barry wrote:You know what is the actual tale-tell sign to how pathetic you are Collins? It's that it is you who is constantly following me around this board just jumping in on topics without adding anything to the actual topic and only focusing on me...you're obsessed because I spanked you like a little boy a couple of months ago and it is still eating at you...as is eveident by you following me around and even with you trying to pick your spots, I can still out-wit you any day...I guess that is what is eating at you and why you continue to follow me around! You need to get a life!
barry, based on today's effort, you couldn't outwit a dead ant.
If you promise to stop posting erroneous information, I'll take my foot off your neck.
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RUBBISH-TOTAL RUBBISH,he was a fair scrapper,but way ,way down the top heavy list,so overated,never tested,but when he was,his glass jaw told us what we already know...a poor boxer,in a poor era,fighting poor fighters,he would have little chance against the big boys,even patterson would have gave him a boxing lesson,then as the rounds clicked by,tyson would have been seen for what he was.
>>>barry, based on today's effort, you couldn't outwit a dead ant.<<<
Well, I again got the better of you and that is good enough for me!
Decagon---Maybe if it had been someone that matters who made your last post then it might have meant something, but being that it came from you...well it's like this...You are not able to get anything on me about boxing, you know what the forum is actually about...boxing, so like most losers you take what you can get which in your case has just been a misspelled word here and there, that's all you have been able to accomplish. Do you really not realize how desperate that not only looks, but how desperate it really is...so desperate that you can only settle for a random error in grammar, but then again, when someone has no clue about boxing, as you so often demonstrate, then they go after things that really mean nothing...it's not like anyone is turning any message board statements in as an English paper...sad...really sad!
Barry you totally miss my point as usual. What I was pointing out is that you seem to think you know everything about boxing and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and doesn't know anything. But for all that you haven't even stepped into the ring. You need to box to get a real understanding about what goes on inside and outside the ring. i.e. if you have boxed you know headbutts and low blows hapepen, but when someone bites then they have some ulterior motive.
Listen Barry I respect that you know alot about boxing that's not in doubt. But everyone has different opinions and you need to learn to accept that. You are not alwyas right. Having lots of videos and magazines means nothing to me. And to me it shows you get your info from other people and sources and base your opinions on that.
My last point is all the people you mention about knowing alot about boxing. Yes they do but at the end of the day does that mean they are always right? I respect them but how do you and them really understand boxing when you haven't boxed yourself? Try it mate and you'll undestand what I mean!
You know what...everything single thing you just said applies to you as well and it applies to me, or anyone else. I'm certainly not going to apologize because I know more than most about a sport that I love. I'll debate boxing until someone starts getting personal and then I'll get personal, and usually do a better job of it than the person who started it. If you had not noticed in the past, I always show respect to people who respect me, but someone who doesn't then I'm going to respond in kind. I have never said that I know everything about boxing! That is just usually a statement which someone else starts saying and it’s usually when I have either proven them wrong about something, or given a better argument on a topic, or just made them look like an idiot for getting personal.
Some, like Decagon and Collins become obsessed and try time and time again to try to get one over on me following me around the forum like stalkers. Hell Decagon has sunk to take what he can get and has resorted to correcting one, or two words that I may misspell from time to time, which that is the only way that he can, in his mind, get one over on me…like anyone really gives a shit about spelling on a message board…I don’t, but I have very good grammar to where it is not even an issue, which makes Decagon even more desperate. They then always start in with the same lame crap line of, "Barry you don't know everything," or "Just because this, or just because that...blah, blah, blah!
Am I arrogant, probably, am I cocky, sure, can I usually back up what I say, absolutely and because of it some people get angry, but I’m not going to apologize for being very well read on boxing history and I will certainly give my opinion on certain issues and I stand behind my opinion no different than you stand behind your opinion. I know I don't know everything, but instead of going after someone and talking about what they do, or don't know, or what they are like, or what they do, like three, or four posters have done on this thread...two of which (Decagon and Collins) are just bitter about making complete dumb-ass comments that I have exposed as being wrong and stupid, so they will jump in any kind of debate that I may be having with someone else and turn it into their own little bitchy argument that tends to stray completely off topic, which they do often and because I do give solid arguments that are most of the time backed by actual facts that I have read at one time, or another some of you guys start claiming that I think I know everything, or that just because someone disagrees with me, I do this, or that...it's basically child's play. But as I said, everything that you just stated applies to you just as much as it applies to me and just because my opinion differs from yours it doesn’t make you right.
One thing I can guarantee though, no one will ever hear me complaining about what someone else knows, or what they think they know yapping about this, or that, or saying, just because you know this, or just because you know that, or you think you know everything and other things of that nature...no one will ever hear me belly-aching about such things!
Decagon wrote:If Barry doesn't agree with you, he goes through the following pattern:
1. Saying, "I won't read any of your posts anymore!"
2. Obsessively reading all of your posts.
3. Threatening to ban you.
4. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
5. Threatening to ban you.
6. Offering a truce.
7. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
8. Threatening to ban you.
9. Offering a truce.
10. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
11. Threatening to ban you.
12. Offering a truce.
13. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
14. Threatening to ban you.
15. Offering a truce.
16. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
17. Threatening to ban you.
18. Offering a truce.
Phew, I thought it was just me!!!!
Does that mean that you are not allowed to tell the truth about Mike Tyson, unless Barry agrees with it?
Just saw the original headline so thought I'd offer an opinion.
He certainly could have been better, but greatest ever? hardly.
When he was young & strong he was never tested. He began to believe
he was invincible, and a motivated Buster Douglas shattered that myth.
Had Cus D'amato lived, he would have kept him on the straight, longer
but the wild child would have re-emerged at some point. He never had
the mental makeup to compete with the all time greats. Marciano never
lost, but he tasted defeat many times inside the ring. His bouts with Walcott & Charles proved that. You must prove that you can handle adversity. Tyson, never did.
Decagon wrote:If Barry doesn't agree with you, he goes through the following pattern:
1. Saying, "I won't read any of your posts anymore!"
2. Obsessively reading all of your posts.
3. Threatening to ban you.
4. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
5. Threatening to ban you.
6. Offering a truce.
7. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
8. Threatening to ban you.
9. Offering a truce.
10. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
11. Threatening to ban you.
12. Offering a truce.
13. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
14. Threatening to ban you.
15. Offering a truce.
16. Obsessively replying to all of your posts.
17. Threatening to ban you.
18. Offering a truce.
Phew, I thought it was just me!!!!
Does that mean that you are not allowed to tell the truth about Mike Tyson, unless Barry agrees with it?
The test of whether you have proven barry knows very little is when he starts whining about people getting personal.
Observe how he makes a dumbass statement like the wannabe that he is and then, when someone calls him on it, he claims they are getting personal. This is from the guy who calls anyone who disagrees with him an 'idiot'.
At this stage notice how barry starts to whine and bleat. He will often mention at this point that he has a full collection of IBRO newsletters. LOL.
But don't worry. Being attacked by barry is akin to being mauled by a senile toothless smelly old dog. It's not nice and you don't feel happy kicking it but you laugh about it later.
Its funny there are 7/8 people on this thread who have disagreed with Barry yet his right and we are all wrong. Me thinks Barry lives in his own fantasy world, complete with all those boxing videos and magazines.
Barry you are an arrogant hillbilly twat, who gets all their info from other sources, not their own opinions Yet you have never had the balls to box!
Arsenal wrote:Its funny there are 7/8 people on this thread who have disagreed with Barry yet his right and we are all wrong. Me thinks Barry lives in his own fantasy world, complete with all those boxing videos and magazines.
Barry you are an arrogant hillbilly twat, who gets all their info from other sources, not their own opinions Yet you have never had the balls to box!
W**KER!
The thing that really annoys me is that barry is driving real fans away from this site by his abusive and aggressive behaviour.
If anyone should be banned, it ought to be barry.
Take a look through the threads. The only constant in all the threads that degenerate into abuse is the presence of barry calling fellow posters idiots etc.
I'm supposed to be the total fornicate up on this board, but I see that this
tread I started is legendary. lol
fornicate with everyone says. Mike Tyson had the best finishing moves I've
ever seen & had Cus lived alot longer Tyson would've shattered all of
Ali's records.
>>>Its funny there are 7/8 people on this thread who have disagreed with Barry yet his right and we are all wrong. Me thinks Barry lives in his own fantasy world, complete with all those boxing videos and magazines.
Barry you are an arrogant hillbilly twat, who gets all their info from other sources, not their own opinions Yet you have never had the balls to box!<<<
It's not my fault that you are too stupid and never learned to read properly...plus where is the 7, or 8 people that you are talking about? On this one thread there were you, Silkov and then Decagon and Collins, who have been following me around the forum ever since I made them look like the idiots they are a couple of months ago, so they don't count for anything. Also, if you had sense enough to pay attention to detail, you would see that the only people who usually ever have a problem with me are wise-ass newbie’s that haven’t been on the forum long. No, the actual respected posters on the site I get along with and they get along with me, which occasionally we will get in a heated argument, but in the end we still respect one another because, unlike a couple of others, we actually bring useful debate to the forum, whereas whiny, new crybabies like you have to earn respect. It’s you juvenile, little boys who are new to the forum that always cry and cry like you and Collins have been doing for the last couple of pages. But back to the question, who are the other four of eight? Seems to me that you are just trying to make up some more bullshit lies since that seems to be about the only thing that you can do! By the way, don’t ever again mention and keep away from my balls. I would bet the farm that people have to be on close guard when you're around and protect themselves from your reach-around move...tell us...how many young boys have you fondled in all those hours in the gym...what is it...do you just have a hard-on fetish for sweaty men?
>>>The thing that really annoys me is that barry is driving real fans away from this site by his abusive and aggressive behaviour.<<<
Driving real fans away...why don't you name me one real fan that I have drove away...can you do that? No you can't, you can just rant you're usual crybaby bullshit that has become so predictable and so very unoriginal. You're just doing your usual bitching and crying because I spanked you like a little bitch a couple of months ago...boo-hoo, but like I said, name me one real fan that I have drove from the site, you know someone who actually contributes something. Hell for that matter, just name anyone that has been run off. See, it’s just you’re usual unfounded crap…looks like you would have learned by now. If it wasn't for me, people like you would make this into a really dumb forum, but luckily I keep idiots like you in check, which has been successful because now instead of yapping about all the unfounded, unresearched nonsense that you use to yap about, you now just focus on insulting me, so things have worked exactly as I planned and instead of spreading false boxing data like you did before, you are now too consumed try to start trouble with me to spread any other crap. You are so very easy Collins!
>>>If anyone should be banned, it ought to be barry.<<<
WAAAAAH...WAAAAAAH...WAAAAAH....Sorry Collins, but you would be banned a long time before I ever would. Like I said a few weeks ago...I have watched idiotic, crybaby trouble-makers like you come and go and the only thing that remains is me and I'll be here a long time after you are gone! Only thing now, I have absolutely no reservations about what I say to you, or any of your butt-buddies.
>>>Take a look through the threads. The only constant in all the threads that degenerate into abuse is the presence of barry calling fellow posters idiots etc.<<<
WAAAAH.....WAAAAH....WAAAAAH. You’re just like a broken record! Do you think anyone really gives a shit what I say to ignorant, dumb-ass trouble-makers like you Collins? Again, sorry, but they don’t and the sooner that you realize that no one gives a shit about what you say then you might actually be able to move on with your life instead of following me around everywhere. But if someone would like to waste their time, go ahead, go back and read all the posts and you will see for yourself that I don’t insult people unless I am responding to someone who has insulted me first, only difference is, I don't continue going on and on and on with it crying about it like a little girl in the manner that Collins here does quite regularly. Hell, it leaves my mind whenever I go to another thread, but crybabies like Collins dwell and dwell on it until it has become the obsession that it now is. Hell, that's very plain to see in Collins as he follows me around butting into boxing threads without offering anything about the actual topic, but instead trying to start an argument with me, just like he did in this thread....you are a couple of sad and very pathetic individuals! Well, for now I’m through with you little whiny, crybabies, I’ve some actual research to do so just continue to cry amongst yourselves and don’t forget to wipe each others runny noses!
You still around Barry? You really are a twat! I've come to realise its us British people you dislike. Nevermind...by the way you ever been out of Virginia you redneck? You know the civil war ended over 100 years don't you?
>>>I've come to realise its us British people you dislike<<<
You have come to "realise?" Check it again there dumbass, it's spelled "realize." Boy for someone who thinks that he is somewhat intelligent; you sure lack a lot of the qualities that make one smart! You must be extra stupid because most English people I know have very good and proper grammar, you must be the exception to the rule. By the way, I don't dislike British people. I have several British friends...I just don't like the inbred idiots like you, it wouldn't matter if you were British, American or any other nationality, you are that rare kind of idiot!
>>>Nevermind...by the way you ever been out of Virginia you redneck? You know the civil war ended over 100 years don't you?<<<
Oh, you’re still just upset because back in 1776 my great, great, great, great grandfather beat the complete shit out of your sissified, tea-sipping great, great, great, great grandfather...get over it you limey prick your family didn’t have what it takes then, and your family doesn’t have what it takes now! Also, “nevermind” is two words, not one. Damn, it must be rather embarrassing to have your English corrected by a redneck hillbilly!
Firstly realise is spelt with an S. Its only you dumb yanks who spell it like that and seeing as you said British have good grammar I think you should accept that. Remember we have been going alot longer than you, then again you probably can't spell because your ancestors are all the scumbags we sent over there because we didn't want them.
You are really showing how stupid you are when you think realise is spelt with a Z. HAHAHAHAH
Secondly calling someone a redneck with the record your country has with race relations is a bit much. Remember we abolished slavery when your country fought was still fighting about it.
J-C before you get involved read the thread from start to finish and see who started the personal attacks! Barry is well known for getting personal when people disagree with him.
Ezzard wrote:The problem with this thread isn't that Tyson didn't amass a decent record. It's to do with the usual talk about "he could have been the best ever". Tyson's probelms have been documented way back. The ridiculous fist fight with Mitch Green being a great example. Tyson was unhinged. This gave him his ferocity and his terrifying ring presence. It made him a top fighter but it also made him psychologically vulnerable to someone who could step back and see him as a man and not some unbeatable mythical monster.
Tyson was not messed up by King and Givens. They didn't help but he was always messed up as the incident with Green (plus countless others) proves. Tyson was built up so much in the public's collective imagination (just as Liston was) that it's impossible to separate the man in the ring from the perception of him as person.
Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Holmes, etc... all got dropped and got up to win in fights. They all overcame tough fights to win. Mike couldn't do this. Even if he'd have not gone to prison, trained like a maniac 25 hours a day and lived like a monk he'd still have not had 30 defences because he was mentally fragile. Boxing is a lot more than who punches hardest and fastest.
Great post Ezzard.
The "If Cus had lived" theory has never quite sat right with me either. Tyson was always a person with 'mental & emotional issues' before, after and DURING his time under the protective wing of his mentor Cus.
Over the years the more I have thought about it the more I have come to believe the if Cus had lived another 10/20 years this would have made little difference to Tysons career in the long run.
