Negatives On Floyd's Legacy

[bnovelist]

1.) He didn't fight this version of Cotto he opted to retire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iezZiSXNB3Y

Till the day I DIE I will always say that this version of Cotto 2007-2008 would have defeated Mayweather but Floyd dodged a bullet!

[Stuarty]

He waited and fought Cotto, Pacquiao and Mosely after they were past their best. All three of them in their pomp would have had a fair chance against Floyd. He's been well managed.

[Ricky_]

Prime Mosley would have knocked Floyd out. He's retired without a single win against an elite fighter in their prime.

[fanman]

To be fair he did give cotto a whole weight division advantage when they fought.
He beat prime; corrales, castillo, hatton, judah.
Near prime; pacquiao, canelo, marquez.
And at a weight disadvantage to; canelo, cotto, de la hoya.
Not a bad legacy.

[ElJefe]

The biggest negative of his legacy is fighters protecting their 0 too much.

[jezzamundo]

Cotto in his prime was good, but never great and never good enough to beat Floyd.

Not fighting Pacquiao in 2010 is a far bigger negative - I slight favour Manny to win a decision in that matchup. I'd favour Mosley and De La Hoya both to beat Floyd in their respective welterweight primes, but Floyd was operating at lower weights at the time, so it's not his fault those fights didn't happen until both were past their best. I'm not sure how a fight with GGG at 154lb would have gone, but with Floyd nearing 40, I don't blame him for not wanting that action.

Floyd is great, probably best fighter of his generation and one of the 25 greatest of all time.

[man]

near prime; pacquiao, canelo

disintelligent statements.

[Ricky_]

near prime; pacquiao, canelo

disintelligent statements.

disintelligent

I agree btw, but that's a brilliant word in so many ways.

[Tony1244]

Floyd is a great fighter, but a jerk outside of the ring.

He did duck Pacquiao in 2010 and did duck Mosley at his best.

But a lot of top guys over the years have ducked fighters for one reason or the other. Marciano wasn't too interested in the other Floyd (Patterson). Dempsey would have nothing to do with a black fighter.

And one that pisses me off perhaps the most is Tyson wanted no part of of George Foreman.

[keithmoonhangover]

And one that pisses me off perhaps the most is Tyson wanted no part of of George Foreman.

[Tony1244]

And one that pisses me off perhaps the most is Tyson wanted no part of of George Foreman.

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

[keithmoonhangover]

And one that pisses me off perhaps the most is Tyson wanted no part of of George Foreman.

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

[jamesmcdonnell]

near prime; pacquiao, canelo

disintelligent statements.

Ironically, there is no such word as 'disintelligent.'

It's Unintelligent. Or if you prefer, ignorant.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

I've heard from a few sources that Tyson was terrified of Foreman.

[Rexob]

There is none he has played a blinder

[Tony1244]

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

Source? Sure about this?

[keithmoonhangover]

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

Source? Sure about this?

Source: George Foreman.

Sure: Yes.

[Tony1244]

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

Source? Sure about this?

Source: George Foreman.

Sure: Yes.

Mike Tyson wanted no part of GF.

http://www.BS.com/forums/archi ... 32372.html

Don King may have made an offer but apparently Tyson wasn't onboard.

[states]

Are you doubting the veracity of this?


Tyson pretty much has admitted it.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

I've heard from a few sources that Tyson was terrified of Foreman.

It's done the rounds more than once. For all his cuddly Grill salesman persona, Foreman is a scary man, it seems.

[Tony1244]

Foreman was offered the fight after the Cooney fight and turned it down.

I've heard from a few sources that Tyson was terrified of Foreman.

It's done the rounds more than once. For all his cuddly Grill salesman persona, Foreman is a scary man, it seems.

I remember him as the guy who knocked Frazier and Norton into another dimension, but apparently he is now the go-to-guy if you have an invention.

Go figure...

[gilgamesh]

He waited and fought Cotto, Pacquiao and Mosely after they were past their best. All three of them in their pomp would have had a fair chance against Floyd. He's been well managed.

He was calling out Mosley in 2003.

[states]

I remember him as the guy who knocked Frazier and Norton into another dimension, but apparently he is now the go-to-guy if you have an invention.

Go figure...

Well, that is most definitely true. But what I mean is that he did reinvent himself as a 'cuddly uncle' type, but deep down he was still the scary fornicator that terrified folks back in the day.

[tiny_acres]

He waited and fought Cotto, Pacquiao and Mosely after they were past their best. All three of them in their pomp would have had a fair chance against Floyd. He's been well managed.

He was calling out Mosley in 2003.

Yes he was calling Mosley out. Mosley laughed it off.
Can'tblame Floyd for this one.

[crusader]

Incidentally about cuddly George, I've heard several accounts of people meeting him and for the most part they are quite negative....maybe they're unrepresentative, but they do make me wonder if he really is an unfriendly guy.

[Badhusker]

Its easy to find negatives for most any boxer's legacy, but a few of the ones mentioned in this thread questionable, and some are laughable.

Floyd called out both Mosley and DLH in the early 2000's, and would have moved up to fight them. Neither were interested. When he did fight DLH, it was at 154, and Floyd was outweighed by 16 or 17 lbs fight night. If Floyd would have fought DLH at 147, there would not be a discussion about DLH beating him earlier. We saw a year or so later how DLH performed at 147. DLH had just turned 34, so to say he was way past his prime is a stretch, with only about 40 fights.

When Floyd fought Mosley in 2010, Pacquiao had turned him (Mosley) down for a fight with Roach saying he was too dangerous, too good of a fighter. Mosley was the #1 or #2 welter at the time. Roach and many others said Floyd would never take that fight.

When Cotto was in his "prime", never did he make an offer to fight Floyd, and had not after that either. Hell, Cotto didn't even fight the other top 140 guys at the time, when Tszyu, Ricky Hatton, Mayeather, and Arturo Gatti were all at the weight. Cotto was struggling to make 147, so the 145 lb catchweight wasn't a good idea for him. Floyd eventually fought him at 154, so like DLH, was a much better version than what Pac fought.

Pacquiao ducked the test, and pulled out of the fight because of it in 2010, and Roach later admitted the fight not happening then was on them. Still, some of you think Floyd did the ducking. For some reason, Pacquiao refused to be randomly tested during his "prime".

Floyd also gets criticized for fighting JMM, who called Floyd out after his retirement of nearly 2 years. JMM was #2pfp at the time, and the odds were only 2-1 in Floyds favor. I suppose someone will spin that as a negative on his legacy too.