Is Carl Froch English?

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 20 Apr 2016, 19:48

He has recent Eastern European heritage so does this make him British rather than English as some would suggest?

SNG · Post by **SNG** » 20 Apr 2016, 19:52

Why do you care?

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 20 Apr 2016, 20:33

SNG wrote:Why do you care?

If Anthony Joshua can't be English (so say some) because of his Nigerian heritage then does the same ruling apply to Froch*?

Personally, you are what you say you are, but apparently being English is an ethnicity with strict rules

* - Froch doesn't have Nigerian heritage

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » 20 Apr 2016, 21:19

His name is Polish as he once explained. So you can say that he has a mixed ethnic heritage. However, I want to make it very clear that he definitely fought in front of eighty thousand on Wembley.

SNG · Post by **SNG** » 20 Apr 2016, 21:34

Taansend wrote:
SNG wrote:Why do you care?
If Anthony Joshua can't be English (so say some) because of his Nigerian heritage then does the same ruling apply to Froch*?

Personally, you are what you say you are, but apparently being English is an ethnicity with strict rules

* - Froch doesn't have Nigerian heritage

Personally I believe its personal. I've got Irish parents but would never claim to be Irish, I was born and raised here, I'd consider myself English, but I don't think it really matters. Anthony Joshua chose to fight out of and representing Britain, but can't he represent both parts of his life? I do wonder a little about guys like Joshua and Chisora, Lewis too, as it could easily be business decision, but I don't really care what they say or think they are, I just like watching them fight, their nationality or personal identity is an irellevance to me.

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 20 Apr 2016, 22:10

SNG wrote:
Taansend wrote:
SNG wrote:Why do you care?
If Anthony Joshua can't be English (so say some) because of his Nigerian heritage then does the same ruling apply to Froch*?

Personally, you are what you say you are, but apparently being English is an ethnicity with strict rules

* - Froch doesn't have Nigerian heritage
Personally I believe its personal. I've got Irish parents but would never claim to be Irish, I was born and raised here, I'd consider myself English, but I don't think it really matters. Anthony Joshua chose to fight out of and representing Britain, but can't he represent both parts of his life? I do wonder a little about guys like Joshua and Chisora, Lewis too, as it could easily be business decision, but I don't really care what they say or think they are, I just like watching them fight, their nationality or personal identity is an irellevance to me.

My mum is from Cork & my dad's mum was a Paddy Traveller so I guess I'm not English either - although I was born in Plumstead. So I am definitely a Plum.

I just wanted to see if the same people that say Joshua isn't English feel the same about Froch but they've been evading the question. Not sure why

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » 20 Apr 2016, 22:48

Taansend wrote: I just wanted to see if the same people that say Joshua isn't English feel the same about Froch but they've been evading the question. Not sure why

Froch doesn't have Africa tattooed on his right shoulder.

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 20 Apr 2016, 23:26

Tarkus wrote:
Taansend wrote: I just wanted to see if the same people that say Joshua isn't English feel the same about Froch but they've been evading the question. Not sure why
Froch doesn't have Africa tattooed on his right shoulder.

But he does have the last name Froch

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 21 Apr 2016, 03:10

His surname is actually German as he says so in his book, he however is English as he was born and raised in Nottingham.

It's like me with an Irish surname, I was born and raised in England and hence English.

olij999 · Post by **olij999** » 21 Apr 2016, 04:37

We are just one step away from the philosophically challenging threads entitled "Is English Eubank English?" and "Is English Eubank English Eubank?"

Cyclops · Post by **Cyclops** » 21 Apr 2016, 06:13

He is king of Wembley and a citizen of the world

prime · Post by **prime** » 21 Apr 2016, 06:35

I believe he had a grand dad that was Polish which is different to having both parents from abroad.. Common sense.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Apr 2016, 06:36

Oh god not another thread.

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 21 Apr 2016, 06:37

clopixolacuphase wrote:He is king of Wembley and a citizen of the world

He's an international superstar.

reggaereggae · Post by **reggaereggae** » 21 Apr 2016, 07:44

Froch is not full Polish, part Polish and part English. Whereas genetically Joshua is 100% African.

As on the previous thread the issue of nationality, identity etc is complex.

For example: Mikkel Kessler's mum is English, which makes him generically more English than Joshua.... However he has always lived in Denmark and fights under the Danish flag....

The point is - it's a very difficult and imprecise, and to a large extent personal concept. Especially in this age of migration and easy travel. All of my close married friends and family have married someone of a different or partially different nationality / background. Things are getting more complicated and harder to pigeonhole.

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 21 Apr 2016, 07:47

Boxerbeetle wrote:
clopixolacuphase wrote:He is king of Wembley and a citizen of the world
He's an international superstar.

He should have a statue of him landing THAT right hand on George Groves chin infront of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium erected on the white cliffs of Dover to ward off any potential invaders

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 21 Apr 2016, 07:55

Stuarty30 wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
clopixolacuphase wrote:He is king of Wembley and a citizen of the world
He's an international superstar.
He should have a statue of him landing THAT right hand on George Groves chin infront of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium erected on the white cliffs of Dover to ward off any potential invaders

Eff a statue, a looped clip of the knockout punch should be projected onto the face of the white cliffs of Dover at all times.

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 21 Apr 2016, 08:02

Boxerbeetle wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
He's an international superstar.
He should have a statue of him landing THAT right hand on George Groves chin infront of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium erected on the white cliffs of Dover to ward off any potential invaders
Eff a statue, a looped clip of the knockout punch should be projected onto the face of the white cliffs of Dover at all times.

Even better

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » 21 Apr 2016, 10:12

olij999 wrote:We are just one step away from the philosophically challenging threads entitled "Is English Eubank English?" and "Is English Eubank English Eubank?"

Or Does Eubanks Eubank?

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » 21 Apr 2016, 10:14

Stuarty30 wrote: He should have a statue of him landing THAT right hand on George Groves chin infront of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium erected on the white cliffs of Dover to ward off any potential invaders

Or illegal immigrants for that matter. Along with mining beaches. Common sense.

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 21 Apr 2016, 11:14

Tarkus wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote: He should have a statue of him landing THAT right hand on George Groves chin infront of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium erected on the white cliffs of Dover to ward off any potential invaders
Or illegal immigrants for that matter. Along with mining beaches. Common sense.

You're a dark individual Tarkus

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 23 Apr 2016, 14:17

he is English because he claims to be English, but no doubt he is of polish blood like he says from his heritage, which he is proud of . like calzaghe is welsh of a Italian heritage , same as aj he is a Nigerian from irish heritage

. you are who you are .who ever brings you up ,be it a city, parents ,child home , boys home , christian brothers,unless a promoter says otherwise.

whiskey · Post by **whiskey** » 23 Apr 2016, 17:28

Carl's mum is a Geordie who moved down with parents, probably due to the mining.

His dad was born and raised in Nottingham.

His grandparents on his dad's side were polish and Geordies on his mum's side.

Maxsplit · Post by **Maxsplit** » 23 Apr 2016, 18:03

Simplistically :

Froch is 75% English, born and raised in England.

Anthony Joshua 100% Nigerian. 100% born in England. 50% raised in England.

Froch = English
Joshua = adopted Britsh. Clearly Nigerian.

Calzaghe?
Chisora?
Greg Rusedski?

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 23 Apr 2016, 18:10

reggaereggae wrote:Froch is not full Polish, part Polish and part English. Whereas genetically Joshua is 100% African .

If science is to be believed every human on the planet is 100% genetically African.

We live in a land, latterly nation, that has been a destination for invaders, colonists and immigrants for more than 2 millennia.
Just because some of the more recent arrivals are sporting a slighter darker shade of skin doesn't make them any more or less English than Normans, Vikings or Celts.
Maybe an 'ethnically English' race did exist once upon a time, but in the year 2016 we English are a smorgasbord of ethnicities and cultural influences.
In the age of multiculturalism and constantly shifting populations it's not unusual to find people who identify with multiple nationalities, cultures and/or ethnicities.