Bruno return

[ImranSarwar]

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Absolutely right.

For all Bruno's much vaunted power, he barely made a dent in any of the world class opponents he fought, let alone knocked them out.

A truly world class puncher will always have some world class scalps on his resume.

Hmmm. I think buckling Tyson in the first round in 89 more than speaks for Bruno's power. He was clearly a big hitter.

This is an exaggeration..... People remember the moment with too much nostalgia and this warps people's remembrance.... Due a lot to the 'get in there Frank' commentary and the fact that at the time Tyson was considered impregnable.

The reality is that Bruno hit Tyson with a near perfect shot, and made him stagger *slightly* but apart from that half second, Bruno effectively copped a beating from a largely troubled and unmotivated Tyson....

This is how I've always viewed it.

He hit a reckless & on-rushing Tyson with a perfect shot, but Tyson's knee only buckled slightly & he was back on top of Bruno in an instant.

That is the extent of Bruno's world class punching power.

Bruno undoubtedly was a hurtful puncher, but I've never been convinced he was a world class puncher.

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

[dookus]

Hmmm. I think buckling Tyson in the first round in 89 more than speaks for Bruno's power. He was clearly a big hitter.

This is an exaggeration..... People remember the moment with too much nostalgia and this warps people's remembrance.... Due a lot to the 'get in there Frank' commentary and the fact that at the time Tyson was considered impregnable.

The reality is that Bruno hit Tyson with a near perfect shot, and made him stagger *slightly* but apart from that half second, Bruno effectively copped a beating from a largely troubled and unmotivated Tyson....

This is how I've always viewed it.

He hit a reckless & on-rushing Tyson with a perfect shot, but Tyson's knee only buckled slightly & he was back on top of Bruno in an instant.

That is the extent of Bruno's world class punching power.

Bruno undoubtedly was a hurtful puncher, but I've never been convinced he was a world class puncher.

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson has been quoted on more than one occasion as saying that Bruno's shot was the most he was ever hurt from a single punch. I will try and find a quote.

[dookus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 216875.stm

Tyson in 1991:

At the end of the first round, Bruno threw a right hand that shook Tyson.

Carpenter asked him two years later if he recalled it and Tyson replied: "Remember it? Man, no one's ever hit me as hard.

"Not even Buster Douglas. I blacked out. I'm not kidding."

[Controversial]

jamesmcdonnell, thank you for your reply. YOU/ tobyh5 -&- reggaereggae seem like "good team"!
: ) "Honestly!"
Since I am NOT in England..I can't know really to what extent "ALL THIS TALK (HERE) IS ABOUT ABOUT FRANK being -bipolar- & s.o!......" but...one thing that the arbitrators SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS THAT MAN HIMSELF! &..if I was on that board I would be asking him questions, LIKE..How far he sees this going for. Stuff like that!
They probably have a few Doctor types present.
I never know hides nor heels about FRANK BRUNO have "mental health issues" until I read about that here! What does his FRIENDS SAY about him?
Maybe his CIRCLE is TOO BIG & he CAN'T RELATE TO EVERYONE AS HE LIKE and it tend to have him come off looking like a "Talking Horse" [you know, like MR. ED the Talking Horse Show. You have that in England, too?]
He could definietly WIN-A-FEW FIGHTS! They probably like to make him against Riddick Bowe and/or Razor Ruddock!

Here's a documentary his daughter made a few years ago about his mental health problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVLKv8JBT8

I haven't read through previous posts but he has now said he won't fight again and his real fight is with bipolar

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... polar.html

[Rexob]

jamesmcdonnell, thank you for your reply. YOU/ tobyh5 -&- reggaereggae seem like "good team"!
: ) "Honestly!"
Since I am NOT in England..I can't know really to what extent "ALL THIS TALK (HERE) IS ABOUT ABOUT FRANK being -bipolar- & s.o!......" but...one thing that the arbitrators SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS THAT MAN HIMSELF! &..if I was on that board I would be asking him questions, LIKE..How far he sees this going for. Stuff like that!
They probably have a few Doctor types present.
I never know hides nor heels about FRANK BRUNO have "mental health issues" until I read about that here! What does his FRIENDS SAY about him?
Maybe his CIRCLE is TOO BIG & he CAN'T RELATE TO EVERYONE AS HE LIKE and it tend to have him come off looking like a "Talking Horse" [you know, like MR. ED the Talking Horse Show. You have that in England, too?]
He could definietly WIN-A-FEW FIGHTS! They probably like to make him against Riddick Bowe and/or Razor Ruddock!

Here's a documentary his daughter made a few years ago about his mental health problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVLKv8JBT8

I haven't read through previous posts but he has now said he won't fight again and his real fight is with a bi polar bear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... polar.html

[ImranSarwar]

^ ^ Thank you! I'll watch it.

[ImranSarwar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 216875.stm

Tyson in 1991:

At the end of the first round, Bruno threw a right hand that shook Tyson.

Carpenter asked him two years later if he recalled it and Tyson replied: "Remember it? Man, no one's ever hit me as hard.

"Not even Buster Douglas. I blacked out. I'm not kidding."

Thanks dookus! Did you notice about the story how.. the writer mistakenly called-it that Frank stunned MT at their #2. Still though he called the year, '89.

[reggaereggae]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 216875.stm

Tyson in 1991:

At the end of the first round, Bruno threw a right hand that shook Tyson.

Carpenter asked him two years later if he recalled it and Tyson replied: "Remember it? Man, no one's ever hit me as hard.

"Not even Buster Douglas. I blacked out. I'm not kidding."

Thanks dookus! Did you notice about the story how.. the writer mistakenly called-it that Frank stunned MT at their #2. Still though he called the year, '89.

He's just being polite. Tyson can actually be self deprecating and quite charming when he's in the mood.... Watch the video

[Redback Rasta]

Thankfully I think this talk of a Bruno comeback will all fizzle into nothing.

If it makes him feel good hitting the pads with a trainer in the gym, terrific. But looking at where he is at in that video he made with Hatton, he is a million miles away from being competitive.

[Controversial]

Thankfully I think this talk of a Bruno comeback will all fizzle into nothing.

If it makes him feel good hitting the pads with a trainer in the gym, terrific. But looking at where he is at in that video he made with Hatton, he is a million miles away from being competitive.

The link a few posts above shows his comeback is over, thank god. The man isn't well, I wish him well.

[Tuan_Jim]

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

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Witherspoon said Bruno was the hardest puncher he ever fought

[Rexob]

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

He was a big puncher but was managed brilliantly throughout his career, making some of his wins better than they were.

[Redback Rasta]

Thankfully I think this talk of a Bruno comeback will all fizzle into nothing.

If it makes him feel good hitting the pads with a trainer in the gym, terrific. But looking at where he is at in that video he made with Hatton, he is a million miles away from being competitive.

The link a few posts above shows his comeback is over, thank god. The man isn't well, I wish him well.

[Controversial]

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

Yep. The difference I think is Bruno was quite slow and his punch variety wasn't so great so often his opponents could prepare themselves for the punch. Tyson was so quick, had two fisted power and punched in combinations which often caught guys off guard. Bruno was very heavy handed, probably as hard as Tyson punch for punch.

[Tuan_Jim]

As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

Yep. The difference I think is Bruno was quite slow and his punch variety wasn't so great so often his opponents could prepare themselves for the punch. Tyson was so quick, had two fisted power and punched in combinations which often caught guys off guard. Bruno was very heavy handed, probably as hard as Tyson punch for punch.

Yes, Tyson was simply too fast and wizard-like in his ability for a standup, conventional boxer like Bruno. The footage of Tyson on the pads with Rooney is just amazing to watch. Not an easy man to hit, hurt and especially beat. Bruno did well to ring his bell.

[Controversial]

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

Yep. The difference I think is Bruno was quite slow and his punch variety wasn't so great so often his opponents could prepare themselves for the punch. Tyson was so quick, had two fisted power and punched in combinations which often caught guys off guard. Bruno was very heavy handed, probably as hard as Tyson punch for punch.

Yes, Tyson was simply too fast and wizard-like in his ability for a standup, conventional boxer like Bruno. The footage of Tyson on the pads with Rooney is just amazing to watch. Not an easy man to hit, hurt and especially beat. Bruno did well to ring his bell.

Thats why it always makes me laugh when people say Bruno had a glass jaw, apart from the flash knockdown in the opening seconds of their first fight he never went down again and took some absolute bombs from Tyson. I can't think of any other Tyson opponent who took so many punches without dropping.

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As I have repeatedly said, he never even floored a world class opponent, let alone knocked one out & the only world class opponent he did beat was on points, although, to be fair to Bruno, that world class opponent probably had the greatest chin in the history of HW boxing.

Tyson was down only once in his prime, Lewis down twice in his whole career, Spoon in his prime down thrice in one fight [where he was less than focussed], Bonecrusher down zero times in his prime, McCall down never.

Clearly, these men were difficult to put on the floor. What's also clear is that Bruno's power made an impact on all of them.

What he did to Coetzee and Ribalta showed serious power. And to mangle Ferguson in a round is impressive. Bashed Coetzer. That he was a puncher is obvious.

Yep. The difference I think is Bruno was quite slow and his punch variety wasn't so great so often his opponents could prepare themselves for the punch. Tyson was so quick, had two fisted power and punched in combinations which often caught guys off guard. Bruno was very heavy handed, probably as hard as Tyson punch for punch.

This is a fair point.

Tyson wasn't quite as heavy handed as the likes of Earnie Shavers or George Foreman for example, but I believe he could be the more effective KO artist due to his speed & variety.

[Tuan_Jim]

I agree. Foreman, Shavers, Lyle et al seem to possess more one-shot stopping power, but Tyson is certainly still an A-grade puncher. The unfeasible speed, combinations and petrifying angles make him all sorts of trouble.

[Rexob]

I agree. Foreman, Shavers, Lyle et al seem to possess more one-shot stopping power, but Tyson is certainly still an A-grade puncher. The unfeasible speed, combinations and petrifying angles make him all sorts of trouble.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I agree. Foreman, Shavers, Lyle et al seem to possess more one-shot stopping power, but Tyson is certainly still an A-grade puncher. The unfeasible speed, combinations and petrifying angles make him all sorts of trouble.

Can't think of another heavyweight I've ever seen throw a left hook to the body, left hook to the head, and left uppercut in such quick succession, frightening.

[JC]

I agree. Foreman, Shavers, Lyle et al seem to possess more one-shot stopping power, but Tyson is certainly still an A-grade puncher. The unfeasible speed, combinations and petrifying angles make him all sorts of trouble.

Can't think of another heavyweight I've ever seen throw a left hook to the body, left hook to the head, and left uppercut in such quick succession, frightening.

Theres a forum post I have linked to on here a few times by a guy who sparred Lewis, Wlad, Foreman, Tua and Holyfield (fought Bowe and Lewis in the AMs as well).

He said Wlad actually hit him the hardest, but rated Lewis and Holy as the best overall (no surprise apparently Lewis hit like a tank too). Also said that Foreman and Tua had similar types of power, where their job would numb your whole face.

He never sparred Tyson but knew guys who had. They confirmed that, while some of those others may have had even greater one shot power, Tyson would hit you with three, four, five huge power shots in a row. Apparently one sparring partner described it as 'just not right'.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Can't think of another heavyweight I've ever seen throw a left hook to the body, left hook to the head, and left uppercut in such quick succession, frightening.

Theres a forum post I have linked to on here a few times by a guy who sparred Lewis, Wlad, Foreman, Tua and Holyfield (fought Bowe and Lewis in the AMs as well).

He said Wlad actually hit him the hardest, but rated Lewis and Holy as the best overall (no surprise apparently Lewis hit like a tank too). Also said that Foreman and Tua had similar types of power, where their job would numb your whole face.

He never sparred Tyson but knew guys who had. They confirmed that, while some of those others may have had even greater one shot power, Tyson would hit you with three, four, five huge power shots in a row. Apparently one sparring partner described it as 'just not right'.

I'd say that Tyson along with Louis and Dempsey, was probably one of the greatest offensive heavyweight champs, all three men could put the hurt on opponents in brutal fashion, and were utterly relentless once they had someone hurt. The offensive output was in many ways their greatest asset, as the opponent was constantly fighting just to survive.

[ImranSarwar]

I agree. Foreman, Shavers, Lyle et al seem to possess more one-shot stopping power, but Tyson is certainly still an A-grade puncher. The unfeasible speed, combinations and petrifying angles make him all sorts of trouble.

Lyle?