kept getting up against Danny Garcia and was on his feet when the ref waved it off but he has an awful chin. Its the recovery power that got him back up not his chin. If he had a good chin he wouldn't have been down 7/8 times.

He's been in with The Provoglodyte, Pac and Khan without being stopped. That suggests that he has at minimum a decent beard.

Who has Khan ever dropped by hitting someone on the chin? He drops people by body shots. Pac didn't drop him with thunderbolts and Pac hast dropped anyone for about 6 years.

Algieri doesn't have a bad chin but I wouldn't say he has a good one.

So you agree with me.

[Larrylefthook]

I thought I read a while back that Algieri turned this fight down? Anyway, good fight. CA has a good chin so we will find out how good. Spence has a good body attack also among other attributes. If Spence can stop him I will be impressed. There must be a reason why Khan, Thurman, and other "top guys" want no part of Spence.

Huh? He was up and down like a yoyo against Pacquiao.

But he didn't stay down.

Algieri has been in with tougher, faster and greater boxers than Spence. This is a good test for Errol that he should pass impressively. But Algieri is not an easy out.

So you was originally agreeing with me that he doesn't have a good chin? As in not above average.

[Tanzio]

Huh? He was up and down like a yoyo against Pacquiao.

But he didn't stay down.

Algieri has been in with tougher, faster and greater boxers than Spence. This is a good test for Errol that he should pass impressively. But Algieri is not an easy out.

So you was originally agreeing with me that he doesn't have a good chin? As in not above average.

Where did I ever say that he has more than a decent chin at that level?

The Provoglodyte, Pac, and Khan all hit Algieri with shots that would stop someone with less than a decent chin at world level.

[Badhusker]

If you can go 24 rounds with Pac and Provo and end up on your feet, I would say your chin is just fine, and above average. I think Spence will show he is better than anyone CA has fought. I think Spence will prove eventually that he is the best welter out there. Strong statement I know, but we will find out in the next year or two. If he gets to be Brook's mandatory, it will be interesting to see if Brook fights him or moves up.

[koolkc107]

If you can go 24 rounds with Pac and Provo and end up on your feet, I would say your chin is just fine, and above average. I think Spence will show he is better than anyone CA has fought. I think Spence will prove eventually that he is the best welter out there. Strong statement I know, but we will find out in the next year or two. If he gets to be Brook's mandatory, it will be interesting to see if Brook fights him or moves up.

I agree.

I know folks are going to give me all kinds of crap for saying this, but it is true:

Spence is technically better right now than those three (Provo, Pac, Khan) were when they fought Chris.

When Errol gets Algieri hurt, you can bet that will be the beginning of a certain end.

Kid knows when and how to finish.

Algieri will be him serving notice as to exactly who he is: Floyd and Pac's heir.

[Larrylefthook]

But he didn't stay down.

Algieri has been in with tougher, faster and greater boxers than Spence. This is a good test for Errol that he should pass impressively. But Algieri is not an easy out.

So you was originally agreeing with me that he doesn't have a good chin? As in not above average.

Where did I ever say that he has more than a decent chin at that level?

The Provoglodyte, Pac, and Khan all hit Algieri with shots that would stop someone with less than a decent chin at world level.

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

[Tanzio]

So you was originally agreeing with me that he doesn't have a good chin? As in not above average.

Where did I ever say that he has more than a decent chin at that level?

The Provoglodyte, Pac, and Khan all hit Algieri with shots that would stop someone with less than a decent chin at world level.

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

All I said was that Algieri kept getting up. If Algieri did not have a decent chin at the highest level he would have been KTFO by all three, no matter their KO % at the top level.

Ramming Speed was closer to being KTFO by The Provoglodyte than Algieri has been in any of those three fights.

[koolkc107]

Where did I ever say that he has more than a decent chin at that level?

The Provoglodyte, Pac, and Khan all hit Algieri with shots that would stop someone with less than a decent chin at world level.

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

All I said was that Algieri kept getting up. If Algieri did not have a decent chin at the highest level he would have been KTFO by all three, no matter their KO % at the top level.

Ramming Speed was closer to being KTFO by The Provoglodyte than Algieri has been in any of those three fights.

I am not so sure about some of this Tanzio.

With Provo, it was clear he missed the chance to finish Chris because of his lack of skill, not Chris's chin.

With Manny, I think Pac was trying to get work in and really didn't care to take any risk at all-
if the stoppage came it came but he wasn't going to press it and risk anything.

And, I don't think Khan came anywhere close to seriously hurting Chris, nevermind stopping him.

And yes, I agree that Provo had HeadQuarters in more trouble than he had Chris.
But that is more about the respective shots Provo got in than the respective chins of
Tim and Chris.

Algieri was boxing Provo and took one flush shot, one he saw coming as it was a counter to his own shot.
It put him down, he got up and was till hurt then got put down again by an uppercut
that squeezed through his gloves, I think. He got up, boxed better and avoided any more serious trouble.
Continued to get hit solid though. Lost in my book, but the judges gave it to him.

In Tim case, Bradley got hit by a barrage of clean shots he left himself open for by trying to brawl with Provo.
He absorbed many more hard shots from Ruslan than Chris did, and perhaps the fight should have been stopped.
But since it wasn't, it gave Bradley a chance to come back, which he did in such a savage and brutal fashion that
Freddie Roach admitted after the fight to seriously contemplating throwing in the towel because
he didn't want to see Ruslan continue to take the beating he was getting.

Trust me when I tell you Algieri's chin is nowhere near the class of Tim's.

[Tanzio]

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

All I said was that Algieri kept getting up. If Algieri did not have a decent chin at the highest level he would have been KTFO by all three, no matter their KO % at the top level.

Ramming Speed was closer to being KTFO by The Provoglodyte than Algieri has been in any of those three fights.

I am not so sure about some of this Tanzio.

With Provo, it was clear he missed the chance to finish Chris because of his lack of skill, not Chris's chin.

With Manny, I think Pac was trying to get work in and really didn't care to take any risk at all-
if the stoppage came it came but he wasn't going to press it and risk anything.

And, I don't think Khan came anywhere close to seriously hurting Chris, nevermind stopping him.

And yes, I agree that Provo had HeadQuarters in more trouble than he had Chris.
But that is more about the respective shots Provo got in than the respective chins of
Tim and Chris.

Algieri was boxing Provo and took one flush shot, one he saw coming as it was a counter to his own shot.
It put him down, he got up and was till hurt then got put down again by an uppercut
that squeezed through his gloves, I think. He got up, boxed better and avoided any more serious trouble.
Continued to get hit solid though. Lost in my book, but the judges gave it to him.

In Tim case, Bradley got hit by a barrage of clean shots he left himself open for by trying to brawl with Provo.
He absorbed many more hard shots from Ruslan than Chris did, and perhaps the fight should have been stopped.
But since it wasn't, it gave Bradley a chance to come back, which he did in such a savage and brutal fashion that
Freddie Roach admitted after the fight to seriously contemplating throwing in the towel because
he didn't want to see Ruslan continue to take the beating he was getting.

Trust me when I tell you Algieri's chin is nowhere near the class of Tim's.

I don't disagree with much of this beyond the fact that what saved Algieri v The Provoglodyte was Algieri's intelligent choice to take a knee rather than stand and fight, early. From then on Algieri controlled that ring. I think that it could have gone either way and I had no problem with Algieri getting the nod in that fight.

Ramming Speed did not have the same ring smarts early v The Provoglodyte and he was actually saved by the ref early on. I also thought that fight was very close, thanks to the KDs, and I would have had no problem with the Russian getting the nod, although I do think that Tim shaded him, with that early assist from the official.

[koolkc107]

We basically agree on a lot here.

[Lancenix]

Ok cupcake.

A cupcake would be a good description of Spence's boxing resume. I am glad you finally had something substantive to add. Instead of your usual horsefeed.

it's a proper description of your life. A useless bitch that trolls on message boards for fun. You'll never get laid, good luck, cupcake.

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

[Kingfield]

A cupcake would be a good description of Spence's boxing resume. I am glad you finally had something substantive to add. Instead of your usual horsefeed.

it's a proper description of your life. A useless bitch that trolls on message boards for fun. You'll never get laid, good luck, cupcake.

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

Amazing. Can't beat a good old internet fight offer!

[Lancenix]

it's a proper description of your life. A useless bitch that trolls on message boards for fun. You'll never get laid, good luck, cupcake.

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

Amazing. Can't beat a good old internet fight offer!

Knowledge or actual boxing I would take you either way buddy. See that is the difference between you and me you like to talk boxing but you would never dare get in the ring. Even with headgear. I have done it and n=know what it is all about. You can laugh if you want because you have never stepped in and never will.

[Kingfield]

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

Amazing. Can't beat a good old internet fight offer!

Knowledge or actual boxing I would take you either way buddy. See that is the difference between you and me you like to talk boxing but you would never dare get in the ring. Even with headgear. I have done it and n=know what it is all about. You can laugh if you want because you have never stepped in and never will.

I think you're talking to the wrong person.

But just for the record i've stepped in the ring.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

it's a proper description of your life. A useless bitch that trolls on message boards for fun. You'll never get laid, good luck, cupcake.

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

Amazing. Can't beat a good old internet fight offer!

yes, I'm sure she is vicious.

[Tanzio]

That's what your mouth says but I would gladly fight you in the ring. Talk is cheap.

Amazing. Can't beat a good old internet fight offer!

yes, I'm sure she is vicious.

Poodle with a Mohawk comes to mind.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Whatever it may be, there is no refuting that he will never get laid.

[Larrylefthook]

Where did I ever say that he has more than a decent chin at that level?

The Provoglodyte, Pac, and Khan all hit Algieri with shots that would stop someone with less than a decent chin at world level.

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

All I said was that Algieri kept getting up. If Algieri did not have a decent chin at the highest level he would have been KTFO by all three, no matter their KO % at the top level.

Ramming Speed was closer to being KTFO by The Provoglodyte than Algieri has been in any of those three fights.

Well yeh I saw he got up he did it many times, thanks for reminding me. I guess you think Khan has a decent chin too as he kept getting up after taking Garcia's shots, and those were more powerful then the ones CA took in his KD's.

[gilgamesh]

Well yeh I saw he got up he did it my times, thanks for reminding me. I guess you think Khan has a decent chin too as he kept getting up after taking Garcia's shots, and those were more powerful then the ones CA took in his KD's.

Nah Khan's chin is weak, but he definitely showed a lot of heart against Garcia. He was out on his feet the entire 4th round, and made it about 2 minutes in. That's pretty astonishing really. He was fighting on pure instinct.

He showed a lot of heart to get through spots against Maidana too.

[Tanzio]

You seemed to be disagreeing with me when I had a problem with someone describing him having a good chin...

Haha are you kidding me? Did you watch the Khan fight? Khan has never stopped anyone on the chin. Watch the Pac fight and your see Pac didn't drop him with massive shots.

All I said was that Algieri kept getting up. If Algieri did not have a decent chin at the highest level he would have been KTFO by all three, no matter their KO % at the top level.

Ramming Speed was closer to being KTFO by The Provoglodyte than Algieri has been in any of those three fights.

Well yeh I saw he got up he did it my times, thanks for reminding me. I guess you think Khan has a decent chin too as he kept getting up after taking Garcia's shots, and those were more powerful then the ones CA took in his KD's.

I do think that Khan is too game for his own good at times. He needs to learn to take a knee. He reminds me a lot of Hearns when he would get clipped. They keep their feet for too long after their heads are in the land of twitch. By that time there is no mind to think "take a knee."