Canelo will duck GGG

[Tanzio]

The best way boxing fans can respond to Canelo's ducking of GGG is to not buy the canelo-khan ppv.
I'm not buying that BS and will be streaming it or I'll just watch a replay for free at some point.
If Canelo was a real man and stopped creating excuses about not fighting GGG I would buy it, but this 155 nonsense made me lose all respect I had for Canelo.

Good call. Stick it right in DLH's face.

Team Gingerhead irritates me, as did Team FMJ. I haven't bought an FMJ ppv since GingerHead. I still buy GingerHead's ppvs because they are always entertaining and competitive. FMJ's? Not so much.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Largely, it has already taken place.

Agreed, he's already at the end of his prime now, and will begin to deteriorate, he'll probably get a megafight when he's over the hill and slipped enough to be beatable. In terms of the big events happening, boxing as a sport sucks balls. My love of the sport has seriously waned these days, It's just not compelling any more, because the big fights either don't happen, happen too late, or don't deliver when they do happen.

Thank you and would you say that most of this is taking p[lace in North America?

No not really, the only reason it seems that way is that most of the megafights end up staged in Vegas. It's happening across the sport, everyone is risk averse once they make it to the top.

[Cygnus475]

Because when he was supposed to fight ward he made the excuse that he wanted to unify then all of a sudden he's interested in moving up to fight froch or chavez. Ward called him out on it, so he backed off and went back to his "I want to unify" platform.

Also saying "anyone from 154" then later clarifying "but only mayweather". It's called flip flopping and being an opportunist. Either he wants to unify or he doesnt.

You are clearly stupid, so I will repeat what was already said by multiple people.

1. Golovkin's status is steadily growing, so of course he becomes pickier in his choices.
2. "Anybody" from 154 to 168 has always been "anybody making sense" and what was making sense 2 years ago sometimes doesn't make it anymore. Only stupid ones don't understand that.
3. Ward was offered to fight GGG by HBO a couple years ago when Gennady was available and agreed to fight, but Andre preferred to fight Rodriguez.
4. When Ward made his "offer", Golovkin was preparing to unification fight with Lemieux and had realistic possibilities for other unification fights against Cotto/Canelo winner and Lee. Why would he instead select to fight an opponent who is 10 pounds heavier and can't draw sh!t ???

1-ggg is growing? Lol, 100k ppv buys and he suddenly has the luxury to be picky? Get his nuts out your mouth.

2-so in other words, cherry picking. He'll fight a 40 year old froch but not a guy his own age (ward) whos p4p #2 and would catapult his ranking. gotcha.

3-aren't you the one who said things change after a couple years? Ward has publicly called put ggg and even gave him a nickname countless times in te past year. Nothing was tying up ggg that prevented him from making the fight (Willie Monroe and lemieux, lmao). Canelo keeps stringing him along and in the mean time he keeps taking on no names when there are half a dozen decent ranked contenders.

4-cotto was never "realistically" going to fight him and even now canelo is stringing him along with excuses and catch weight negotiations. If were Talking "realism" He could realistically very easily fight a top ranked contender like lara but he hasnt. He has developed a Khan syndrome, desperately chasing the big names and ignoring the legitimate contenders as a result and wasting years of his prime.

Now before you respond, try to be objective and close the tabs of ggg you were beating off to.

[gilgamesh]

I'll give Canelo the benefit of the doubt for now, but if he still hasn't fought him by years end I'll start sh*tting on him hard. When you build yourself up as the guy that's not afraid to fight anybody, you can't start being afraid to fight somebody without seriously subjecting yourself to harsh criticism.

[ikorolev]

1-ggg is growing? Lol, 100k ppv buys and he suddenly has the luxury to be picky? Get his nuts out your mouth.

I will not comment on your stupid 100k number. Gennady's status clearly growing. 2 years ago, before he fought Macklin, people barely knew who he was. Casual fans definitely didn't. Now he is an established top p4p fighter known by many.

2-so in other words, cherry picking. He'll fight a 40 year old froch but not a guy his own age (ward) whos p4p #2 and would catapult his ranking. gotcha.

Yes, picking. Preferring Froch who can fill a stadium to Ward who can't draw sh!t.

3-aren't you the one who said things change after a couple years? Ward has publicly called put ggg and even gave him a nickname countless times in te past year. Nothing was tying up ggg that prevented him from making the fight (Willie Monroe and lemieux, lmao). Canelo keeps stringing him along and in the mean time he keeps taking on no names when there are half a dozen decent ranked contenders.

Exactly: things changed in 2 years - Golovkin became more popular, while Ward sunk into obscurity. You are an idiot. When Ward made his "offer", Monroe was in the past. Unification with Lemieux was already signed and exciting possibilities were openning after that. They didn't materialize, because Lee lost and Canelo peed into his pants, but they were realistic. On the other hand, who would volunteer dealing with Ward with his swelling knees and lawsuits.

He could realistically very easily fight a top ranked contender like lara but he hasnt.

Top ranked at MW ? By who ?

[Cygnus475]

1-ggg is growing? Lol, 100k ppv buys and he suddenly has the luxury to be picky? Get his nuts out your mouth.

I will not comment on your stupid 100k number. Gennady's status clearly growing. 2 years ago, before he fought Macklin, people barely knew who he was. Casual fans definitely didn't. Now he is an established top p4p fighter known by many.

2-so in other words, cherry picking. He'll fight a 40 year old froch but not a guy his own age (ward) whos p4p #2 and would catapult his ranking. gotcha.

Yes, picking. Preferring Froch who can fill a stadium to Ward who can't draw sh!t.

3-aren't you the one who said things change after a couple years? Ward has publicly called put ggg and even gave him a nickname countless times in te past year. Nothing was tying up ggg that prevented him from making the fight (Willie Monroe and lemieux, lmao). Canelo keeps stringing him along and in the mean time he keeps taking on no names when there are half a dozen decent ranked contenders.

Exactly: things changed in 2 years - Golovkin became more popular, while Ward sunk into obscurity. You are an idiot. When Ward made his "offer", Monroe was in the past. Unification with Lemieux was already signed and exciting possibilities were openning after that. They didn't materialize, because Lee lost and Canelo peed into his pants, but they were realistic. On the other hand, who would volunteer dealing with Ward with his swelling knees and lawsuits.

He could realistically very easily fight a top ranked contender like lara but he hasnt.

Top ranked at MW ? By who ?

Its not "stupid" it's a fact he only drew 100k. You ignoring it doesn't suddenly make ggg a star. Where the hell are you getting your information?

Show me some sources indicating he is known by many. And who has him as a top p4p? SOURCES.

As for picking, I see that you're only concerned if a fighter makes money? Are you a fan of Kell brook? Do u not care if a boxer avoids the best fighters?

Yes Lee lost and canelo stalled the fight. That was ggg's opportunity to remain relevant by staying busy and picking a top fighter. Instead he picked another no name to preserve his 0 and begging canelo to fight him. Meanwhile, Ward signed a contract to fight two undefeated fighters in one year.

Um, lara is ranked #1 you idiot. And his name was relevant enough for oscar to pick him. Ggg is simply avoiding him no matter how u slice it.

[ikorolev]

Its not "stupid" it's a fact he only drew 100k. You ignoring it doesn't suddenly make ggg a star. Where the hell are you getting your information?

Show me some sources indicating he is known by many. And who has him as a top p4p? SOURCES.

100k is a fact ? Based on one schmuk throwing a 97k number and a bunch of haters repeating it ?

He is in top p4p lists of ALL serious sources, including Ring and ESPN.

As for picking, I see that you're only concerned if a fighter makes money? Are you a fan of Kell brook? Do u not care if a boxer avoids the best fighters?

Yes Lee lost and canelo stalled the fight. That was ggg's opportunity to remain relevant by staying busy and picking a top fighter. Instead he picked another no name to preserve his 0 and begging canelo to fight him. Meanwhile, Ward signed a contract to fight two undefeated fighters in one year.

Have you heard about weight classes ? What "best fighters" did Golovkin avoid at his weight ??? Fighting somebody from another weight class needs to make financial sense, and neither Ward, nor Lara make financial sense.

Um, lara is ranked #1 you idiot. And his name was relevant enough for oscar to pick him. Ggg is simply avoiding him no matter how u slice it.

Lara is not even universally accepted as #1 at 154. He lost to Canelo, drew with Vanes and haven't fought Andrade, Charlo brothers or Cotto. At MW, he is NOBODY, you idiot.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

When Canelo fights at 154 pound fighter, the weight will be 156.
When he fights a 160 pound fighter, the weight will be 155.

[Cygnus475]

Its not "stupid" it's a fact he only drew 100k. You ignoring it doesn't suddenly make ggg a star. Where the hell are you getting your information?

Show me some sources indicating he is known by many. And who has him as a top p4p? SOURCES.

100k is a fact ? Based on one schmuk throwing a 97k number and a bunch of haters repeating it ?

He is in top p4p lists of ALL serious sources, including Ring and ESPN.

As for picking, I see that you're only concerned if a fighter makes money? Are you a fan of Kell brook? Do u not care if a boxer avoids the best fighters?

Yes Lee lost and canelo stalled the fight. That was ggg's opportunity to remain relevant by staying busy and picking a top fighter. Instead he picked another no name to preserve his 0 and begging canelo to fight him. Meanwhile, Ward signed a contract to fight two undefeated fighters in one year.

Have you heard about weight classes ? What "best fighters" did Golovkin avoid at his weight ??? Fighting somebody from another weight class needs to make financial sense, and neither Ward, nor Lara make financial sense.

Um, lara is ranked #1 you idiot. And his name was relevant enough for oscar to pick him. Ggg is simply avoiding him no matter how u slice it.

Lara is not even universally accepted as #1 at 154. He lost to Canelo, drew with Vanes and haven't fought Andrade, Charlo brothers or Cotto. At MW, he is NOBODY, you idiot.

I just looked at espns rankings. They have him ahead of klitschko, canelo, Pacquiao Bradley, ward and kovalev lmao. They have lost all credibility with their blatant wanking and bias. Even ring magazines list looks iffy. It seems people are determined to prop this guy up as the messiah of boxing. I respect ring magazine but I have a brain and I know talent and a good resume when I see it. Ggg has the talent but a B level resume.

Who the hell did ggg beat to get ahead of even one of the fighters I listed? Please explain lol.

Of course a fight should make financial sense, but WHEN YOU PULL 100k BUYS YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK.

The website you're posting on lists lara as #1 are you on meth? He was such a "nobody" that he shamed canelo into fighting him.

So let me get this straight, what makes a great p4p fighter is one who has a pretty record (regardless of who's on the list) and has a fat bank account. He should be praised by the sheer number of victims and his ability to put butts in seats, forget about the actual quality of his opposition. And there's no shame in ducking any credible opponent if they aren't going to be a major million dollar draw. Am I understanding your views correct?

Typical casual fanboy logic. I would love to see bert sugars reaction if he could read that.

Newsflash you brain dead ignorant casual nut hugger: p4p rankings are based on WHO you beat (quality of opposition), not a long list of tomato cans. If it was just about sheer numbers of tomato cans and selling fights Kell brook should be in the top 5 p4p. Bradley was a young undefeated champion with a resume full of former champions and contenders but even he wasn't in the top five p4p list until he beat ANOTHER p4p fighter (pacquiao) then proceeded to whoop Marquez a legendary Mexican champion. Even though he hasn't beaten anyone spectacular in the last two years (rios and vargas) he is still in the top ten because those two names carry more weight than Brooks list of bums (dan, gavin, bizier, etc).

There really isn't much of a difference between brook and golovkin in terms of resume. I'll give golovkin lemiuex since he was a young power punching belt holder with only one loss, but other than that who in God's name has he beaten to have him ranked ahead of Klitschko or Pacquiao or even canelo?

[Pureist]

AT WHAT WEIGHT IS LARA RANKED #1 YOU MORON

[dberry]

AT WHAT WEIGHT IS LARA RANKED #1 YOU MORON

I'm still trying to figure out why fighting the cream of the current middleweight crop along with demolition job style wins over the likes of Proksa and Stevenson and Geale are to be discounted and whether we're to take the mythical, subjective P4P bullshit for granted or whether he means that we're to take Wlad as a current, mythical P4P #1 or as an altime P4P #1 and, for that matter, who's fucken list are we going to be agreeing on? Good luck with getting clarification on your question from this arseclown

[Pureist]

Yeah, I know, these clowns don't think before they punch the crap out of their keyboards, acting like they're in a world title fight, if they just understood 5% of what it took and the sacrifices needed to be at a reasonable level let alone world class maybe they wouldn't sprout off about dragging JMW up to MW to fight a guy no other MW wants to

[Badhusker]

I'm over worrying or hoping if Canelo ever fights GGG. I don't think its as much Canelo as it is Oscar protecting his cash cow. I really hope though Canelo fights someone like Andrade soon.....inactive guy - be a good tune-up right? Or how about one of the Charlo brothers? Vanes M. would be a decent fight too, but would prefer one of the three I mentioned.

[ikorolev]

I just looked at espns rankings. They have him ahead of klitschko, canelo, Pacquiao Bradley, ward and kovalev lmao. They have lost all credibility with their blatant wanking and bias. Even ring magazines list looks iffy. It seems people are determined to prop this guy up as the messiah of boxing. I respect ring magazine but I have a brain and I know talent and a good resume when I see it. Ggg has the talent but a B level resume.

Who the hell did ggg beat to get ahead of even one of the fighters I listed? Please explain lol.

Of course a fight should make financial sense, but WHEN YOU PULL 100k BUYS YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK.

The website you're posting on lists lara as #1 are you on meth? He was such a "nobody" that he shamed canelo into fighting him.

So let me get this straight, what makes a great p4p fighter is one who has a pretty record (regardless of who's on the list) and has a fat bank account. He should be praised by the sheer number of victims and his ability to put butts in seats, forget about the actual quality of his opposition. And there's no shame in ducking any credible opponent if they aren't going to be a major million dollar draw. Am I understanding your views correct?

Typical casual fanboy logic. I would love to see bert sugars reaction if he could read that.

Newsflash you brain dead ignorant casual nut hugger: p4p rankings are based on WHO you beat (quality of opposition), not a long list of tomato cans. If it was just about sheer numbers of tomato cans and selling fights Kell brook should be in the top 5 p4p. Bradley was a young undefeated champion with a resume full of former champions and contenders but even he wasn't in the top five p4p list until he beat ANOTHER p4p fighter (pacquiao) then proceeded to whoop Marquez a legendary Mexican champion. Even though he hasn't beaten anyone spectacular in the last two years (rios and vargas) he is still in the top ten because those two names carry more weight than Brooks list of bums (dan, gavin, bizier, etc).

There really isn't much of a difference between brook and golovkin in terms of resume. I'll give golovkin lemiuex since he was a young power punching belt holder with only one loss, but other than that who in God's name has he beaten to have him ranked ahead of Klitschko or Pacquiao or even canelo?

So, now people can see that you are just a simple hater. No point to argue with somebody like you.

[Tanzio]

AT WHAT WEIGHT IS LARA RANKED #1 YOU MORON

I'm still trying to figure out why fighting the cream of the current middleweight crop along with demolition job style wins over the likes of Proksa and Stevenson and Geale are to be discounted and whether we're to take the mythical, subjective P4P bullshit for granted or whether he means that we're to take Wlad as a current, mythical P4P #1 or as an altime P4P #1 and, for that matter, who's fucken list are we going to be agreeing on? Good luck with getting clarification on your question from this arseclown

"Arseclown." you nailed it

While I would like to see 3G shut Lara's mouth, anyone who thinks that 3G is not the preeminent MW boxer at the moment, and for the past few years, definitely rates that description.

[Cygnus475]

AT WHAT WEIGHT IS LARA RANKED #1 YOU MORON

Super welterweight same as canelo, who ggg is begging to fight. If he can move down 8 pounds he can do it for andrade, Charlo, or lara as well. But I guess it's OK to cherry pick according yo some of you.

I'm still trying to figure out why fighting the cream of the current middleweight crop along with demolition job style wins over the likes of Proksa and Stevenson and Geale are to be discounted and whether we're to take the mythical, subjective P4P bullshit for granted or whether he means that we're to take Wlad as a current, mythical P4P #1 or as an altime P4P #1 and, for that matter, who's fucken list are we going to be agreeing on? Good luck with getting clarification on your question from this arseclown

Ikorolev was the one making the claim ggg was a top p4p fighter. I don't even necessarily disagree but I certainly wouldn't put him ahead of wladmir who has more title defenses than anyone but louis.

So, now people can see that you are just a simple hater. No point to argue with somebody like you.

You didn't address anything. I'm not a "hater", you're arguing with pure emotion and not using any sort of logic or evidence. For the record I actually enjoy his fights, I'm just not going to prop him up as the messiah of boxing until he takes down some decent contenders or champions. Anyone can look good until they face adversity.

Concession accepted.

[ikorolev]

Yes, you are a hater, and you are stupid too. You don't understand that basing p4p standings purely on records which often means 5-10 year old achievements is ridiculous. One has to take most recent achievements, fighters domination of their respective divisions and eye test into consideration. All serious p4p sources use exactly that -- a combination of records and other factors I mentioned.

Klitchko was just humiliated by Fury who is not an exceptional boxer.
Pacquiao was flattened by Marquez and hasn't been the same fighter since then.
Bradley ??? The one who barely passed limited Provodnikov and drew with Chaves ?
Canelo who arguably lost to Trout and Lara and who finds excuses to not fight GGG ?

The only fighter you mentioned who could be put above GGG is Kovalev. Roman is another candidate. There are active fighters like Crawford, Thurman, Spence, Lomachenko, Inoue, Rigo (even though he may be too old) who have potential to be above GGG, but that is just a potential at this time.

[fanman]

Well if canelo gets stripped and ggg takes the vacant belt that will be a humiliation to canelo. And that he is a huge weight draining light middle - he should really be fighting at middle.
Ggg shouldnt give an inch.

[Pureist]

This utter crap that Canelo is a JMW is just that, he holds the lineal MW title, he weighs more on fight night than any other MW, it's an excuse to try and avoid GGG, he made cotto look like a midget when they fought, if you want to buy into Canelo being a JMW then your just simply gullible, by the way, Canelo has been ordered to fight GGG, where is the begging

[HoustonBoxing]

With all due respect, it's the promoters who are delaying the fight and wanting it to be bigger. We'll eventually see it.

[Lancenix]

With all due respect, it's the promoters who are delaying the fight and wanting it to be bigger. We'll eventually see it.

No it is Canelo. He is playing this 155 game the same as Cotto. He wants nothing to do with GGG. Win or lose he will go back down 1 pound to 154 after this fight.

[Lancenix]

Yes, you are a hater, and you are stupid too. You don't understand that basing p4p standings purely on records which often means 5-10 year old achievements is ridiculous. One has to take most recent achievements, fighters domination of their respective divisions and eye test into consideration. All serious p4p sources use exactly that -- a combination of records and other factors I mentioned.

Klitchko was just humiliated by Fury who is not an exceptional boxer.
Pacquiao was flattened by Marquez and hasn't been the same fighter since then.
Bradley ??? The one who barely passed limited Provodnikov and drew with Chaves ?
Canelo who arguably lost to Trout and Lara and who finds excuses to not fight GGG ?

The only fighter you mentioned who could be put above GGG is Kovalev. Roman is another candidate. There are active fighters like Crawford, Thurman, Spence, Lomachenko, Inoue, Rigo (even though he may be too old) who have potential to be above GGG, but that is just a potential at this time.

Um I agree with some of what you write but with all due respect I do not see how you could have scored the Trout fight against Canelo for Trout.

[Badhusker]

The Trout fight, if you actually watched it, was a razor thin win for Canelo. It was held in SanAntonio, with open scoring. If you ask why that would make a difference I would say you are ignorant. The refs were a joke, and if held any where else Trout may have won.Very close fight, but bullshit scoring.

[Pureist]

By Dan Ambrose: WBC middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez addressed WBC mandatory challenger Gennady “GGG” Golovkin directly during an interview this week, telling GGG that he’ll “eventually” get the fight against him, but it’s going to take time.

It’s unknown if Canelo is speaking in code by saying that it’ll eventually happen, which could be code for ‘it’s not going to happen in 2016, buddy.’ We’re going to see how serious Canelo is in wanting to defend his WBC middleweight title against Golovkin, because Canelo is going to need to make a decision about the Golovkin fight 15 days after his next title defense against Amir Khan on May 7. Continue reading → That was from another forum so that came from Canelo, not Oscar, Canelo will be known as the Mexican chicken if he doesn't make the fight

[Tanzio]

The Trout fight, if you actually watched it, was a razor thin win for Canelo. It was held in SanAntonio, with open scoring. If you ask why that would make a difference I would say you are ignorant. The refs were a joke, and if held any where else Trout may have won.Very close fight, but bullshit scoring.

The Trout v GingerHead fight was close because of the open scoring. Team GingerHead new the score and he coasted in. I think that he would have ktfo trout if the scoring was not open.

But, who knows?