No you're not good at explaining yourself, that's what everyone is telling you. So for current divisional rankings you go 20 years 5 not enough? It's not 1-2 missed scalps, Floyd had 1-2 wins over the current top 10 when he beat Pac. That's 8-9 missed scalps, much to prove. Canelo was not at welter, look it up, expert.Cygnus475 wrote:What? Am I just not good at explaining myself or do you just suck horribly at reading comprehension?Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:OK great, you got something right. But Floyd beat Pac 3 months before retiring. Youre saying he stopped being The Man in those 3 months? Either way after beating Pac he only had 1-2 current top 10 scalps, so surely not the Man, per your requirements?Cygnus475 wrote:
Very few boxers are "the man" when they retire. Most boxers keep coming back and end up broke or punch drunk. Ggg isn't a 40 year old man who's cleared out his division so again, BAD EXAMPLE. He doesn't have the luxury to cherry pick and put his feet on the table because he still has a lot to prove.
To be fair, Floyd probably got irritated all these young guys kept ducking each other hoping to win the mayweather sweepstakes fighting weak competition.
As for when the last time he was the best at welter...uh, maybe last may when he beat the p4p champ pacquiao??? Pac had beaten bradley, may beat maidana and canelo, everyone else had gotten the crap kicked out of them besides thurman.
Kovalev is about to fight ward and has been trying to make a fight with Stevenson. If he beats ward there is absolutelyno arguing who the top p4p fighter is. Kovalev has Hopkins on his resume for crying out loud.
Question: who has a better resume, wilder or triple g?
As for missing the point, no, if you've been reading the thread I've been making that point from the beginning. If canelo loses or gets stripped ggg is top dog at middleweight and he doesn't necessarily need to fight all these contenders I'm pretty sure he'd beat anyway. I literally already said that a few posts ago.
So you concede GGG is the most dominant champ in boxing, until Kovalev Ward at least. Great, you're already making progress. Now let's get past the next hurdle: yes GGG has a much better resume than Wilder.
Floyd was the man at welter but then he fought berto and ignored his mandatories to retire on top. With him being 40 it was a little bit understandable. The difference is Floyd can come back today and still be right back where he was 10 months ago because he's that good. He's earned it. No one was within 100 yards of being within his tier.
I was saying the opposite. You clearly didn't read or understand my posts. Having 1-2 scalps you missed when you've been dominating 20 years is completely different from missing 5 scalps when you'vebeen dominating 5 years. Its far less of a black mark. And again ggg is still in his prime.
Um, when did I say ggg was the most dominant champ? I said kovalev should be consider the higher p4p fighter like 3 times now. Try to keep up.
Wladmir, kovalev, and chocalatito have been way more dominant and have far less to prove. I would argue Crawford and wilder are on the same peg as him. But if canelo loses or vacates I'll be more than happy to put ggg as top 5.
Mind explaining how ggg is sooo much better than wilder...???
You didn't say Kovalev was more dominant, you talked about his future fights. But I wouldn't argue either way, close call. Top 2 most dominant champ in boxing works. Klitschko lost, right? You watch much boxing?
GGG is unified, with 7 Ring top 10 scalps, and dominant at his weight. Wilder neither, with 1 top 10 scalp. Why would you need help with this?