why can't Britain get behind Tyson/team fury???

[montrealsuper]

The UK and USA media are anti christian and anti white? Fury is an outspoken Christian - the NWO wants to minoritize whites in all white nations - yes Fury can be suffering because of a political agenda which is anti white and anti Christian - there's no other explanation -

[Lenny Cravats]

The UK and USA media are anti christian and anti white? Fury is an outspoken Christian - the NWO wants to minoritize whites in all white nations - yes Fury can be suffering because of a political agenda which is anti white and anti Christian - there's no other explanation -

That's the stupidest thing I've heard all week... And I'm a teacher in a special needs school, FFS.

[wesshaw1985]

Red blooded males fight.. Homosexuals where pretty colours and March!

This is precisely the kind of ignorant negative stereotyping that I find annoying. Not every gay man is a John Inman clone.
The fact is that no-one has been acting as an apologist for either Ali or Joshua, whereas you have done nothing but attack anyone suggesting Fury has been the architect of his own lack of popularity. No-one has belittled his achievements in the ring, and I've yet to see a post where Joshua's accomplishments in the ring have been measured or compared to Fury's.
The only hating going on is coming from you and Wes Shaw.

nobody was asking for an apology for Alis actions.
The majority of people have stated that Fury isn't adored by the British public due to him opening his mouth.
The point was made that in his time Ali liked to talk a hell of a lot, he was loved then and he is loved now.
Tyson Fury loves to talk a hell of a lot and he isn't given anywhere near the same freedom to say what he wants.

As for Joshua you are an AJ-nuthugger and Fury will deal with your man in the ring when they meet...

[Taki...]

Red blooded males fight.. Homosexuals where pretty colours and March!

This is precisely the kind of ignorant negative stereotyping that I find annoying. Not every gay man is a John Inman clone.
The fact is that no-one has been acting as an apologist for either Ali or Joshua, whereas you have done nothing but attack anyone suggesting Fury has been the architect of his own lack of popularity. No-one has belittled his achievements in the ring, and I've yet to see a post where Joshua's accomplishments in the ring have been measured or compared to Fury's.
The only hating going on is coming from you and Wes Shaw.

nobody was asking for an apology for Alis actions.
The majority of people have stated that Fury isn't adored by the British public due to him opening his mouth.
The point was made that in his time Ali liked to talk a hell of a lot, he was loved then and he is loved now.
Tyson Fury loves to talk a hell of a lot and he isn't given anywhere near the same freedom to say what he wants.

As for Joshua you are an AJ-nuthugger and Fury will deal with your man in the ring when they meet...

Funny that you've not yet produced any examples of my nuthugging.
During the 1960s in the US black men used to be hanged while the police turned a blind eye. Society has moved on.
People finally seem to be grasping the idea that attacking and belittling women and minorities is a bit backward, a bit negative, a bit ignorant.
But hey, of course it's completely unfair that society might want to hold people to a higher standard these days. Bring back the good old days of throwing bananas at black footballers, treating the missus like an unpaid slave, and knocking seven shades of shit out of anyone ethnic looking, eh.

[wesshaw1985]

This is precisely the kind of ignorant negative stereotyping that I find annoying. Not every gay man is a John Inman clone.
The fact is that no-one has been acting as an apologist for either Ali or Joshua, whereas you have done nothing but attack anyone suggesting Fury has been the architect of his own lack of popularity. No-one has belittled his achievements in the ring, and I've yet to see a post where Joshua's accomplishments in the ring have been measured or compared to Fury's.
The only hating going on is coming from you and Wes Shaw.

nobody was asking for an apology for Alis actions.
The majority of people have stated that Fury isn't adored by the British public due to him opening his mouth.
The point was made that in his time Ali liked to talk a hell of a lot, he was loved then and he is loved now.
Tyson Fury loves to talk a hell of a lot and he isn't given anywhere near the same freedom to say what he wants.

As for Joshua you are an AJ-nuthugger and Fury will deal with your man in the ring when they meet...

Funny that you've not yet produced any examples of my nuthugging.
During the 1960s in the US black men used to be hanged while the police turned a blind eye. Society has moved on.
People finally seem to be grasping the idea that attacking and belittling women and minorities is a bit backward, a bit negative, a bit ignorant.
But hey, of course it's completely unfair that society might want to hold people to a higher standard these days. Bring back the good old days of throwing bananas at black footballers, treating the missus like an unpaid slave, and knocking seven shades of poo out of anyone ethnic looking, eh.

You want to have Femis babies and when Fury beats your man you will cry for days on end and i will continue to support Fury and his "racist, sexist and homophobic" ramblings.
Maybe in 40years Fury will be handed some form of lifetime achievement award by the bbc...

[Taki...]

nobody was asking for an apology for Alis actions.
The majority of people have stated that Fury isn't adored by the British public due to him opening his mouth.
The point was made that in his time Ali liked to talk a hell of a lot, he was loved then and he is loved now.
Tyson Fury loves to talk a hell of a lot and he isn't given anywhere near the same freedom to say what he wants.

As for Joshua you are an AJ-nuthugger and Fury will deal with your man in the ring when they meet...

Funny that you've not yet produced any examples of my nuthugging.
During the 1960s in the US black men used to be hanged while the police turned a blind eye. Society has moved on.
People finally seem to be grasping the idea that attacking and belittling women and minorities is a bit backward, a bit negative, a bit ignorant.
But hey, of course it's completely unfair that society might want to hold people to a higher standard these days. Bring back the good old days of throwing bananas at black footballers, treating the missus like an unpaid slave, and knocking seven shades of poo out of anyone ethnic looking, eh.

If that's what you like Taki .. Crack on.. Hahaha fool.. Trying to make ali's comments justified you clown.. That interview was at least mid to late seventies.. How old fashioned were ali's opinions.. Stop shooting yourself in the foot.. Save the bullets and put one in your head ffs..


I'm only joking Taki.. But cmon take a effing break..

Oddly enough I wasn't basing my assessment on one interview with Ali.
Love Thy Neighbour was mainstream TV in the 70s. We had the always entertaining black and white minstrels. In the 80s Jim Davison was on prime time TV doing his hilarious Chalky character, and the BBC were happy for the word Paki to be in Only Fools and Horses. Is the world a worse place because none of that shit flies now?
I can't think of anything that would justifiy any kind of bigotry. But why don't you miss the point I was making about society having moved on entirely.
fornicate me, aren't jokes meant to be funny?

[Taki...]

You want to have Femis babies and when Fury beats your man you will cry for days on end and i will continue to support Fury and his "racist, sexist and homophobic" ramblings.
Maybe in 40years Fury will be handed some form of lifetime achievement award by the bbc...

Good on you Wes, you come across as such a well adjusted individual I'm sure you're beating the women off with a shitty stick.
You can support who you like. You can even try and justify 'racism, sexism and homophobia'. At least it makes picking out fornicate wits that much easier.

[jamesmcdonnell]

normally if 2 people strongly disagree on something things tend to heat up quickly.
If you can walk away when things get ramped up then you quite clearly don't feel that strongly about the subject.
Or you do and your a pussy. Either way your opinion doesn't count for anything...

Maybe in your world.

no my friend, in the real world with real people.
If you hear somebody talking badly about a woman, homosexual or a minority on the street would you say something?
if not, then either you agree, you don't feel that strongly about the subject or you are a pussy.
Real people speak up when they see something happening that they don't agree with regardless of if they might get hurt or not...

Snore. Are you going to be in kick-ass 3?

[wesshaw1985]

You want to have Femis babies and when Fury beats your man you will cry for days on end and i will continue to support Fury and his "racist, sexist and homophobic" ramblings.
Maybe in 40years Fury will be handed some form of lifetime achievement award by the bbc...

Good on you Wes, you come across as such a well adjusted individual I'm sure you're beating the women off with a shitty stick.
You can support who you like. You can even try and justify 'racism, sexism and homophobia'. At least it makes picking out eff wits that much easier.

Cheers for your contribution "Taki" it is much appreciated

[wesshaw1985]

Maybe in your world.

no my friend, in the real world with real people.
If you hear somebody talking badly about a woman, homosexual or a minority on the street would you say something?
if not, then either you agree, you don't feel that strongly about the subject or you are a pussy.
Real people speak up when they see something happening that they don't agree with regardless of if they might get hurt or not...

Snore. Are you going to be in kick-ass 3?

How do you figure Jimbo?

[gp.]

If that's what you like Taki .. Crack on.. Hahaha fool.. Trying to make ali's comments justified you clown.. That interview was at least mid to late seventies.. How old fashioned were ali's opinions.. Stop shooting yourself in the foot.. Save the bullets and put one in your head ffs..



I'm only joking Taki.. But cmon take a effing break..

Oddly enough I wasn't basing my assessment on one interview with Ali.
Love Thy Neighbour was mainstream TV in the 70s. We had the always entertaining black and white minstrels. In the 80s Jim Davison was on prime time TV doing his hilarious Chalky character, and the BBC were happy for the word Paki to be in Only Fools and Horses. Is the world a worse place because none of that poo flies now?
I can't think of anything that would justifiy any kind of bigotry. But why don't you miss the point I was making about society having moved on entirely.
eff me, aren't jokes meant to be funny?

Loved those old shows.. And all the grammar they used.. I found them quite funny.. Oldies but goldies that's for sure.. And yes the world is a worse place because they are no longer on the telly.. Now I suppose they wouldn't be aired because oh shock horror people would be "offended".. The world will never ever be free of stereotypes.. It's buried deep in our dna to chuckle at other races with no malice intended at all.. If you don't like it don't watch it.. It's not beamed through your front room window.. It's not on every channel.. There are plenty of choices to avoid being offended.. If you had it your way.. Britain wouldn't be Britain. And comedy cause that's all it is would be banished.. I'd welcome a show that throws the old white insult in there.. No problems at all.. Look at 90% of stand up comedians that are not white.. At least a small portion of their routine is taking the piss out of white people.. And there effing good at I too.. Very funny. Am I offended by it.. Never.. If you can't laugh you'll cry.. And I'd rather laugh all day long.. Than be offended by everything.. Get off your moraly high horse and take a chill pill.. Ali was a huge racist.. Huuuuuuge racist.. Yet you ask any white or Asian or any other race about him.. And they'll tell you butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.. But that's life..

Ali was born in the American south in 1942. Don't you think any claims of him being racist should address the nature of the society in which he grew up?

[SNG]

Exactly. Who should you descend into violence due to a difference of opinion.? Depends whether it requires violence.

normally if 2 people strongly disagree on something things tend to heat up quickly.
If you can walk away when things get ramped up then you quite clearly don't feel that strongly about the subject.
Or you do and your a pussy. Either way your opinion doesn't count for anything...

I haven't read anything as funny as this on here for a while. And I will fight you to the death with a spoon if you disagree.

[man]

Let's face it, charisma is a nebulous thing, and clearly Tyson lacks it

tyson fury has deficits in many departments,
charisma is not among them.

It's a matter of taste I guess.

no it isn't. charisma is he ability to draw
attention to yourself without necessarily
doing much. he has plenty of that.

and of course it is refreshingly different
to have someone brag about his lack of
education and good looks after the ks.
typical move by a charismatic guy.

his work ethic will bring him down very
soon. it is too competitive up there and
fury lacks discipline. maybe he can pull
it off one more time against the old and
overly cautious wlad, but joshua, haye
and possibly wilder will not be that easy.

[Supremo]

Because he doesn't fight on Sky and doesn't have Sky sports propoganda "news" ramming him down the throats of viewers on loop every hour like Joshua etc do.
Matchroom have a monopoly with sky. It is uncompetitive and to the detriment of boxing.

[jamesmcdonnell]

tyson fury has deficits in many departments,
charisma is not among them.

It's a matter of taste I guess.

no it isn't. charisma is he ability to draw
attention to yourself without necessarily
doing much. he has plenty of that.

and of course it is refreshingly different
to have someone brag about his lack of
education and good looks after the ks.
typical move by a charismatic guy.

his work ethic will bring him down very
soon. it is too competitive up there and
fury lacks discipline. maybe he can pull
it off one more time against the old and
overly cautious wlad, but joshua, haye
and possibly wilder will not be that easy.

That is not the definition of charisma. Charisma is the ability to Charm and endear yourself to all and sundry.

Even if Fury did have the platform that Joshua does, I think he'd probably be a bit marmite, his oddball personality and sometimes prickly behaviour would not be everybody's cup of tea. I could be wrong, maybe he will get the platform one day, he deserves it for his achievement in beating Wlad.

I'm not saying Joshua is particularly charismatic, he's pretty dull, but he delivers brutal KO's, and the public likes to see that. It helps he's a young handsome chap, my missus kept harping on about him 'Oh he's a good looking boy isn't he?' she said 'You know he's bent as a banana on a roundabout?' I said. You get my drift anyway.

I agree regarding Fury, whilst he may beat Wlad again (I believe he will, quite handily), there's other fighters out there who are more aggressive who will give him a lot more trouble.

[man]

That is not the definition of charisma. Charisma is the ability to Charm and endear yourself to all and sundry.

Even if Fury did have the platform that Joshua does, I think he'd probably be a bit marmite, his oddball personality and sometimes prickly behaviour would not be everybody's cup of tea. I could be wrong, maybe he will get the platform one day, he deserves it for his achievement in beating Wlad.

I'm not saying Joshua is particularly charismatic, he's pretty dull, but he delivers brutal KO's, and the public likes to see that.

well i have a different perspective. charisma
is not the same as likeable and charms are
not necessarily required. hitler had charisma,
but maybe lacked a little in likability.

charismatic boxers were ali and jack johnson.
mike tyson in my view was not. he was just very
successful within the ring, which is not the same
thing. joshua has no charisma, neither do wlad
and vitali. on the other hand both david haye and
tyson fury have it.

it is a mysterious, rare quality.

[jamesmcdonnell]

That is not the definition of charisma. Charisma is the ability to Charm and endear yourself to all and sundry.

Even if Fury did have the platform that Joshua does, I think he'd probably be a bit marmite, his oddball personality and sometimes prickly behaviour would not be everybody's cup of tea. I could be wrong, maybe he will get the platform one day, he deserves it for his achievement in beating Wlad.

I'm not saying Joshua is particularly charismatic, he's pretty dull, but he delivers brutal KO's, and the public likes to see that.

well i have a different perspective. charisma
is not the same as likeable and charms are
not necessarily required. hitler had charisma,
but maybe lacked a little in likability.

charismatic boxers were ali and jack johnson.
mike tyson in my view was not. he was just very
successful within the ring, which is not the same
thing. joshua has no charisma, neither do wlad
and vitali. on the other hand both david haye and
tyson fury have it.

it is a mysterious, rare quality.

Hitler endeared himself to the population of Germany, which is why he was elected chancellor, and therefore he was clearly very popular with the masses.

charisma
/kəˈrɪzmə/
noun
noun: charisma; plural noun: charismata
1.
compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.

Jack Johnson was a social pariah in his own time, and hated by most (due to racial views at the time) - he is charismatic to the eyes of modern audiences because of what he did and how he achieved it against the odds, but you might say he was posthumously charismatic.

Ali had it in spades, though he was vilified for much of his early career, he came to be adored by the public and media, almost universally (aside from round Joe Frazier's house) - if ever a man embodied Charisma, it is Ali, without a doubt the most famous sportsman of time, even now.

[man]

Hitler endeared himself to the population of Germany, which is why he was elected chancellor, and therefore he was clearly very popular with the masses.

charisma
/kəˈrɪzmə/
noun
noun: charisma; plural noun: charismata
1.
compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.

Jack Johnson was a social pariah in his own time, and hated by most (due to racial views at the time) - he is charismatic to the eyes of modern audiences because of what he did and how he achieved it against the odds, but you might say he was posthumously charismatic.

Ali had it in spades, though he was vilified for much of his early career, he came to be adored by the public and media, almost universally (aside from round Joe Frazier's house) - if ever a man embodied Charisma, it is Ali, without a doubt the most famous sportsman of time, even now.

we have partially different views on the
subject. charisma to me is a personal
quality and white people making jack
a pariah doesn't take away the magic
quality he had around himself, which
showed in the reverence the black folks
had for him. joe louis was way more
popular, while in my view had way less
charisma.

a charismatic person enters a room and
everyone realises him before he has said
a single word or done a single thing. i
exaggerate, but i think it indeed is like
that. you just look up when this kind of
human enters the scene.

btw, there are other definitions as well,
like:

: a personal magic of leadership arousing
special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for
a public figure (as a political leader)

[foxdog1923]

I doubt the Queen would get behind Tyson Fury.

[Kalan]

Most British boxing fans are fans of Tyson Fury and want him to do well.

They ARE behind him... It's just that he likes to be controversial... America was behind Ali -- except for all the haters. Everybody has them but some boxers attract a lot more than others. Mayweather has three 7-foot tall body guards because he likes to say controversial things. So does Pacquiao. I guess they told Pacquiao "The more you talk the more you're in the news" ... but you can't say stupid things. There's a fine line.

[squiggy]

But where does this "you can't say stupid things (anymore)" sentiment come from? There are obviously still prominent public figures saying stupid (or bigoted, which really isn't all that different) things all the time, or we wouldn't even be able to have the conversation. They sometimes face backlash or other consequences, but none of that amounts to them not being able to speak their mind -- or become heroes to the kind of people who find it refreshing to hear stupid things from the mouths of public figures. Some of them even go on to completely baffling political success.

[Taki...]

But where does this "you can't say stupid things (anymore)" sentiment come from? There are obviously still prominent public figures saying stupid (or bigoted, which really isn't all that different) things all the time, or we wouldn't even be able to have the conversation. They sometimes face backlash or other consequences, but none of that amounts to them not being able to speak their mind -- or become heroes to the kind of people who find it refreshing to hear stupid things from the mouths of public figures. Some of them even go on to completely baffling political success.

I think there's a difference between reasonable objection and taking offence. Some people genuinely do not understand what is and is not an offensive comment or joke. And that works both ways -- those being 'offensive' and those taking 'offense'. Ricky Gervais made a joke about Caitlyn Jenner (sp?) and some people suggested it was transphobic, but he quite rightly pointed out that if ANY joke about Jenner -- irrespective of context or content -- is transphobic then any joke about Bill Cosby must be racist.
There seem to be almost as many people desperately searching for something, anything to be outraged by as there are people saying genuinely offensive things. Between them they muddy the waters to the point where it's hard -- for many -- to distinguish between forthright, plain speaking, honesty and outright bigotry.

[ikorolev]

I am guessing Fury is now recruiting muslims and other anti-semitic fans:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/13/boxings-t ... the-banks/?

But would civilized people get behind a bastard like Fury ?

[sweetviolenturge]

Let's just hope that the Wladimir that I expect to show up, actually shows up & knocks Fury the f**k out.
I'd be more confident in that taking place had there been some changes made in Klitschko's camp, but I haven't heard anything about it. But, then again, things have been very quiet on that end & that may be a very good thing. Hopefully, it means that Wlad is 110% focused on training & it will show on fight night.
If it does, then we should know fairly early because Klitschko will let his hands go early & often. And if he does that & keeps his work rate high while cutting off the ring & pressuring Fury, I think he stops him.

[Noxy]

Who cares if they can't get behind him. Each to their own (I'm a fan by the way)