Top Amateurs All Time

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 03 Feb 2006, 09:54

Using a points system on the major world and continental tournaments,here is my list of all time amateurs 1.F,Savon 2,J,Hernandez 3,T,Stevenson 4,A Hernandez 5,S,Todorov 6, M,Kindelan 7, A.Horta 9. F,Vastag 10,H, Vinent 11.O.Saitov 12.I,hristov 13 O,Solis 14.P, Romero 15, R, Balado 16, A.Herrera 17,I.Kovacs 18,A,Mesa 19,G,Rigondeaux 20,J,Gonzalez 21,I,Akopokhian 22,E,Griffin 23,C,Duvergei 24,A,Espinoza 25,A.Duvergei 26, P,Reyes 27,M, Romero 28,H,Maske 29,B,Jumadilov 30,R,Malachbekov---------I have used discretion in awarding points for boxers blatatanly robbed and those I think would have medalled but for Boycotts----Very subjective but fun and I think it does highlight the stars or our game

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 03 Feb 2006, 23:04

Nice list. What points system did you use? How can Rigondeaux be rated so low, behind Mesa. Rigo won 2 Olympics and 2 worlds, Mesa won neither.

ogii3 · Post by **ogii3** » 08 Feb 2006, 09:53

LOL
Great list
two Bulgarians in Top 15:)))

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 11 Feb 2006, 08:45

As regards my points system and Mesa/Rigo,I gave Mesa points for two world challenges,two world cups and two pan ams as well as points for the 1988 Olympics where I think he would have medalled.No doubt if there were world challenges now Rigo would have won a plenty and in no way do I compare the two.Rigo is probably the best cuban of them all.

sugar-ray-jay · Post by **sugar-ray-jay** » 30 Mar 2006, 08:19

What about lazlo papp?

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 31 Mar 2006, 03:43

Defiantly Lazlo Papp, you could put him 1st or atleast top 3, with Stevenson over Savon

You could add Dick McTaggart to the list but it depends what points and what reasons you included the boxers, you might even add the recent Alexander Povetkin as he too is surly an Amateur Star that has Achieved many great things.

But a very good list of true Champions

sugar-ray-jay · Post by **sugar-ray-jay** » 31 Mar 2006, 08:26

You could also add Sugar Ray Robinson - didn't win any world/olympic titles because of political climate at the time but was 125 - 0 as an amateur. Including a victory over Willie Pepp.
He won two golden gloves titles at feather and lightweight.
Him and Papp are the top two.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 31 Mar 2006, 14:33

sugar-ray-jay wrote:You could also add Sugar Ray Robinson - didn't win any world/olympic titles because of political climate at the time but was 125 - 0 as an amateur. Including a victory over Willie Pepp.
He won two golden gloves titles at feather and lightweight.
Him and Papp are the top two.

While Robinson was a good Amateur & a fantastic Pro, he is not number 2 in the list. We are talking about Tripple Olympic Champions with Teofilo Stevenson, Laszlo Papp & Félix Savón, & World & European Championship Titles to there names!

A record of 125-0 was a great Amateur perfomance, but Papp still managed to find time for a Pro Career with a 301-12 record and Stevenson a 302-20 amateur Record So Robison in the list but not number 2, i can can guess your a fan

sugar-ray-jay · Post by **sugar-ray-jay** » 03 Apr 2006, 12:24

Definately a fan of Robinson's. He probably WAS the best ever amateur, as he was most likely the best ever fighter to lace up a pair of gloves, but agree he can't go at the top against career amateurs like Savon & Stephenson etc.
Cheers though.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Apr 2006, 23:05

mike222 wrote:Using a points system on the major world and continental tournaments,here is my list of all time amateurs 1.F,Savon 2,J,Hernandez 3,T,Stevenson 4,A Hernandez 5,S,Todorov 6, M,Kindelan 7, A.Horta 9. F,Vastag 10,H, Vinent 11.O.Saitov 12.I,hristov 13 O,Solis 14.P, Romero 15, R, Balado 16, A.Herrera 17,I.Kovacs 18,A,Mesa 19,G,Rigondeaux 20,J,Gonzalez 21,I,Akopokhian 22,E,Griffin 23,C,Duvergei 24,A,Espinoza 25,A.Duvergei 26, P,Reyes 27,M, Romero 28,H,Maske 29,B,Jumadilov 30,R,Malachbekov---------I have used discretion in awarding points for boxers blatatanly robbed and those I think would have medalled but for Boycotts----Very subjective but fun and I think it does highlight the stars or our game

Had Maske staid at the amateuers he probably would have climbed a few ranks more...

caesar · Post by **caesar** » 05 Apr 2006, 15:40

many names left out...Mate Parlov, Ribakov, Lemeshev, Damiani, Savchenko, Semion Kutzov, Wilfredo Gomez, Pedro Gamaro, Oliva Patricio, Ayube Kalule, Gedo, Ribicki, H. Davis...

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 05 Apr 2006, 19:42

pundit wrote:Had Maske staid at the amateuers he probably would have climbed a few ranks more...

Maske was lucky cuban Angel Espinosa didn't go to the olympics. They fought three times with Espinosa going 3-0.

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 08 Apr 2006, 02:28

i no hes not a great amateur who should be ranked among guys like stevenson and papp but oscar de la hoya had a pretty good amateur record?

adspath · Post by **adspath** » 08 Apr 2006, 13:32

thanks Miguel (el presidente) lol....OSCARRRR....also Kostya Tszyu had a great record as amatuer, shame about the olympics

EriqS · Post by **EriqS** » 08 Apr 2006, 15:51

I would think Mark Breland belongs on the list somewhere. He was 110-1 as an amateur with 79 knockout victories, numerous Golden Glove and U.S. amateur titles, and an olympic gold medal.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 08 Apr 2006, 18:25

Mike used a points system based on medals won, not about the record. Breland won 1 olympic gold and 1 world title. Savon won 3 olympics, 6 world championships, 3 Pan Ams, 4 World Cups, etc. Doesn't even compare. Also I think he started counting from the 70'ies, when the world tournaments started (World championships, World Cup, etc). That would explain why Laszlo Papp and others aren't on the list.

jimmy the gent · Post by **jimmy the gent** » 25 Apr 2006, 11:45

guillermo rgondeux ortiz.what a class act,has all the tools,have never seen anyone with the kind of balance he has.went on a winning streak of winning over 125 fights.could possibly be the first man to win four olympic gold medals.SPECIAL.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 19 May 2006, 15:08

This is my top 20 World Pound 4 Pound

My rankings start from 1904, so include everbody

Felix Savon (CUB)
Teofilio Stevenson (CUB)
Mario Kindelan (CUB)
Juan Sierra Hernandez (CUB)
Serafim Todorov (BUL)
Ariel Hernandez (CUB)
Oleg Saitov (RUS)
Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB)
Laszlo Papp (HUN)
Odlanier Solis (CUB)
Angel Herrera (CUB)
Hector Vinent (CUB)
Roberto Balado (CUB)
Daniel Petrov (BUL)
Ivailo Marinov (BUL)
Adolfo Horta (CUB)
Raimkoul Malakhbekov (RUS)
Henry Maske (GER)
Istvan Kovacs (HUN)
Jerzy Kulaj (POL)

caesar · Post by **caesar** » 28 May 2006, 18:13

The most impressive amateurs I ever saw:

HW: T. Stevenson (F. Savon)
LHW: M. Parlov
MW: V. Lemeschev (Michael Spinks)
LMW: L. Papp
WW: N. Benvenuti
LWW: R. Leonard
LW: H. Davis
FW: A. Herrera
BW: W. Gomez (V. Rybakov)
FW: Mushoky (not sure about spelling) fighter from Kenya
LFW: I. Mustafov (G. Gedo)

Trey ko · Post by **Trey ko** » 23 Jun 2006, 09:36

ABA Boxing wrote:
sugar-ray-jay wrote:You could also add Sugar Ray Robinson - didn't win any world/olympic titles because of political climate at the time but was 125 - 0 as an amateur. Including a victory over Willie Pepp.
He won two golden gloves titles at feather and lightweight.
Him and Papp are the top two.
While Robinson was a good Amateur & a fantastic Pro, he is not number 2 in the list. We are talking about Tripple Olympic Champions with Teofilo Stevenson, Laszlo Papp & Félix Savón, & World & European Championship Titles to there names!

A record of 125-0 was a great Amateur perfomance, but Papp still managed to find time for a Pro Career with a 301-12 record and Stevenson a 302-20 amateur Record So Robison in the list but not number 2, i can can guess your a fan

Ray Robinson was 85-0; Ezzard Charles was 40-0

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