Good point. But considering Tyson reached his prime when he was 20 and 21, he wasn't far off when he fought Tillis.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:iceman21287 wrote:Exactly. Watch Tyson's fight with Quick Tillis. Tyson won the fight, but it was pretty damn close, and Quick Tillis made Tyson look like an amateur at times. If Tillis could do that to Tyson, then Ali would absolutely destroy him. I mean, shit, look how Ali handled Joe Frazier, and Ali was well past his prime in all three of those fights. A prime Ali would absolutely dismantle a prime Tyson.Decagon wrote:Tyson would've been the best ever if he could fight for twelve rounds the way he did for four. Don King didn't make Tyson the way he was; he had flaws, like any other fighter. Maybe he could have learned to overcome those flaws, but he never did.
tyson was still 19 years old and had not yet reached his best when he fought tillis. kind of like frazier-bonavena I, or marciano-lastarza I
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I couldn't agree more. But it's kinda like beating a dead horse. I grew up in the era that believed Mike Tyson was unstoppable. The loss to Buster Douglas rocked my world the same as it did everyone else's. But since then I've had time to analyze the fight and the rest of Tyson's career. The physical talent was there, no doubt about it. The intensity that Mike Tyson carried around was amazing and that's always been what has intrigued us about him more than anything. I do agree that the Tyson that fought Douglas was probably only about 75%. I think he got too caught up in his own shit. I would have Tyson around #10 in my all time great heavyweights. Take away the child inside of him and he could be top 5.Ezzard wrote:The problem with this thread isn't that Tyson didn't amass a decent record. It's to do with the usual talk about "he could have been the best ever". Tyson's probelms have been documented way back. The ridiculous fist fight with Mitch Green being a great example. Tyson was unhinged. This gave him his ferocity and his terrifying ring presence. It made him a top fighter but it also made him psychologically vulnerable to someone who could step back and see him as a man and not some unbeatable mythical monster.
Tyson was not messed up by King and Givens. They didn't help but he was always messed up as the incident with Green (plus countless others) proves. Tyson was built up so much in the public's collective imagination (just as Liston was) that it's impossible to separate the man in the ring from the perception of him as person.
Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Holmes, etc... all got dropped and got up to win in fights. They all overcame tough fights to win. Mike couldn't do this. Even if he'd have not gone to prison, trained like a maniac 25 hours a day and lived like a monk he'd still have not had 30 defences because he was mentally fragile. Boxing is a lot more than who punches hardest and fastest.
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you missed the point barry.he should have been acclimitising to the altitude weeks before the fight.now i am not saying this is anyone other than lennox's own fault,he paid dearly for over confidence.but with proper training he annihilated hasim.barry wrote:>>>when losing to rahman everyone knows he was making oceans eleven when he should have been acclimatising.<<<
Making Ocean's Eleven? Let's be real...he spent maybe, maybe half a day of filming and all he had to do was walk to the ring and act like he was listening to instructions...it's not like he had to really take any time out for the small bit he played. Sorry, but if he was out of sorts because of one very small, non-talking role in a film that took less than a day of his time, then he is even worse than many already suspect and that is one excuse that I would not try to argue on his behalf. Truth is, Lewis came into the Rahman fight with the same kind of focus and training that Tyson went into that Douglas fight with, though Tyson sure had a hell of a lot more going on in his life at the time than Lewis did.
So how can Tyosn be forgiven Douglas and Lewis not Rahman? What was the bigger shock? What would go down has one of the greatest upsets ever. I'll think you'll find Tyson-Douglas. And Lewis, like a true champion, destroyed Rahman in the 2nd fight. Did Tyson ever do that? No. So I think the statement should be the other way around. Tyson was good for 6 rounds then....well he'd just get throught the fight. I think Douglas said this in an interview. He had to take it for 5 rounds but then after that he felt Tyson was there for the taking. If you want to analysis it anymore look what Holyfield did to Douglas. I'll never forget Holyfield laughing and joking before the Tyson fight and Tyson looking scared! Just goes to prove that Tyson won alot of fights on fear alone. Look how many people just capitualted in the 1st round. As for Spinks being his defining fight, well it just goes to prove Tyson was and never will be one the best heavyweights.
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Decagon---As usual, you just make ignorant and unfounded statements, so I'll give little notice to what you think, or say as it is usual just a waste of time!
>>>So how can Tyosn be forgiven Douglas and Lewis not Rahman? What was the bigger shock? What would go down has one of the greatest upsets ever.<<<
Who is forgiving Tyson? He got his ass kicked and got it kicked well, no one’s fault but his own, but it is a lot easier to think that being unfocused because said person was dealing with divorce, the death of people that were very, very close to the young man who only trusted those who had died and other very, very personal issues…well that certainly is more excuse-worthy than adjusting to climate! I hear several excuses for Lewis though. Like the adjusting to climate, which might be plausible if it had been a long fight, but him getting knocked out in two and five rounds had nothing to do with him not being adjusted to climate. He was fighting his usual, lackadaisical style and Rahman came in faster than what Lewis expected and caught him with a bomb….lights out and new heavyweight champion. True he came back and knocked Rahman out, but that’s what he should have done in the first bout and as to McCall, well Lewis should still be counting his lucky stars that McCall had a nervous breakdown in the second fight, which Lewis still couldn’t take the man out.
>>>And Lewis, like a true champion, destroyed Rahman in the 2nd fight.<<<
Sorry, but a true champion would not have gotten knocked out to start with and being that it happened to Lewis twice in an even weaker era than what Tyson fought in, well it doesn’t speak of a “true champion.”
>>>Did Tyson ever do that? No. So I think the statement should be the other way around.<<<
Tyson never did it because he never lost while in his prime!
>>>If you want to analysis it anymore look what Holyfield did to Douglas.<<<
Again, it doesn’t take a genius to see that Douglas didn’t give a shit if he won, or lost that fight as anyone with any sense could see that he most certainly was not only not trained, but also very, very out of shape…he got his 30 million and that was all that he was concerned with!
>>>I'll never forget Holyfield laughing and joking before the Tyson fight and Tyson looking scared! Just goes to prove that Tyson won alot of fights on fear alone.<<<
That’s just ridiculous and completely unfounded! Tyson has never looked scared in a bout and he certainly didn’t for Holyfield, who was also a huge underdog, but unlike Lewis, Tyson fought Holyfield whereas Lewis ran the whole bout sticking out his jab and never once standing toe-to-toe to trade with the much smaller Holyfield, but I forgot, what is seen as cowardice for other fighters is often seen as intelligence for Lewis.
>>>As for Spinks being his defining fight, well it just goes to prove Tyson was and never will be one the best heavyweights.<<<
Well that just demonstrates what you actually know about heavyweight boxing. I guess you look at Lewis’s career defining fights against the ten years past his prime Holyfield as sterling achievements right? At least Tyson put a solid exclamation point to his career defining fight; Lewis still has a question mark beside his!
>>>So how can Tyosn be forgiven Douglas and Lewis not Rahman? What was the bigger shock? What would go down has one of the greatest upsets ever.<<<
Who is forgiving Tyson? He got his ass kicked and got it kicked well, no one’s fault but his own, but it is a lot easier to think that being unfocused because said person was dealing with divorce, the death of people that were very, very close to the young man who only trusted those who had died and other very, very personal issues…well that certainly is more excuse-worthy than adjusting to climate! I hear several excuses for Lewis though. Like the adjusting to climate, which might be plausible if it had been a long fight, but him getting knocked out in two and five rounds had nothing to do with him not being adjusted to climate. He was fighting his usual, lackadaisical style and Rahman came in faster than what Lewis expected and caught him with a bomb….lights out and new heavyweight champion. True he came back and knocked Rahman out, but that’s what he should have done in the first bout and as to McCall, well Lewis should still be counting his lucky stars that McCall had a nervous breakdown in the second fight, which Lewis still couldn’t take the man out.
>>>And Lewis, like a true champion, destroyed Rahman in the 2nd fight.<<<
Sorry, but a true champion would not have gotten knocked out to start with and being that it happened to Lewis twice in an even weaker era than what Tyson fought in, well it doesn’t speak of a “true champion.”
>>>Did Tyson ever do that? No. So I think the statement should be the other way around.<<<
Tyson never did it because he never lost while in his prime!
>>>If you want to analysis it anymore look what Holyfield did to Douglas.<<<
Again, it doesn’t take a genius to see that Douglas didn’t give a shit if he won, or lost that fight as anyone with any sense could see that he most certainly was not only not trained, but also very, very out of shape…he got his 30 million and that was all that he was concerned with!
>>>I'll never forget Holyfield laughing and joking before the Tyson fight and Tyson looking scared! Just goes to prove that Tyson won alot of fights on fear alone.<<<
That’s just ridiculous and completely unfounded! Tyson has never looked scared in a bout and he certainly didn’t for Holyfield, who was also a huge underdog, but unlike Lewis, Tyson fought Holyfield whereas Lewis ran the whole bout sticking out his jab and never once standing toe-to-toe to trade with the much smaller Holyfield, but I forgot, what is seen as cowardice for other fighters is often seen as intelligence for Lewis.
>>>As for Spinks being his defining fight, well it just goes to prove Tyson was and never will be one the best heavyweights.<<<
Well that just demonstrates what you actually know about heavyweight boxing. I guess you look at Lewis’s career defining fights against the ten years past his prime Holyfield as sterling achievements right? At least Tyson put a solid exclamation point to his career defining fight; Lewis still has a question mark beside his!
I'm sorry I bow to your superior knowledge!
Your arguments are total crap! Obviously you have never trained or competed at altitude to take it so lightly! It doesn't have to be a long fight for altitude to take effect. It takes effect all day every day you muppet!Why is Tyson's mind problems an excuse? So by that you are saying he was fit physically? Well it goes to prove it was beaten fair and square! As for Lewis being KOed as a reason to justify your arguments is utter rubbish! Anyone can get KOed even the best boxers! But by your reckoning anyone who gets Koed is not a worthy champion? So by that Tyson cannot be classed as a true champion like you are trying to argue. The one thing Lewis did was avenge defeat which is the mark of a true champion! How about Joe Loius he was stopped but does that take away from his achievements? No of course it doesn't. By the way did McCall use to spar with Tyson? And Tyson was in his prime against Douglas!
Your arguments are total crap! Obviously you have never trained or competed at altitude to take it so lightly! It doesn't have to be a long fight for altitude to take effect. It takes effect all day every day you muppet!Why is Tyson's mind problems an excuse? So by that you are saying he was fit physically? Well it goes to prove it was beaten fair and square! As for Lewis being KOed as a reason to justify your arguments is utter rubbish! Anyone can get KOed even the best boxers! But by your reckoning anyone who gets Koed is not a worthy champion? So by that Tyson cannot be classed as a true champion like you are trying to argue. The one thing Lewis did was avenge defeat which is the mark of a true champion! How about Joe Loius he was stopped but does that take away from his achievements? No of course it doesn't. By the way did McCall use to spar with Tyson? And Tyson was in his prime against Douglas!
tbh what sums it up for me is lennox gets crucified usually by americans for getting ko'd twice in his prime,even though the defeats were many years apart,longer than other champs who have been stopped twice.others like tyson,its decided that his prime came and went to suit.so is it overly fair to criticise lennox this much because according to some he was at his best for much longer than most?
lennox certainly was not for me in his prime when stopped by mccall,despite his destruction of ruddock.he became a much better tactical fighter when manny came on board,his boxing displays against bruno,tucker etc show a lennox lewis far inferior to the later version imo.
lennox certainly was not for me in his prime when stopped by mccall,despite his destruction of ruddock.he became a much better tactical fighter when manny came on board,his boxing displays against bruno,tucker etc show a lennox lewis far inferior to the later version imo.
Totally agree Dalek. You are right about Manny! Lewis was much better after he came on board. I think he became a little less arrogant as well. In an interview I saw with Angelo Dundee he raved about how good Lennox was and for me that is enough to justify my belief that he was one of the best. I personally don't think Lennox ever reached his best because he never had the need to. His biggest downfall was not taking all his fights seriously. He always fought better when the oppenant was dangerous and he thought they could beat him. If only he had guys like Frazier, Forman, Ali etc to fight then I think everyone would have seen a totally different fighter who would be classed as one of the best by everyone!
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Arsenal---Your arguments don't even qualify as crap...they're too weak to even matter really!
Actually they're not arguments...it's you're crippled view of what you think. It's not only stupid to think that Tyson was in his prime against Douglas...it's bordering on retarded...are you that dense and naive, or do you just dislike Tyson, because I honestly hope that you are not that clueless. I can see that you cradle and fondle the balls of a weak champion like Lewis, but you are blind to anything that makes any actual sense about Tyson.
Altitude was the cause of Lewis having a weak chin...altitude was the cause of Lewis fighting his usual boring, unmotivated fight...that's about as silly as it gets. Put some actual time and study a few more years and then come talk to me because right now you argue like a child.
As to Tyson, he had a very short prime which ended around 1989, or 1990. His loss against Lewis came 15 years past his prime and his losses to McBride and Williams don't even qualify as worthy for comment about his career.
>>>If only he had guys like Frazier, Forman, Ali etc to fight then I think everyone would have seen a totally different fighter who would be classed as one of the best by everyone!<<<
If those fighters had been around for Lennox, then Lewis would just be a small footnote...he would never have reached champion status...he didn't have the chin and he didn't have the heart to stand up to those greats!
Actually they're not arguments...it's you're crippled view of what you think. It's not only stupid to think that Tyson was in his prime against Douglas...it's bordering on retarded...are you that dense and naive, or do you just dislike Tyson, because I honestly hope that you are not that clueless. I can see that you cradle and fondle the balls of a weak champion like Lewis, but you are blind to anything that makes any actual sense about Tyson.
Altitude was the cause of Lewis having a weak chin...altitude was the cause of Lewis fighting his usual boring, unmotivated fight...that's about as silly as it gets. Put some actual time and study a few more years and then come talk to me because right now you argue like a child.
As to Tyson, he had a very short prime which ended around 1989, or 1990. His loss against Lewis came 15 years past his prime and his losses to McBride and Williams don't even qualify as worthy for comment about his career.
>>>If only he had guys like Frazier, Forman, Ali etc to fight then I think everyone would have seen a totally different fighter who would be classed as one of the best by everyone!<<<
If those fighters had been around for Lennox, then Lewis would just be a small footnote...he would never have reached champion status...he didn't have the chin and he didn't have the heart to stand up to those greats!
ermmmm and Tyson did?
So Tyson prime was only a few years? On that basis how can you go on as if he one of the best. You muppet you contradict your own arguments! Has for Lewis' chin. Knocked down twice. You can look at it two ways but I look at it that you had to KO him to beat him. How many times was Tyson stopped? I rest my case. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Tyson is some sort of legend knows nothing about boxing! I can see why people have a problem with Lewis, mainly cos he's British and kicked some yanky butt, but if you cannot at appeciate him as a boxer once again you know nothing. You obviously know more than the likes of Dundee so I bow to you and your supreme boxing knowledge!
So Tyson prime was only a few years? On that basis how can you go on as if he one of the best. You muppet you contradict your own arguments! Has for Lewis' chin. Knocked down twice. You can look at it two ways but I look at it that you had to KO him to beat him. How many times was Tyson stopped? I rest my case. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Tyson is some sort of legend knows nothing about boxing! I can see why people have a problem with Lewis, mainly cos he's British and kicked some yanky butt, but if you cannot at appeciate him as a boxer once again you know nothing. You obviously know more than the likes of Dundee so I bow to you and your supreme boxing knowledge!
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>>>So Tyson prime was only a few years? On that basis how can you go on as if he one of the best. You muppet you contradict your own arguments!<<<
I haven’t contradicted anything. Do you even know what contradict means?
Plenty of fighters had very short primes, which most certainly did not hurt their place in history! Terry McGovern and Pipino Cuevas are two very good examples, which you probably know little about either, but both were pretty much finished in the ring before they reached age 22...does that have any bearing on the kind of fighter they were in their prime...NO...were they still all-time greats…McGovern certainly was and Cuevas scored some high quality knockouts and put together a record that put him in the Hall of Fame...and guess what Tyson fits in that same mold, but I would not expect someone with such a weak view to be able to comprehend the entirety of the topic.
>>>Has for Lewis' chin. Knocked down twice. You can look at it two ways but I look at it that you had to KO him to beat him. How many times was Tyson stopped? I rest my case.<<<
You need to rest your case because you certainly are not making any kind of gain with the nonsense you are ranting about now.
>>>Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Tyson is some sort of legend knows nothing about boxing!<<<
Like I said, do some actual studying of the sport and come back in a few years because right now, you are in way over your head!
>>> I can see why people have a problem with Lewis, mainly cos he's British and kicked some yanky butt, but if you cannot at appeciate him as a boxer once again you know nothing.<<<
Lewis was British? I thought that he was Jamaican, or was it Canadian?
As to respecting Lewis, I do respect him. I don’t think he really ducked anyone in his career and for the most part he beat everyone that was put in front of him, which did include some very solid heavyweights, but his weaknesses, which he had several, would have been his end against the very best…including a prime Tyson.
>>>You obviously know more than the likes of Dundee so I bow to you and your supreme boxing knowledge!<<<
Well if you are naive enough to take one persons opinion and hold on to it like it is the gospel then there is no hope for you and as long as you know that you need to bow before my knowledge...well that is good enough for me!
I haven’t contradicted anything. Do you even know what contradict means?
Plenty of fighters had very short primes, which most certainly did not hurt their place in history! Terry McGovern and Pipino Cuevas are two very good examples, which you probably know little about either, but both were pretty much finished in the ring before they reached age 22...does that have any bearing on the kind of fighter they were in their prime...NO...were they still all-time greats…McGovern certainly was and Cuevas scored some high quality knockouts and put together a record that put him in the Hall of Fame...and guess what Tyson fits in that same mold, but I would not expect someone with such a weak view to be able to comprehend the entirety of the topic.
>>>Has for Lewis' chin. Knocked down twice. You can look at it two ways but I look at it that you had to KO him to beat him. How many times was Tyson stopped? I rest my case.<<<
You need to rest your case because you certainly are not making any kind of gain with the nonsense you are ranting about now.
>>>Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Tyson is some sort of legend knows nothing about boxing!<<<
Like I said, do some actual studying of the sport and come back in a few years because right now, you are in way over your head!
>>> I can see why people have a problem with Lewis, mainly cos he's British and kicked some yanky butt, but if you cannot at appeciate him as a boxer once again you know nothing.<<<
Lewis was British? I thought that he was Jamaican, or was it Canadian?
As to respecting Lewis, I do respect him. I don’t think he really ducked anyone in his career and for the most part he beat everyone that was put in front of him, which did include some very solid heavyweights, but his weaknesses, which he had several, would have been his end against the very best…including a prime Tyson.
>>>You obviously know more than the likes of Dundee so I bow to you and your supreme boxing knowledge!<<<
Well if you are naive enough to take one persons opinion and hold on to it like it is the gospel then there is no hope for you and as long as you know that you need to bow before my knowledge...well that is good enough for me!
Barry, you need to look into Ali a little more. The reason he is most people's greatest is because of what he stood for not purley for his boxing ability. He certainly wasn't unbeatable but he was certainly extremely clever and tactically very good. But he never had a KO punch like many other heavyweights. He would generally outbox and wear people down. Now take Tyson when he first came about and he certainly seemed unbeatable and had KO punches he both hands. But to think Ali would do what he liked to Lewis shows naivity and that you are getting caught up in the Ali hype. Firstly Ali wouldn't KO Lewis. I think we could agree on that. But Lewis certainly could Knock Ali down but maybe not out. As for boxing skills you may hate to say it but Lewis had great boxing ability and great speed and combinations for a big guy. Remember Ali got outpointed by boxers not regarded as good has him, in skills anyway. So a Lewis/ Ali fight would almost certainly go to points or maybe a Lewis KO. Remember Cooper stunned Ali. My belief is that Lewis would be as smart as Ali and would be as good tactically and I would go with Lewis on his size and power. I think Lewis would stop Frazier and outbox Foreman and maybe stop him. Do you remember an interview Foreman gave when he said he thought Lewis was one of the best? He said that he would have not like to have fought Lewis. For a boxer like Forman to say that proves that Lewis was a great boxer.
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>>>One more thing. Lewis never quit and Tyson did several times!<<<
Tyson quit twice, both of which are really meaningless in his career...being that they occurred when Tyson was what...20 years past his prime? To even consider those bouts just shows what your intentions toward Tyson are...you will not give him credit because you just don't like him, which is pretty sad for someone to be that weak-minded...but then again, it could be what I suspect in that you just don't know what you are talking about, which that seems more plausible I would think.
Here’s a question for you chew on…How many all-time greats were ever knocked out by much lesser opponents while in their prime?
Tyson quit twice, both of which are really meaningless in his career...being that they occurred when Tyson was what...20 years past his prime? To even consider those bouts just shows what your intentions toward Tyson are...you will not give him credit because you just don't like him, which is pretty sad for someone to be that weak-minded...but then again, it could be what I suspect in that you just don't know what you are talking about, which that seems more plausible I would think.
Here’s a question for you chew on…How many all-time greats were ever knocked out by much lesser opponents while in their prime?
And one more thing are you saying Lewis was in his prime from 1994-2001 (28-36) when he retired two years later but Tyson was only in his prime 1985-1990 (19-24)? So by 24 Tyson was shot but at 36 Lewis was in his prime?
You really know f**k all.
With regards your question getting KOed or beaten by someone lesser when in your prime means you cannot be classed as an all time great?
I would have thought about that question a bit before you asked it. Being KOed doesn't make you a bad boxer neither does getting beat by someone lesser especially if you revenge that defeat. As far as I'm aware according to your definition of great only Marciano would be an all time great HW?
You really know f**k all.
With regards your question getting KOed or beaten by someone lesser when in your prime means you cannot be classed as an all time great?
I would have thought about that question a bit before you asked it. Being KOed doesn't make you a bad boxer neither does getting beat by someone lesser especially if you revenge that defeat. As far as I'm aware according to your definition of great only Marciano would be an all time great HW?
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Barry, you define Tyson's prime simply as the time he was unbeaten. That way no fighter that ever won a fight, loses while in his prime. That's just too easy... Tyson gets beaten than his prime must be over. If we apply the same logic to Lewis' career, we call the time before the McCall fight Lennox's prime.barry wrote: Here’s a question for you chew on…How many all-time greats were ever knocked out by much lesser opponents while in their prime?
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>>>Barry, you define Tyson's prime simply as the time he was unbeaten. That way no fighter that ever won a fight, loses while in his prime. That's just too easy... Tyson gets beaten than his prime must be over. If we apply the same logic to Lewis' career, we call the time before the McCall fight Lennox's prime.<<<
No, Tyson's prime was pre-jail. It would just be silly for anyone to try to argue that he was even close to his prime after losing three years to jail. He was in his prime years when he faced Douglas, but he was no where near his best for that bout and plainly just in poor condition, which according to simple-minds like Arsenal is a curse for Tyson and doesn't count, but for Lewis it's some kind of excuse as to why! So what is the prime of both Lewis and Tyson if not what I had stated?
Arsenal:
>>>Come on Barry, I've asked the question and also given evidence to back up my answer.<<<
You haven't given any kind of evidence...all you have done is say what you think and thats it...no evidence...just completely biased opinion based on what? Not facts!!
>>>You've looking like a beaten fighter...a bit like Tyson past his prime at 24..hahahahah<<<
To make it simple for someone like you to understand...you couldn't beat my meat!
But since you feel like such a scholar at the moment, then why don't you break down Tyson's career and give me a lesson as to what it's really about. Share with us your knowledge and dazzle us with your "wits" and thoughts of what Tyson did, or din't do to make him less than great and for Lewis to be great! Enlighten us to what made Tyson such an overrated hype and Lewis the real thing...give us some real evidence as to why Tyson is not an all-time great and Lennox Lewis is...can you actually do that? I didn't think so!
No, Tyson's prime was pre-jail. It would just be silly for anyone to try to argue that he was even close to his prime after losing three years to jail. He was in his prime years when he faced Douglas, but he was no where near his best for that bout and plainly just in poor condition, which according to simple-minds like Arsenal is a curse for Tyson and doesn't count, but for Lewis it's some kind of excuse as to why! So what is the prime of both Lewis and Tyson if not what I had stated?
Arsenal:
>>>Come on Barry, I've asked the question and also given evidence to back up my answer.<<<
You haven't given any kind of evidence...all you have done is say what you think and thats it...no evidence...just completely biased opinion based on what? Not facts!!
>>>You've looking like a beaten fighter...a bit like Tyson past his prime at 24..hahahahah<<<
To make it simple for someone like you to understand...you couldn't beat my meat!
But since you feel like such a scholar at the moment, then why don't you break down Tyson's career and give me a lesson as to what it's really about. Share with us your knowledge and dazzle us with your "wits" and thoughts of what Tyson did, or din't do to make him less than great and for Lewis to be great! Enlighten us to what made Tyson such an overrated hype and Lewis the real thing...give us some real evidence as to why Tyson is not an all-time great and Lennox Lewis is...can you actually do that? I didn't think so!