GGG Damaged Goods

[Badhusker]

His resume as a Middleweight is second to none. He has a victory over future Heavyweight Champion Gene Tunney, and a victory over the defensive specialist Tiger Flowers along with numerous other great fighters. Ranking of All Time Great fighters is subjective, but Greb's resume is as good as any Middleweight that has ever lived.

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Greb is the only boxer to beat Tunney, and Tunney was a light heavy. I read he fought the latter part of his career with only vision in one eye. He is the best middle of all time easily, imo.

Achievement wise, probably, but there is no way he could beat Golovkin. For starters, he would likely fight as a welterweight now.

Maybe welterweight his first years of competition, but not after. Its hard to compare different times on an even playing field, but if GGG had to fight 3 times a month instead of 3 a year, with lighter gloves and only a few days, week, or 2 weeks inbetween bouts, I doubt if he would have been undefeated. Very few boxers today would have withstood the grind and wear and tear on their body. Greb did it for 13 years, and fought injured many times.

[Ian1973]

His resume as a Middleweight is second to none. He has a victory over future Heavyweight Champion Gene Tunney, and a victory over the defensive specialist Tiger Flowers along with numerous other great fighters. Ranking of All Time Great fighters is subjective, but Greb's resume is as good as any Middleweight that has ever lived.

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Greb is the only boxer to beat Tunney, and Tunney was a light heavy. I read he fought the latter part of his career with only vision in one eye. He is the best middle of all time easily, imo.

Achievement wise, probably, but there is no way he could beat Golovkin. For starters, he would likely fight as a welterweight now.

This is why it is practically impossible to compare eras. Does anyone seriously think Ali or Marciano or Tyson would beat the 6'9" Fury or Wilder? They would be way too small and with todays advanced training methods etc they would have next to no chance.

You can't accurately judge a middleweight from over 50 years ago with one from today. Golovkin would absolutely obliterate Greb.

[Counter-puncher]

Does anyone seriously think Ali or Marciano or Tyson would beat the 6'9" Fury or Wilder? They would be way too small and with todays advanced training methods etc they would have next to no chance.
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so make a more accurate comparison: would Marciano at, i think 185lbs, that'd be a light heavyweight at most nowadays, would he beat Stevenson?

[Badhusker]

Ali beat 6'6" Ernie Terrell. Dempsey beat 6'7" Jess Willard, who was about 70lbs heavier and 6" taller. Max Baer beat Primo Carnera, who was about 6'7" and about 270. Pretty much everyone Tyson fought was taller than him, and probably most outweighed him.

Sure it can happen. Marciano, Dempsey, and Patterson were small heavys, and would have been light heavys or cruisers today. They would have been competitive, for sure.

To me it is a two way street comparing guys from now to back then. Bring the guys from yesteryear to now and they would probably be outclassed due to better technique, nutrition, etc. Now, take todays guys and throw them back in time, and doubt most would have the mental toughness to get through it. Get hammered on with 4-6oz horsehair gloves for 10 or 15 rounds and have to fight next week? No air conditioning, no gatorade, no peds! Forget it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

However redoubtable Greb was, if someone came into my gym and shadowboxed like that I'd laugh my ass off.

He was clowning around. It was supposed to be funny.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Does anyone seriously think Ali or Marciano or Tyson would beat the 6'9" Fury or Wilder? They would be way too small and with todays advanced training methods etc they would have next to no chance.
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so make a more accurate comparison: would Marciano at, i think 185lbs, that'd be a light heavyweight at most nowadays, would he beat Stevenson?

Tyson Fury wouldn't land a punch on Ali. It's comedic how people think a 6'3 210 pound man in great shape is puny. Marciano would blast Stevenson and Fury.

[boxing_rocks]

However redoubtable Greb was, if someone came into my gym and shadowboxed like that I'd laugh my ass off.

He was clowning around. It was supposed to be funny.

No, he wasn't.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

However redoubtable Greb was, if someone came into my gym and shadowboxed like that I'd laugh my ass off.

He was clowning around. It was supposed to be funny.

No, he wasn't.

He absolutely was.

[boxing_rocks]

He was clowning around. It was supposed to be funny.

No, he wasn't.

He absolutely was.

Did he tell you?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No, he wasn't.

He absolutely was.

Did he tell you?

yes

[boxing_rocks]

He absolutely was.

Did he tell you?

yes

Was he in the same room with Julius Caesar and Napoleon?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I'm very sorry Canelo for what I was saying about you and that GGG is for real I was veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong

[crusader]

I'm very sorry Canelo for what I was saying about you and that GGG is for real I was veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong

Sorry for the guy who gave up his belt to GGG so he could fight Liam Smith

If Canelo was serious about facing GGG we probably wouldn't be talking about this figjt

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I'm very sorry Canelo for what I was saying about you and that GGG is for real I was veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong

Sorry for the guy who gave up his belt to GGG so he could fight Liam Smith

If Canelo was serious about facing GGG we probably wouldn't be talking about this figjt

Liam Smith and then GGG fights A welterweight the same reason I was bagging Canelo and now your silly comment what the f.ck is this world coming tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[dberry]

I'm very sorry Canelo for what I was saying about you and that GGG is for real I was veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong

Sorry for the guy who gave up his belt to GGG so he could fight Liam Smith

If Canelo was serious about facing GGG we probably wouldn't be talking about this figjt

Wait, you are now trying to debate the mentally ill.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I'm very sorry Canelo for what I was saying about you and that GGG is for real I was veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong

Sorry for the guy who gave up his belt to GGG so he could fight Liam Smith

If Canelo was serious about facing GGG we probably wouldn't be talking about this figjt

Wait, you are now trying to debate the mentally ill.

Listen I just said sorry to Canelo for bagging him for not fighting GGG and fighting Welterweight's who by the way are 2 weight division's below Middleweight's I was shocked when Team GGG came out with the same sh.t by fighting Kell Brook A welterweight who like Khan aint even the BEST Welterweight in the World so can you figger that for me or am I mentally ill if I keep listening to people like you I will be ...............Mentally Ill

[dberry]

Sorry for the guy who gave up his belt to GGG so he could fight Liam Smith

If Canelo was serious about facing GGG we probably wouldn't be talking about this figjt

Wait, you are now trying to debate the mentally ill.

Listen I just said sorry to Canelo for bagging him for not fighting GGG and fighting Welterweight's who by the way are 2 weight division's below Middleweight's I was shocked when Team GGG came out with the same sh.t by fighting Kell Brook A welterweight who like Khan aint even the BEST Welterweight in the World so can you figger that for me or am I mentally ill if I keep listening to people like you I will be ...............Mentally Ill

I'm talking about your typing/posting style but while we're on the subject, if all my negotiations for the past several months had been scuppered and the promoter Id been dealing with offered me a in nine weeks for an absolute truck load of cash when it looked like I might not even get another opportunity this year then I'd fight a handicapped fornicating midget, I don't know about you. A career best payday and an opportunity to broaden the fanbase in another, boxing friendly country when getting another fight this year was looking bleak would be too good an opportunity to pass up, it's not like team Golovkin chased this fight, in fact, they're in the position they're in due to chasing legit middleweight title challenges/defences.

[Pureist]

^^^^^^ couldn't agree more, when your between a rock and a hard place you do what you have to

[Bard of Boxrec]

Does anyone seriously think Ali or Marciano or Tyson would beat the 6'9" Fury or Wilder? They would be way too small and with todays advanced training methods etc they would have next to no chance.
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so make a more accurate comparison: would Marciano at, i think 185lbs, that'd be a light heavyweight at most nowadays, would he beat Stevenson?

Tyson Fury wouldn't land a punch on Ali. It's comedic how people think a 6'3 210 pound man in great shape is puny. Marciano would blast Stevenson and Fury.

But...but....but...

TOO BIG TOO STRONG MODERN NUTRITION LOLZ

Also I guess Ian1973 didn't notice Fury getting decked by Pajkic and Cunningham.

[boxing_rocks]

You can't compare Fury who is a good boxer with quite a few drawbacks with the ATG from 1970s, but I am sure he would beat anybody from 1920s.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It makes me laugh when we hear so much about these 'advanced training methods' and yet modern heavyweights are blowing our of their arses after only 30 seconds of sustained effort, whereas the guys in the 1970's could fight at a hectic pace for 15 rounds.

If these modern training methods are so advanced, why are the modern heavyweights such poor athletes in general?

[boxing_rocks]

It makes me laugh when we hear so much about these 'advanced training methods' and yet modern heavyweights are blowing our of their arses after only 30 seconds of sustained effort, whereas the guys in the 1970's could fight at a hectic pace for 15 rounds.

If these modern training methods are so advanced, why are the modern heavyweights such poor athletes in general?

The bigger you are, the worse your conditioning is with the same training.

[Ian1973]

so make a more accurate comparison: would Marciano at, i think 185lbs, that'd be a light heavyweight at most nowadays, would he beat Stevenson?

Tyson Fury wouldn't land a punch on Ali. It's comedic how people think a 6'3 210 pound man in great shape is puny. Marciano would blast Stevenson and Fury.

But...but....but...

TOO BIG TOO STRONG MODERN NUTRITION LOLZ

Also I guess Ian1973 didn't notice Fury getting decked by Pajkic and Cunningham.

I did. I also noticed Ali being floored by Cooper who despite the adoration of the British public was never world class.

Fury in the fights you mentioned was a work in progress he isn't anymore.

[dberry]

WOW! Just WOW!

[boxing_rocks]

Tyson Fury wouldn't land a punch on Ali. It's comedic how people think a 6'3 210 pound man in great shape is puny. Marciano would blast Stevenson and Fury.

But...but....but...

TOO BIG TOO STRONG MODERN NUTRITION LOLZ

Also I guess Ian1973 didn't notice Fury getting decked by Pajkic and Cunningham.

I did. I also noticed Ali being floored by Cooper who despite the adoration of the British public was never world class.

Fury in the fights you mentioned was a work in progress he isn't anymore.

If Fury has reached his ceiling, then it is not high.