You say he has been arrested, Boxing News say he has been charged.
They are two different developments at different stages.
Looks like BN beat you to it
Who was first with the story that Delaney was in bother, John? Don't waste posts on this - let's have some more of your excellent inside info from Fight Academy!
You are very defensive Ian. What side of the bed did you get out on.
No bother KOA - I confess I am an irritable bastard of late. Apologies for biting.
As for all this doorman business, it's inevitable that you are going to get people who like a ruck on the doors. You need people who can look after themselves...but how on earth do you find that out? By having fights.
But they have to take an enormous amount of shit from boozed up warriors who won't be told. I know one boxer who was on a door and this bloke literally would not be moved until the guy had agreed to fight him. They would have had to call the law to shift him - or KO him.
They went over the road and the pissed up lad threw a punch which was deftly slipped and returned...goodnight Irene. When I found out, I told the said boxer the risk he was taking...one awkward fall, thin skull, etc and he's banged up, career over.
Mo Hussein , another former commonwealth champion, is currently serving time for a similar incident..
working on the door someone wont leave, starts a fight, Hussein whacks him and the kid dies...
If you wanna fight and cause trouble and then lose because you chose someone who was a better fighter than you......tough shite.... you made that decision.
Its like deciding to play chicken on a motorway... dont complain when a car hits you
knockout wrote:
If you wanna fight and cause trouble and then lose because you chose someone who was a better fighter than you......tough shite.... you made that decision.
Its like deciding to play chicken on a motorway... dont complain when a car hits you
If a person trys to fight a doorman , then they take a risk of getting a beating. fair enough.
But the problem is when someone is being dragged out by a couple of doorman and they or another doorman decides to land a sneaking punch on them, seen alot of damage done like that, just had a case recently in a club that this happened, 25yo ends up with a fractured skull, all he did was start mucking about with a mate, doorman took a dislike and cracked him one on the way out the door.
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:No bother KOA - I confess I am an irritable bastard of late. Apologies for biting.
As for all this doorman business, it's inevitable that you are going to get people who like a ruck on the doors. You need people who can look after themselves...but how on earth do you find that out? By having fights.
But they have to take an enormous amount of shit from boozed up warriors who won't be told. I know one boxer who was on a door and this bloke literally would not be moved until the guy had agreed to fight him. They would have had to call the law to shift him - or KO him.
They went over the road and the pissed up lad threw a punch which was deftly slipped and returned...goodnight Irene. When I found out, I told the said boxer the risk he was taking...one awkward fall, thin skull, etc and he's banged up, career over.
This is all true Ian, but surely, the job of a bouncer should be to restrain people who are violent, not kick the shit out of them?
Bouncers/doormen do not have a licence to bash people up, they are there to prevent trouble developing, not fornicate people up.
I know this is an ideal scenario we are talking about here, and the real world isn't like that, but too many doormen are hired for their ability to intimidate/bounce people off the pavement.
knockout wrote:
If you wanna fight and cause trouble and then lose because you chose someone who was a better fighter than you......tough shite.... you made that decision.
Its like deciding to play chicken on a motorway... dont complain when a car hits you
If a person trys to fight a doorman , then they take a risk of getting a beating. fair enough.
But the problem is when someone is being dragged out by a couple of doorman and they or another doorman decides to land a sneaking punch on them, seen alot of damage done like that, just had a case recently in a club that this happened, 25yo ends up with a fractured skull, all he did was start mucking about with a mate, doorman took a dislike and cracked him one on the way out the door.
happens alot
Of course... that is the other side of the coin... in that situation the poor guy hasnt tried to start a fight and the doorman was completely out of order. Also probably cannot fight for shit... hence the need to get a sneaky punch in...
yeah what most doorman do is to drag you down a alley,and a few of them give you a right hidding,so they go away and tell people dont mess at that club or pub.its happen to me before,alot of then are thugs in suites,to be honest alot of them are on steroides or coke and most cant fight just big lumps .
I've worked doors in a few places. I got into it through a coach of mine who wanted guys with some presence but also guys who could talk. I did it as a side-line through university in town clubs and also when I was off in New Zealand (where I was very obviously not 6 foot 6 and Samoan).
Granted, I'm far from a career bouncer but there were incredibly few situations I came across which couldn't be resolved perfectly amicably, and if someone was being an arsehole and didn't notice the gripper standing waiting to beat the living bejasus out of him then a wrist-lock and a swift exit did the job.
OK, some people do ask for it - the ones who get thrown out and then try to kick the crap out of the doors, etc, but on the whole the number of times I've seen doormen mishandle situations which could have been resolved perfectly peacefully is astounding.
Thing is, it's a rubbish job. You stand out in the cold or sober in a bad club watching arseholes all night. The only thing most people get out of it is the power trip. And the natural extension of the power trip is beating the crap out of some bloke. It's unexcusable, though.
Found this is todays "newspaper"...
Earlier in this thread i had made the point about police getting away with shooting innocent men..
The below case highlights this:
From Todays THE SUN:
No action over gun cops
TWO police marksmen who shot dead an unarmed man should not face disciplinary action, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPPC) has said.
The ruling on the shooting of Harry Stanley was condemned as "bitterly disappointing" by his family's solicitor.
The IPCC report, to be published later today, will say that further action against the two officers is not justified.
But the commission is expected to criticise police procedures
following the death of Mr Stanley - in particular, the way officers are allowed to confer before writing up accounts of an incident.
Mr Stanley, a father of three from Hackney, east London, was shot in the head and hand on September 22 1999 after a table leg he was carrying in a bag was mistaken for a sawn-off shotgun.
Murder charges against Inspector Neil Sharman and Pc Kevin Fagan had already been ruled out and an inquiry by Surrey Police recommended no disciplinary action.
Stanley family solicitor Daniel Machover said: "We understand that the Surrey Police recommendations to the IPCC are going to be followed.
"That will be bitterly disappointing to Irene Stanley, particularly as we
understand that the IPCC agree with us that the accounts of these officers continue to lack credibility.
"That is a very significant finding and in our view, notwithstanding the
decision about charges, the question now is, is this practice of pooling
recollections after an incident, does it obscure a search for the truth?
"If the answer to that is yes, and I think it must be, then this practice
must end.
"No other family should have to think, immediately after the events, that there has been a cover-up because suspects in a very serious criminal investigation are allowed to put their notes together.
"No other suspect is allowed that privilege. It shouldn't happen with police officers."
Mr Machover added: "This is a bitterly disappointing outcome and I doubt there will be anything more that these police officers have to be brought to account over.
"The family is left with a sense that they haven't had justice from this
process and that they want there to be real changes that come out of this.
"Immediately after an incident like this, the officers know they are going to be the subject of a serious criminal investigation.
"And when they know that, they should not be able to pool their recollections and write up their notes together.
"In this case it is so clear that the officers' identical accounts lacked
credibility that it must stop now.
"At both inquests, the police officers' accounts were not believed by two separate juries.
"I think the police must accept that, in this case, this system has been
discredited and should be put aside."
There was an article in last week's Boxing News about a special course for boxers (and other fighters/martial arts etc) who want to work the door. Eric Teymour and Wayne Llwellyn had taken it and rated it
Just looking at the article, I see the contact for the course is Floyd Brown on 208 459 5811 or [email protected]
It's the "Elite Training Certificate" run by Floyd Brown forthe Association of Security Professionals.
