Tyson Could've Been The Greatest, Hands Down.

[silkov]

>>>I know many boxers who felt genuine anger at Tyson like me...<<<

You see, you took it personal and now you have a genuine grudge, which shows in your argument. Tyson did not disgrace anyone but himself. I've never idolized him...I really enjoyed watching him fight, but it didn't break me up when Douglas knocked him out and it didn't break me up when Holyfield did either...I was just like, oh well. I did try to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while after prison, but not after so many screw-ups, but I most certainly will not damn him and excuse another who has broken the exact same rules that exsist for all fighters!

Feeling anger at someone and having a grudge are two different things Barry. For your information one of the things that most angered me is what Tyson had done to himself, the way he has just trashed his talent and career. As I said before I still regularly watch his early fights... would I do that if I had a grudge against him???.
And you keep going on about these rules etc but still havent told me about any other fighter who has bit the ears of his opponent.
You should know that its not just about rules but respect... when two fighters get in the ring togather they have a certain respect and trust in eachother... Tyson betrayed this when he did what he did... but as someone who can't see the difference between a low blow and a bite (or two!) you probably don't know what I'm talking about!...

[silkov]

>>>I'm with Silkov on this. I'd like to see a list of all those instances you know of where boxers have 'taken chunks' out of opponents. I think it's much rarer than you'd have us believe.<<<

I've never said that it was a common occurence, that's how some of you try to twist it, but it's plainly not what I have ever said. I has happened and it has been on several occasions throughout history...and if I happen to read back over the instances in the near future then I'll post it here, but I'm not going to spend a day researching to satisfy someone on a message board...if you want to really know there are plenty of sources on the net that you can look for yourself, so why don't you look for it, I've already read it!

If you're saying that it has happened before then why can't you tell me the details?... if you don't know the details how do you know it has happened before??.... thats hardly backing up your argument. I know of one case when Adrian Dodson bit Alan Bonamea in the later rounds of their fight, which Dodson was behind in... Dodson bit Bonamea once on the neck I belive and was disqualified immeadiately... I don't think he boxed again, but it certainly ended his career. And Dodson didnt bite an actual chunk out of his opponent... and he only did it once!.
Interestingly Dodson was another character who though talented fell apart in fights when he was pressured etc...
As I said this is the closest to the Tyson episode I can recall and it was still a good few steps away from what Tyson did. And yes, Dodson recived nothing but scorn and distaste from other boxers for his actions...

[barry]

>>>Feeling anger at someone and having a grudge are two different things Barry.<<<

A grudge is formed from having anger toward someone!


>>>And you keep going on about these rules etc but still havent told me about any other fighter who has bit the ears of his opponent.<<<

How many times do I have to say it...it doesn't matter...a foul serious enough for a DQ is all the same.


>>>You should know that its not just about rules but respect... when two fighters get in the ring togather they have a certain respect and trust in eachother... Tyson betrayed this when he did what he did... but as someone who can't see the difference between a low blow and a bite (or two!)<<<


O-kay...a fighter getting bit like Golota bit Samson Po'uha is really no different than a low-blow in the heat of battle right. A fighter who takes a small piece of ear cartilage is really no worse than someone reaching down with all their might and nailing an opponent in the balls which turns out to be a shot that not only ends the fight, but also ruptures the opponent who in turn is never able to have children again...now you tell me what would you rather lose...a small piece of your ear that does not really effect anything, or would you prefer to be permanently sterilized from an intentional low blow? Now what is worse to you? Call me what you want, but I believe that the low blow that can do that kind of damage is worse than losing a piece of flesh. Now I know you are trying to argue the point using a very severe bite and putting it with a rather light tap to the groin for your argument, but if you really want to be fair about it and talk about actual severity then the low-blow has to be as bad as the bite, it can't be a little tap and when a fighter is DQ'd for low-blows rarely is it ever from a light tap...sorry, you can't use one mild and the other severe to compare just because it fits your argument better!

[barry]

>>>if you don't know the details how do you know it has happened before??....<<<

Instead of trying to reach for nonsense that doesn't mean shit, try to pay better attention if you are going to respond to something I say. I said that I have read it before, but that I am not wasting a day of my time to satisfy someone on a message board because it wouldn't make one bit of difference how many instances I did list...you will still have the same argument regardless, so why should I waste my time for useless bullshit like that?

[barry]

>>>So, there's no difference between Norris-Santana and Resto-Collins? Then how come Resto went to jail?<<<

Don't be an idiot...you make up too much nonsense as it is!

[Collins2000]

>>>I really feel he should never have been allowed to fight again after that night, it sullied boxings reputation so much....<<<

That is just such bullshit. Do you think Tyson was the first fighter to take chunk out of an opponent? It has happened often in boxing, but what is even worse than that was former German contender Peter Muller knocking out the referee...yet he was able to fight again, but I guess you wouldn't even hold him as accountable as Tyson...right? There have been far worse tragedies than Tyson biting Holyfield...you are just too melodramatic that one incident and less uninformed about some of the rule-breaking that has went on in boxing through the years...Tyson is just an easy target as his deeds have been publicized all over the world!

barry, put aside the persecution complex and give us some examples if it has happened often.

I can't think of any instances where a boxer has bit a chunk off his opponent.

[barry]

>>>barry, put aside the persecution complex and give us some examples if it has happened often.<<<

Like I already told you once...if you really want to know...do the research yourself, or not it doesn't effect me one way, or the other, but until you actually do some research on it then you should keep quiet about it!

[silkov]

>>>Feeling anger at someone and having a grudge are two different things Barry.<<<

A grudge is formed from having anger toward someone!


>>>And you keep going on about these rules etc but still havent told me about any other fighter who has bit the ears of his opponent.<<<

How many times do I have to say it...it doesn't matter...a foul serious enough for a DQ is all the same.


>>>You should know that its not just about rules but respect... when two fighters get in the ring togather they have a certain respect and trust in eachother... Tyson betrayed this when he did what he did... but as someone who can't see the difference between a low blow and a bite (or two!)<<<


O-kay...a fighter getting bit like Golota bit Samson Po'uha is really no different than a low-blow in the heat of battle right. A fighter who takes a small piece of ear cartilage is really no worse than someone reaching down with all their might and nailing an opponent in the balls which turns out to be a shot that not only ends the fight, but also ruptures the opponent who in turn is never able to have children again...now you tell me what would you rather lose...a small piece of your ear that does not really effect anything, or would you prefer to be permanently sterilized from an intentional low blow? Now what is worse to you? Call me what you want, but I believe that the low blow that can do that kind of damage is worse than losing a piece of flesh. Now I know you are trying to argue the point using a very severe bite and putting it with a rather light tap to the groin for your argument, but if you really want to be fair about it and talk about actual severity then the low-blow has to be as bad as the bite, it can't be a little tap and when a fighter is DQ'd for low-blows rarely is it ever from a light tap...sorry, you can't use one mild and the other severe to compare just because it fits your argument better!

I never said anything about ruptures being acceptable and I think biting is abhorent who ever does it, ...Golota is another one who should have been banned for good years ago, his behaviour in the Bowe fights was disgusting and like Tysons, borne out of fear when he was hurt.
I've never said that purposeful low blows are acceptable, nor are purposeful headbutts, but there is still something far more macarbre about actually taking a bite out of your opponent than even the most flagrant low blow...
you keep saying what I can use in my arguments, how about you back up some of your own arguments with some facts?... for instance what did Tyson do in his career that makes you think he could have beaten all time greats???.... how can you mesure him against the greats while ignoring his flaws which would surely find him out just as they did in his career??...

[silkov]

>>>if you don't know the details how do you know it has happened before??....<<<

Instead of trying to reach for nonsense that doesn't mean shit, try to pay better attention if you are going to respond to something I say. I said that I have read it before, but that I am not wasting a day of my time to satisfy someone on a message board because it wouldn't make one bit of difference how many instances I did list...you will still have the same argument regardless, so why should I waste my time for useless bullshit like that?

Swearing doesn't back up your argument Barry, I'm saying that Tysons actions were particularly disgraceful and deserving of punishment and you are acting like it was just a normal disq>>> if it is so normal tell me other examples of boxers biting eachother?.... I gave you one myself for goodness sake!... when will you admit that biting the ears off your opponent is not the same as just fouling him by hitting low or butting etc??.... can't you see any difference????

[barry]

>>>I've never said that purposeful low blows are acceptable, nor are purposeful headbutts, but there is still something far more macarbre about actually taking a bite out of your opponent than even the most flagrant low blow...<<<

I know you didn't...you have been trying to make an argument using the absolute worse bite and trying to compare it with a rather light low-blow, which is great for your argument, but is it really fair to use that type of model to compare? If you are going to compare the worst kind of bite, then you need to compare it with the worst kind of low-blow...anything else would just be overly biased, and the worst kind of low-blow is just as horrible, just as cowardly and even more so damaging to an opponent..is it not?

[Collins2000]

>>>barry, put aside the persecution complex and give us some examples if it has happened often.<<<

Like I already told you once...if you really want to know...do the research yourself, or not it doesn't effect me one way, or the other, but until you actually do some research on it then you should keep quiet about it!

Why?I'm not the one posting bad info, barry. I thought you hated that, mate?

[silkov]

>>>barry, put aside the persecution complex and give us some examples if it has happened often.<<<

Like I already told you once...if you really want to know...do the research yourself, or not it doesn't effect me one way, or the other, but until you actually do some research on it then you should keep quiet about it!

If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!

[barry]

>>>Swearing doesn't back up your argument Barry<<<

I apologize for it, but I just like to swear...I swear everywhere except church!

>>>I'm saying that Tysons actions were particularly disgraceful and deserving of punishment and you are acting like it was just a normal disq<<<

No I'm not acting like it was a normal DQ...that you are making up, or that is what you are imagining, but I have never stated that!


>>>when will you admit that biting the ears off your opponent is not the same as just fouling him by hitting low or butting etc??.... can't you see any difference????<<<

As I said in my last post, If you are going to compare the worst kind of bite, then you need to compare it with the worst kind of low-blow...anything else would just be overly biased, and the worst kind of low-blow is just as horrible, just as cowardly and even more so damaging to an opponent..is it not?

[barry]

>>>If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!<<<

Whatever! Like I told you at the beginning, I usually take you serious, but from now on I'll not pay attention to any thing you say about Tyson as you are just so overly bias with your grudge against him that you just cannot see because of your anger toward him!

[silkov]

>>>I've never said that purposeful low blows are acceptable, nor are purposeful headbutts, but there is still something far more macarbre about actually taking a bite out of your opponent than even the most flagrant low blow...<<<

I know you didn't...you have been trying to make an argument using the absolute worse bite and trying to compare it with a rather light low-blow, which is great for your argument, but is it really fair to use that type of model to compare? If you are going to compare the worst kind of bite, then you need to compare it with the worst kind of low-blow...anything else would just be overly biased, and the worst kind of low-blow is just as horrible, just as cowardly and even more so damaging to an opponent..is it not?

Where have I mentioned a light low blow???. I said that fighters hit low accidentailly and fighters can also be damaged by low blows delivered with great force... but that doesn't make what Tyson did to Holyfield any better?.... why would it. As it is I can't think of any fighters who have been permanently damaged by a low blow except Ken Buchanan against Duran. Fighters are actaully very well protected down there....

[Collins2000]

>>>barry, put aside the persecution complex and give us some examples if it has happened often.<<<

Like I already told you once...if you really want to know...do the research yourself, or not it doesn't effect me one way, or the other, but until you actually do some research on it then you should keep quiet about it!

If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!

Can anyone here recall any boxing match apart from Tyson - Holyfield where a fighter has bit a piece of flesh from his opponent?

This is my research, barry. I'm asking my peers.

I say it DOESN"T happen often and anyone who says it does is posting erroneous information. And I know you hate that, barry.

[barry]

>>>I say it DOESN"T happen often and anyone who says it does is posting erroneous information. And I know you hate that, barry.<<

Well, until you can actually prove me wrong then you are just spewing your usual silly nonsense!

[Collins2000]

>>>If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!<<<

Whatever! Like I told you at the beginning, I usually take you serious, but from now on I'll not pay attention to any thing you say about Tyson as you are just so overly bias with your grudge against him that you just cannot see because of your anger toward him!

So silkov joins the list of those whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by barry.

I see a pattern emerging...

[silkov]

>>>If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!<<<

Whatever! Like I told you at the beginning, I usually take you serious, but from now on I'll not pay attention to any thing you say about Tyson as you are just so overly bias with your grudge against him that you just cannot see because of your anger toward him!

What me saying Tyson isn't top ten and that what he did to Holyfield was a disgrace constitutes a grudge??... I think not, its just my opinion... you are the one who is biased as you keep going down the most interesting routes in order to try and avoid admiting that biting the ears off your opponent is not a particularly admirable thing?. Its not like I'm saying Tyson should be hung or anything????. Personally I think where you have a loyalty to a fighter you leave common sense and reality behind and get caught up in a personal argument.
All along I have simply asked you why you rate Tyson so high and consider him an all time great despite his eating habits (amongst other things) and I'm still waiting for a reply....

[barry]

>>>So silkov joins the list of those whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by barry<<<

No, unlike you and a couple others Silkov usually has very good and pretty solid arguments...it's the clueless idiots like yourself whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by me...so don't try to put yourself on silkov's level because you're not!

[Collins2000]

>>>I say it DOESN"T happen often and anyone who says it does is posting erroneous information. And I know you hate that, barry.<<

Well, until you can actually prove me wrong then you are just spewing your usual silly nonsense!

barry, if you could only 'spew' like me, people on here might take you seriously rather than considering you a bit of a joke.

Next thing you'll be putting up another "Please tell me you love me" poll...

[silkov]

>>>If you cant give examples how can you use it as part of your argument?... that defies commonsense!!!!!<<<

Whatever! Like I told you at the beginning, I usually take you serious, but from now on I'll not pay attention to any thing you say about Tyson as you are just so overly bias with your grudge against him that you just cannot see because of your anger toward him!

So silkov joins the list of those whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by barry.

I see a pattern emerging...

8) Guess I'm just not worthy...

[Collins2000]

>>>So silkov joins the list of those whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by barry<<<

No, unlike you and a couple others Silkov usually has very good and pretty solid arguments...it's the clueless idiots like yourself whose opinion is not worthy of consideration by me...so don't try to put yourself on silkov's level because you're not!

barry, barry, barry, are you still a moderator or is this barry the mere mortal talking?

[silkov]

Well its been fun here tonight but its almost 2 am and I'm off for a bite!... :x :x 8)

[barry]

You know what is the actual tale-tell sign to how pathetic you are Collins? It's that it is you who is constantly following me around this board just jumping in on topics without adding anything to the actual topic and only focusing on me...you're obsessed because I spanked you like a little boy a couple of months ago and it is still eating at you...as is eveident by you following me around and even with you trying to pick your spots, I can still out-wit you any day...I guess that is what is eating at you and why you continue to follow me around! You need to get a life!