Lucas Brown Issues Statement

[Sklar]

From what I gather on here Browne tested clean before he arrived in Chechnya.

Says who? PED testing is expensive. Who tested him and why? The only people I've ever known to go to the expense of in-house testing are those checking they've got their cycles right or not. If there was external testing, who did it? I.e. put up a source, other that Hatton Promotions.

[koolkc107]

From what I gather on here Browne tested clean before he arrived in Chechnya.

Says who? PED testing is expensive. Who tested him and why? The only people I've ever known to go to the expense of in-house testing are those checking they've got their cycles right or not. If there was external testing, who did it? I.e. put up a source, other that Hatton Promotions.

A few posts back, I included a link which quoted a VADA spokesperson as saying Lucas was tested at least twice in Chechnya.

Once before the fight and the post-fight test he failed.

VADA runs their protocol similar to WADA and USADA, testing many times randomly thru training camp and up until the fight.

[Sklar]

From what I gather on here Browne tested clean before he arrived in Chechnya.

Says who? PED testing is expensive. Who tested him and why? The only people I've ever known to go to the expense of in-house testing are those checking they've got their cycles right or not. If there was external testing, who did it? I.e. put up a source, other that Hatton Promotions.

A few posts back, I included a link which quoted a VADA spokesperson as saying Lucas was tested at least twice in Chechnya.

Once before the fight and the post-fight test he failed.

VADA runs their protocol similar to WADA and USADA, testing many times randomly thru training camp and up until the fight.

Have VADA at any point stated that the fail was from the 'post-fight' drug test in this case? Or have they merely released the sample serial number? I know what the churnalists have put out but what have the parties that matter put forward?

[Boxing Prospect]

From what I gather on here Browne tested clean before he arrived in Chechnya.

Says who? PED testing is expensive. Who tested him and why? The only people I've ever known to go to the expense of in-house testing are those checking they've got their cycles right or not. If there was external testing, who did it? I.e. put up a source, other that Hatton Promotions.

Salido paid for his own after failing a test vs Guerrero, so it's not impossible for someone to do something like that...

[Maxsplit]

I think they have a good argument even if the B sample comes back dirty.

Hatton Promotions issued a statement saying the following:

Ricky Hatton and Hatton Promotions were made aware on Monday night that Lucas Browne delivered a positive A sample drug test following his world title win over Ruslan Chagaev.

"We believe strongly that boxing should be free from performance enhancing drugs. We believe Lucas Browne to be a clean athlete who arrived in Chechnya a clean athlete.

"We are therefore conducting our own further investigation and cannot comment further at this time."

If the random VADA testing shows him testing clean all the days and months before the fight
I think they may have a real good case for him being given something or accidently ingesting
the substance IN RUSSIA.

the Warlord President gave Chagaev and Browne his own personally prepared, pre-made post weigh in Presidential smoothie as a sign of his hospitality while armed Militia watched on.

He also openly talked about losing a stone and a half in weight through anxiety about the fight

the round times ran on 20 seconds in Chagaev's favour when he knocked Browne down and was cut short by 50 seconds when Chagaev gassed.

He sat ringside in a Purple Velvet Throne.

What do you think happened

[Maxsplit]

[Maxsplit]

[crusader]

the Warlord President gave Chagaev and Browne his own personally prepared, pre-made post weigh in Presidential smoothie as a sign of his hospitality while armed Militia watched on.

He also openly talked about losing a stone and a half in weight through anxiety about the fight.

He was Chagaev's sparring partner. And coached him between rounds.

the round times ran on 20 seconds in Chagaev's favour when he knocked Browne down and was cut short by 50 seconds when Chagaev gassed.

He sat ringside in A Purple effing Velvet Throne.

What do you think happened

[koolkc107]

I think they have a good argument even if the B sample comes back dirty.

Hatton Promotions issued a statement saying the following:

Ricky Hatton and Hatton Promotions were made aware on Monday night that Lucas Browne delivered a positive A sample drug test following his world title win over Ruslan Chagaev.

"We believe strongly that boxing should be free from performance enhancing drugs. We believe Lucas Browne to be a clean athlete who arrived in Chechnya a clean athlete.

"We are therefore conducting our own further investigation and cannot comment further at this time."

If the random VADA testing shows him testing clean all the days and months before the fight
I think they may have a real good case for him being given something or accidently ingesting
the substance IN RUSSIA.

the Warlord President gave Chagaev and Browne his own personally prepared, pre-made post weigh in Presidential smoothie as a sign of his hospitality while armed Militia watched on.

He also openly talked about losing a stone and a half in weight through anxiety about the fight

the round times ran on 20 seconds in Chagaev's favour when he knocked Browne down and was cut short by 50 seconds when Chagaev gassed.

He sat ringside in a Purple Velvet Throne.

What do you think happened

All I know is you never say never when there is a Purple Velvet Throne involved.

Elvis wouldn't...

[Maxsplit]

The Checnyan autocratic military regime has interfered with Boxrec Forums making my post appear 3 times.

Their influence knows no boundaries

[koolkc107]

The Checnyan autocratic military regime has interfered with Boxrec Forums making my post appear 3 times.

Their influence knows no boundaries

No need for re-education, comrades.

I'm certain he was smiling as he typed his post...

[Perseus]

The Checnyan autocratic military regime has interfered with Boxrec Forums making my post appear 3 times.

Their influence knows no boundaries

This statement actually carries far more credibility than the "boogey man did it" excuses for the failed drug test.

[Maxsplit]

The Checnyan autocratic military regime has interfered with Boxrec Forums making my post appear 3 times.

Their influence knows no boundaries

This statement actually carries far more credibility than the "boogey man did it" excuses for the failed drug test.

This is the Bogeyman in this instance:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_ ... #Wikileaks

[Maxsplit]

The Checnyan autocratic military regime has interfered with Boxrec Forums making my post appear 3 times.

Their influence knows no boundaries

This statement actually carries far more credibility than the "boogey man did it" excuses for the failed drug test.

This is the Bogeyman who insisted Browne 'enjoy my hospitality Mr Bond' in this instance a self made 'revovery' smoothie:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_ ... #Wikileaks

[ClivePatrickLyons]

"I would like to assure all my fans, the whole of the boxing world and all of Australia that I am not a drug user or a drug cheat.

"The news of this positive test has shocked and devastated me, and I will be fighting for as long as it takes to clear my name.

"Prior to today I had not heard of the drug clenbuterol and had no idea what it was used for. I am now aware it is essentially a weight-stripping drug, and as a heavyweight boxer the idea of me using it is utterly ridiculous. I am a staunch long-time opponent of any drug use, performance-enhancing or otherwise.

"My team and I were well aware of the many risks involved in going to a place like Chechnya to fight a reigning champion, and believed we had taken sufficient precautions. In addition it was at our insistence that the VADA testing was implemented for the fight."

He is a Aussie battler hope it turns out ok for Big Daddy

[Lackeos]

He must have at least some explaination how it came in his body, is it possible to get it in your body on accident? If I see all those positive tests, I sometimes think, is it really possible that like 20% of the people out there have doping in their body without knowing it?

It's actually super easy. Like, sometimes you'll order a cheeseburger from McDonalds, and it'll be loaded with steroids, EPO, clenbuterol, viagra, you name it. Performance-enhancing drugs are accidentally absorbed into peoples' bloodstreams all the time, and it seems to happen even more often with athletes. That's probably why they're athletes in the first place, is because their body is just naturally more likely to get accidentally dosed with PED's.

[Lackeos]

and why would a heavyweight want or need something to burn fat?

Dude, I don't even know. Isn't fat like the source of all strength? Didn't Usain Bolt have like hundreds of pounds of fat on him when he won all of those Olympic medals? I can't even think of a single reason why a professional athlete aspiring to be world champion wouldn't want to be covered in fat all over. Like, imagine if Michael Jordan was obese. He would've had like 7 championships, because all of that extra fat would've made him faster and stronger.

[koolkc107]

and why would a heavyweight want or need something to burn fat?

Dude, I don't even know. Isn't fat like the source of all strength? Didn't Usain Bolt have like hundreds of pounds of fat on him when he won all of those Olympic medals? I can't even think of a single reason why a professional athlete aspiring to be world champion wouldn't want to be covered in fat all over. Like, imagine if Michael Jordan was obese. He would've had like 7 championships, because all of that extra fat would've made him faster and stronger.

Hilarious.

The last post too.

But, here is more absurd.

Dude waits til days before the tilt to decide he needs to be a few pounds lighter?

Remember, he tested clean all the way thru the fight with only the post fight coming up dirty.

And clenbuterol, of all things, just doesn't work in days- you need weeks of it daily.

So, it's clear you got jokes.

Got any explanations?

[Taki...]

No, it isn't spot on.

Actually, that thinking is rather obtuse.

If you test clean for months, even get to the venue and pass a test taken there
and then all of a sudden test dirty for something that could not have possibly helped
you gain any advantage in the fight in so short a span of time but is also sure to get
you a DQ, any sane person's alarm bells should be ringing loud and long.


He passed EVERY RANDOM TEST in training camp.
He took a test in Chechnya AND PASSED IT.

Meaning whatever he tested positive for post-fight HE MOST LIKE INGESTED WITHIN DAYS OF THE FIGHT OR RIGHT BEFORE IT!!!

Think people!

It's not obtuse though, is it?
The FACT is athletes -- in many sports -- are continually tested AND pass, THEN test positive for banned substances. It happens all the time.
You're speculating with regards to the details of Browne's case. Perhaps it was tainted food -- which seems infinitely more likely than a conspiracy of some kind -- perhaps someone mixed up his supplements, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
Nice to see you jumping to a conclusion rather than waiting to see what happens though.

[asdfjkl]

And clenbuterol, of all things, just doesn't work in days- you need weeks of it daily
Got any explanations?

You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

[dberry]

And clenbuterol, of all things, just doesn't work in days- you need weeks of it daily
Got any explanations?

You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

The fact that eating livestock treated with Clembuterol, basically ventillan for livestock, will give the consumer a positive reading, the fact that Browne was stupid enough to drink a 'registration juice' prepared by the president of Chechniya, Browne's opponent's friend and also that Clembuterol, along with any amphetamines, will have a negative, detrimental effect on distance athletes suggests to me that this is a total stitch up.

[amwsnw]

Ok, so this is for the world heavyweight title. Browne and team hatton knew where they were fighting and who they were fighting and who that person was mates with. I would've thought that a team would send a dietician, chef and its own food - no chances. If this didn't happen team hatton need to reassess their business. If it did and Lucas went against advice then he is paying a huge price. Seems to be little argument it was in his system so I see no way possible he keeps the win or title. Best he can hope for is a rematch.
Lucas body shape and stamina was greatly improved from his previous outings - I hope it was do to hard work.
I'm a Browne fan and have followed his career for a long time. I hope it works out but I doubt it does.

[koolkc107]

And clenbuterol, of all things, just doesn't work in days- you need weeks of it daily
Got any explanations?

You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

Ok, I'll bite.

Given what you are contending about clenbuterol, tell me how he passes a test days earlier then fails it post-fight.

I'll wait...

[asdfjkl]

And clenbuterol, of all things, just doesn't work in days- you need weeks of it daily
Got any explanations?

You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

Ok, I'll bite.

Given what you are contending about clenbuterol, tell me how he passes a test days earlier then fails it post-fight.

I'll wait...

I didn't know he had a test before actually, that's new to me, but if you google what clenbuterol does (to animals) then you know the stuff can't be used for months in a row and you definetly don't need it for weeks in a row daily, like you said. If the test had been over 7 days before the final test it's very logical he hasn't been tested positive, if if happened less then 7 days it's still possible, especially if Browne assumed it was the only test.

It certainly doesn't make it impossible in every case. I don't know what Browne actually eated.

[Batley18]

Seems rather suspect to me. We can all speculate until blue in the face, but we don't really know what Lucas Browne is like. The two arguments I would have are:

1. Given how active Hatton would be in his preparations, and probably his nutrition, I cannot see any chance that he would allow something like this to happen.

2. Given that doping checks are done regularly (at least we hope so), it would seem odd to risk getting caught during a World title fight. I expected Browne to win the fight, and I am sure he did as well, so surely he didn't feel the need to cheat.

Anyway, who really knows.