man wrote:Chepppaaa wrote:give me an honest answer, just why?
all 3 super boring, all 3 super arrogant, no personality. so why make threads about guys like this, i'd rather watch golf or something even more boring than those bore-gods. i just dont get it.
ducking, holding, avoiding, cheating, head butting, leaning over, running....this is what they brought too boxing, realy

....why pay attention
well, why do you like these threads so much
that you do not only participate in them, but
actively promote by starting them?
He got you there, Chepster.
Why are you the leading poster of this stuff if you are so against it?
I understand you don't like holding.
No one does.
But when a lot of holding takes place in a bout, I don't simply blame the guy doing it
It is almost always more than that.
Sometimes a fighter is leading with his head, all the time.
I can't blame a fighter from reaching out and stopping that.
Also, some refs are just that bad. Can't blame a fighter for that.
But most of the time you see a lot of holding, the fault can be found in both corners.
If the fighter doesn't complain, and his corner doesn't complain then part of it is on them.
If they do complain, and the ref gives a good reason for allowing it- leading with the head,
using football-like rush in tactics, a guy illegally trying to foul inside- then it is up to the corner
and fighter to adjust so they are not the ones creating the situation.
The fighters you are talking about are among the many masters at bending these rules.
Ali and Holmes did it too. Lennox as well. Calzaghe elevated it to high art in some fights.
Holding is not a foul. Excessive holding is.