Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

[NateJR]

You are a bunch of cry babies. Canelo and GGG will fight within the next calendar year. Canelo isn't scared of GGG, Canelo is like 25 years old, he has no reason to jump into this fight. Canelo is being well advised to not take this fight in pride, give yourself time to prepare for the fight and get everything in order. The fact this GGG fucktards act like Canelo is scared are idiots, yes it pisses me off when a bunch of internet pussies start calling real fighters pussies and scared.

I doubt this fight will happen next year as the multitude of excuses they make will continue. Whats his reason not to fight GGG? Canelo was a multi-million dollar draw card (we'll see his ppv numbers after the smith fight). He is a multi millionaire, surely he has enough money and surely he could secure another multi million dollar check with a GGG fight. The fight that all the fans around the world want to see. The fight that would be excellent for boxing. He's younger and in his prime which physically is an advantage, plus he has more pro fight experience. What are you talking about give himself time, prepare for the fight and get everything in order?.....what do you mean like make sure his makeup in on right and he has a nice dress picked out?



Shouldn't he be challenging himself after "dominating" his special weight class. He's a very big boy, he should fight another big boy.

What I mean by that is it takes time to make a fight of this magnitude. That fight isn't going anywhere. Make sure the best deal can be worked out and it reaches its most lucrative point. This fight is big among the boxing fans but it has yet to reach the mainstream the way a fight of this magnitude should. I understand there are people who are inpatient little girls stomping their feet because they're not getting what they want when they want it. It works me to no end when I start hearing fighter A is scared of fighter B and so on. If I remember right both Canelo and DLH were involved in some of the most lucrative fights in history, they know what it takes. GGG on the other hand fights tomato cans, he has no idea what it takes to make a fight with kind of money involved.

[Pureist]

So jnr, how do you manage to contradict yourself in such a short paragraph, if GGG only fights tomato cans and it hasn't reached the mainstream fans, how is it a fight of such magnitude, Canelo doesn't mind fighting smith, where is the difference, the difference is that Canelo said he was going to fight GGG in front of millions and from there he put his tail between his legs, thrown the be belt and fighting the weakest, Unknown JMW title holder in the division

[NateJR]

So jnr, how do you manage to contradict yourself in such a short paragraph, if GGG only fights tomato cans and it hasn't reached the mainstream fans, how is it a fight of such magnitude, Canelo doesn't mind fighting smith, where is the difference, the difference is that Canelo said he was going to fight GGG in front of millions and from there he put his tail between his legs, thrown the be belt and fighting the weakest, Unknown JMW title holder in the division

Fighting tomato cans has nothing to do with what GGG is capable of. GGG has dismantled his opponents the way he should have based on the opposition put in front of him, as weak as it may have been. IMO Canelo did the right thing when it came to vacating the title, as I mentioned earlier this fight isn't going anywhere, why rush into it with a deadline when the fight will only get bigger. The last thing this fight needs is a deadline, all that does is complicates the negotiations and puts pressure on a event and everyone around it. I have yet to contradict myself, you just don't seem capable of comprehending the obvious reasons for vacating a title so you resort to the old trusty "he's scared" argument.

[lazboy]

You are a bunch of cry babies. Canelo and GGG will fight within the next calendar year. Canelo isn't scared of GGG, Canelo is like 25 years old, he has no reason to jump into this fight. Canelo is being well advised to not take this fight in pride, give yourself time to prepare for the fight and get everything in order. The fact this GGG fucktards act like Canelo is scared are idiots, yes it pisses me off when a bunch of internet pussies start calling real fighters pussies and scared.

I doubt this fight will happen next year as the multitude of excuses they make will continue. Whats his reason not to fight GGG? Canelo was a multi-million dollar draw card (we'll see his ppv numbers after the smith fight). He is a multi millionaire, surely he has enough money and surely he could secure another multi million dollar check with a GGG fight. The fight that all the fans around the world want to see. The fight that would be excellent for boxing. He's younger and in his prime which physically is an advantage, plus he has more pro fight experience. What are you talking about give himself time, prepare for the fight and get everything in order?.....what do you mean like make sure his makeup in on right and he has a nice dress picked out?



Shouldn't he be challenging himself after "dominating" his special weight class. He's a very big boy, he should fight another big boy.

What I mean by that is it takes time to make a fight of this magnitude. That fight isn't going anywhere. Make sure the best deal can be worked out and it reaches its most lucrative point. This fight is big among the boxing fans but it has yet to reach the mainstream the way a fight of this magnitude should. I understand there are people who are inpatient little girls stomping their feet because they're not getting what they want when they want it. It works me to no end when I start hearing fighter A is scared of fighter B and so on. If I remember right both Canelo and DLH were involved in some of the most lucrative fights in history, they know what it takes. GGG on the other hand fights tomato cans, he has no idea what it takes to make a fight with kind of money involved.

I can only see two reasons why this fight hasn't been made. To simplify what you just said.... Number one is greed. Thats what you are saying. They are postponing this fight because of Cannelo's and DLHs greed. You said it yourself about them having had the most lucrative careers and yet they refuse to give the fans and boxing what it wants after the millions of dollars they have already made. There's nothing admirable about greed, whether your a boxer, politician, civilian. Not to mention its clear as day to see.

Number two is fear. Now I understand you objecting to people calling Canelo a coward and so on. I agree that he's not cowardly in the traditional sense. If he HAD to fight GGG he would and he would put up a good fight. But its not black and white like that. If you ignore greed, then maybe he fears his reputation will be ruined if he looses, maybe he fears that more than being knocked out. That also goes back to Greed though because without his reputation he looses money OR maybe its simpler. Maybe he always believes he can't be hurt entering the ring as he generally outweighs or is obviously better skilled than his opponents maybe he needs that psychological and physical edge to fight. Also..they sparred years before. There are rumours it didn't go well for Canelo. Just rumours though.

Either way, if its greed or an inability to confront his fears its very poor to see a professional fighter, who's meant to be the face of boxing behave like this and the people are reacting. I think DLH has underestimated the power of social media and I hope the ppv numbers for Smith are poor. Choosing Smith as a opponent is also a major contradiction but other people have discussed that.

[dberry]

You are a bunch of cry babies. Canelo and GGG will fight within the next calendar year. Canelo isn't scared of GGG, Canelo is like 25 years old, he has no reason to jump into this fight. Canelo is being well advised to not take this fight in pride, give yourself time to prepare for the fight and get everything in order. The fact this GGG fucktards act like Canelo is scared are idiots, yes it pisses me off when a bunch of internet pussies start calling real fighters pussies and scared.

I doubt this fight will happen next year as the multitude of excuses they make will continue. Whats his reason not to fight GGG? Canelo was a multi-million dollar draw card (we'll see his ppv numbers after the smith fight). He is a multi millionaire, surely he has enough money and surely he could secure another multi million dollar check with a GGG fight. The fight that all the fans around the world want to see. The fight that would be excellent for boxing. He's younger and in his prime which physically is an advantage, plus he has more pro fight experience. What are you talking about give himself time, prepare for the fight and get everything in order?.....what do you mean like make sure his makeup in on right and he has a nice dress picked out?



Shouldn't he be challenging himself after "dominating" his special weight class. He's a very big boy, he should fight another big boy.

What I mean by that is it takes time to make a fight of this magnitude. That fight isn't going anywhere. Make sure the best deal can be worked out and it reaches its most lucrative point. This fight is big among the boxing fans but it has yet to reach the mainstream the way a fight of this magnitude should. I understand there are people who are inpatient little girls stomping their feet because they're not getting what they want when they want it. It works me to no end when I start hearing fighter A is scared of fighter B and so on. If I remember right both Canelo and DLH were involved in some of the most lucrative fights in history, they know what it takes. GGG on the other hand fights tomato cans, he has no idea what it takes to make a fight with kind of money involved.

All's well and good in your post but it shouldn't take several years to make a fight of any magnitude, this bullshit about trying to wait until it is at its most lucrative is just that, crap. Both fighters are ready now, it shouldn't take more than a couple of months to work out the details.

[dberry]

So jnr, how do you manage to contradict yourself in such a short paragraph, if GGG only fights tomato cans and it hasn't reached the mainstream fans, how is it a fight of such magnitude, Canelo doesn't mind fighting smith, where is the difference, the difference is that Canelo said he was going to fight GGG in front of millions and from there he put his tail between his legs, thrown the be belt and fighting the weakest, Unknown JMW title holder in the division

Fighting tomato cans has nothing to do with what GGG is capable of. GGG has dismantled his opponents the way he should have based on the opposition put in front of him, as weak as it may have been. IMO Canelo did the right thing when it came to vacating the title, as I mentioned earlier this fight isn't going anywhere, why rush into it with a deadline when the fight will only get bigger. The last thing this fight needs is a deadline, all that does is complicates the negotiations and puts pressure on a event and everyone around it. I have yet to contradict myself, you just don't seem capable of comprehending the obvious reasons for vacating a title so you resort to the old trusty "he's scared" argument.

The "value" if this fight can just as easy be diminished based on either fighter's next performance, a lot can happen in a year, too, either fighter may be out of the game or dead in a year. To agree with letting this or any fight sit for years is rubbish.

[NateJR]

I didn't say anything about letting it sit for years. 2017 it should most certainly happen. Yes maybe a little greed, but why let a governing body dictate your career or your potential earnings? Why was GGG calling out Floyd? Why else would anyone become a professional fighter when youre putting your life on the line? This is their lively hood, it feeds their families it's all about the money and any fighter would be dumb to fight for only pride, that's why they have promoters, advisors ex. and tha is to protect them from their natural instinct to fight simply out of pride. Shit I'd be happy if this fight was happening tomorrow, but I've come to the realization there's alot more to the sport that I don't know about than things I know when it comes to what happens behind closed doors. I do think DLH is protecting Canelo, I believe hes looking out for both of their futures and he should be. It's not about us as fans in the whole scheme of things other than our own selfishness when it comes to getting a hard on to see 2 men beat the shit out of each other. But I don't believe Canelo is scared of losing, or fears GGG, but I do believe hes being advised not to take the fight based on a timeline created by a sanctioning body. If I had the power to do things under my terms or someone else's I'd do things my way every time and I'm sure there isn't a person in here that would be any different.

[Pureist]

When fighters fight and it doesn't involve pride, then you have fights like canelo v smith, you obviously have no idea Nate jnr

[NateJR]

When fighters fight and it doesn't involve pride, then you have fights like canelo v smith, you obviously have no idea Nate jnr

No but at Canelo age he's fought his share of tough opponents. Mosley, Lara, Mayweather, Cotto. He's had some soft touches, but if you're going to play that game, GGG didn't move up in weight to challenge Ward when that fight was on the table. Where is GGGs pride. What a coward with no pride. Lmao you have no idea, you weenie.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That fight will never be as lucrative as it would have been in may. Nate, like Oscar, fears a canelo loss. Funny thing is that wouldn't have hurt his brand, these other fights while ducking ggg does. I hesitate to call a pro fighter scared but canelo is beyond wary. He forced Lara & trout when his handlers didn't want it. Here? He's cool.

[Enlightened-One]

The Canelo situation is a typical example of the blatant “fight fan” hypocrisy that annoys me, because it seems that these people are severely biased to the point that they prefer to hold different fighters accountable to different standards.

For instance, people applaud Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo, but then GGG is praised by the very same people for doing precisely the same thing by facing Kell Brook.

[dberry]

When fighters fight and it doesn't involve pride, then you have fights like canelo v smith, you obviously have no idea Nate jnr

No but at Canelo age he's fought his share of tough opponents. Mosley, Lara, Mayweather, Cotto. He's had some soft touches, but if you're going to play that game, GGG didn't move up in weight to challenge Ward when that fight was on the table. Where is GGGs pride. What a coward with no pride. Lmao you have no idea, you weenie.

We aren't talking about Golovkin, though, are we? On the subject of Golovkin, though, he has fought some very good junior middles (when he was there) as well as some very good middles, what did they have in common? They were the best at his weight who were willing to fight him. What does Alvarez's previous opponents have in common? They were all lighter than him and they were all light punchers with the exception of that chinny c grade bloke.

[dberry]

The Canelo situation is a typical example of the blatant “fight fan” hypocrisy that annoys me, because it seems that these people are severely biased to the point that they prefer to hold different fighters accountable to different standards.

For instance, people applaud Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo, but then GGG is praised by the very same people for doing precisely the same thing by facing Kell Brook.

So should Golovkin wait a year and a half for Jacobs to fight him, hope that some one will come forward to fight him early next year or hope tha Alvarez and Co. keep their word that theyll fight him when they are ready, whenever that may be?

[Enlightened-One]

The Canelo situation is a typical example of the blatant “fight fan” hypocrisy that annoys me, because it seems that these people are severely biased to the point that they prefer to hold different fighters accountable to different standards.

For instance, people applaud Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo, but then GGG is praised by the very same people for doing precisely the same thing by facing Kell Brook.

So should Golovkin wait a year and a half for Jacobs to fight him, hope that some one will come forward to fight him early next year or hope tha Alvarez and Co. keep their word that theyll fight him when they are ready, whenever that may be?

For the record, I’m a huge Golovkin fan and I am not really against him facing the likes of Brook.

It just surprises me that GGG and some of his fans are allowed to criticise other fighters for doing precisely the same thing that Golovkin himself does, without being criticised themselves.

For example:

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his normal weight in order to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to gain more than 4lbs to share the ring with Andre Ward.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for facing an opponent that competed in one weight division lower than his own, whilst supporting GGG’s next bout against a fighter that competes two weight divisions lower than himself.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of other fighters for engaging in catch-weight bouts, whilst supporting GGG’s stance that he was (contractually) only willing to face the likes of Ward with catch-weight stipulations.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of smaller fighters being “ducks” (like Mayweather Jr.) for refusing to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to move away from the middleweight division to engage in career-defining bouts against bigger men competing in heavier weight classes, despite his own team and himself persistently claiming that he’s easily capable of competing at 168lbs & 175lbs.

• People wholeheartedly support the notion that Golovkin’s middleweight peers are “ducks” for declining opportunities to face him, by claiming their paydays would be insufficient, whereas Tom Loeffler has previously used the same excuse to dismiss potential Ward/De Gale bouts.

• The list goes on-and-on…

It would be unreasonable for me to single out and criticise Team Golvokin for their dodgy shenanigans, in a professional sport where moderately dishonest self-promotion tactics are commonplace, because I would probably do/say the same things if it resulted in improving my bank balance somehow.

What I do find rather silly, is the sheer stupidity of some casual boxing fans who cannot recognise their own blatant hypocrisy, by choosing to have different rules for different fighters.

[boxing_rocks]

The Canelo situation is a typical example of the blatant “fight fan” hypocrisy that annoys me, because it seems that these people are severely biased to the point that they prefer to hold different fighters accountable to different standards.

For instance, people applaud Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo, but then GGG is praised by the very same people for doing precisely the same thing by facing Kell Brook.

So should Golovkin wait a year and a half for Jacobs to fight him, hope that some one will come forward to fight him early next year or hope tha Alvarez and Co. keep their word that theyll fight him when they are ready, whenever that may be?

For the record, I’m a huge Golovkin fan and I am not really against him facing the likes of Brook.

It just surprises me that GGG and some of his fans are allowed to criticise other fighters for doing precisely the same thing that Golovkin himself does, without being criticised themselves.

For example:

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his normal weight in order to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to gain more than 4lbs to share the ring with Andre Ward.

-- that is a lie

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for facing an opponent that competed in one weight division lower than his own, whilst supporting GGG’s next bout against a fighter that competes two weight divisions lower than himself.

-- Khan started at 135 and was KOed there. Brook never fought below 147. He is a huge welter. Canelo is the same size as Golovkin.

-- Besides, Canelo had all choices in the world, and Golovkin had none and no time to search.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of other fighters for engaging in catch-weight bouts, whilst supporting GGG’s stance that he was (contractually) only willing to face the likes of Ward with catch-weight stipulations.

-- that is a lie

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of smaller fighters being “ducks” (like Mayweather Jr.) for refusing to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to move away from the middleweight division to engage in career-defining bouts against bigger men competing in heavier weight classes, despite his own team and himself persistently claiming that he’s easily capable of competing at 168lbs & 175lbs.

-- First of all, Golovkin never called himself TBE. Second: he offered to meed Mayweather in the middle, at 154 - the weight class Mayweather owned belts at. Nobody from 168 or 175 offered Golovkin to fight at a catch-weight in the middle.

• People wholeheartedly support the notion that Golovkin’s middleweight peers are “ducks” for declining opportunities to face him, by claiming their paydays would be insufficient, whereas Tom Loeffler has previously used the same excuse to dismiss potential Ward/De Gale bouts.

-- To duck opponents at your own weight is totally different from not moving up.

• The list goes on-and-on…

-- Lies and broken logic continues ...

It would be unreasonable for me to single out and criticise Team Golvokin for their dodgy shenanigans, in a professional sport where moderately dishonest self-promotion tactics are commonplace, because I would probably do/say the same things if it resulted in improving my bank balance somehow.

What I do find rather silly, is the sheer stupidity of some casual boxing fans who cannot recognise their own blatant hypocrisy, by choosing to have different rules for different fighters.

[jamesmcdonnell]

GGG is rapidly approaching his mid 30's, he was waiting for the Eubanks to sign the paperwork, but they were basically full of shite, and I don't think ever wanted a fight. What's he supposed to do, waste several more months trying to find a fight, or take a lucrative treading water fight on a PPV, with the hope of building a profile in the UK?

Canelo has had options galore, GGG has not, few people in his own weight class want to take the risk, including Canelo, who is suddenly a light MW, despite having been a MW belt holder - pathetic.

[allInmoderationAIM]

Kalan:
A boxer might play possum when he's sparring somebody in the gym... If he wants a fight with them... He might carry somebody a couple of rounds in a boxing match by boxing more and taking rounds off... but generally he going to do his best... He's not going to do poorly in a fight because that just gives your opponent another excuse not to fight you.. You think nobody has ever thought of losing or looking bad deliberately??? ... You could set up criminals to bet on a fight where you're a 20/1 favorite.. You would have to insure a way to guarantee they're going to pay you 50% or whatever your payoff is.. If you're a real good boxer you could watch a select punch all the way in and absorb it without too many problems, so it makes sweat fly off you like a bastard... if you sense it's a super convincing punch you can fake a seemingly brutal knockdown that doesn't hurt you too much... fall like you've been shot... let your head bounce... try valiantly to get to your feet and then stumble around... then argue with the referee when he rules you out... and then hang your head in shame and bury your face in the palms of your gloves... then after crying and apologizing to your fans you could gather your payoff from your cohorts... but will that suddenly get you Canelo, Jacobs, or Saunders???

NO!!!! That's just another excuse they'll have... You've been "exposed" so they don't have to fight you... What you do is just keep beating the best fighter who will face you---like you've been doing for the last 7 years---until they're forced to fight you and can't fight around you any longer. -stop-
Gennady is a fascinating personality. But..is Brook or isn't Brook the best he will of ever faced? Agree with this donnybrook of a story. But the last part is kind of a stretch of the imagination. Isn't it?

[Enlightened-One]

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his normal weight in order to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to gain more than 4lbs to share the ring with Andre Ward.

-- that is a lie

What I've claimed is true.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of Canelo for facing an opponent that competed in one weight division lower than his own, whilst supporting GGG’s next bout against a fighter that competes two weight divisions lower than himself.

-- Khan started at 135 and was KOed there. Brook never fought below 147. He is a huge welter. Canelo is the same size as Golovkin.

-- Besides, Canelo had all choices in the world, and Golovkin had none and no time to search.

You’ve cited the same excuse that Abel Sanchez used, but there are YouTube videos of Golovkin refusing to consider facing Brook at 157lbs, claiming that the Brit was too small.

Canelo fought Khan (pretty much) as a light middleweight, so the weight differential was only one weight class. Golovkin is fighting Brook (the 147lb champ) in his natural habitat, at 160lbs.

Your excuses don’t clear Golovkin’s name, if you scrutinise word-for-word the manner in which he criticised Canelo, you'll realise he is doing precisely the same thing.

There were genuine 160lb-ers that GGG could have faced, instead of chasing the pay cheque. He had options.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of other fighters for engaging in catch-weight bouts, whilst supporting GGG’s stance that he was (contractually) only willing to face the likes of Ward with catch-weight stipulations.

-- that is a lie

What I've claimed is true.

• People wholeheartedly support Golovkin’s criticism of smaller fighters being “ducks” (like Mayweather Jr.) for refusing to face him, whilst supporting GGG’s own refusal to move away from the middleweight division to engage in career-defining bouts against bigger men competing in heavier weight classes, despite his own team and himself persistently claiming that he’s easily capable of competing at 168lbs & 175lbs.

-- First of all, Golovkin never called himself TBE. Second: he offered to meed Mayweather in the middle, at 154 - the weight class Mayweather owned belts at. Nobody from 168 or 175 offered Golovkin to fight at a catch-weight in the middle.

Using the lazy TBE excuse to justify your expectations that Mayweather Jr. should be able to “walk on water” is a weak argument.

Floyd’s rehydration weight maxes out at 152lbs. He was 146lbs on the morning of the Canelo fight. Mayweather’s rehydration weight was lower than Pacquiao’s when they fought.

Even if Floyd faced Golovkin at 154lbs, the Kazakh would rehydrate to the 170lb-173lb mark… and I personally don’t think it’s worthwhile for Mayweather Jr. to risk his legacy against a much bigger opponent that brings very little money to the table.

So you’re saying that Floyd’s a coward for not facing Golovkin, who’ll outweigh him by 23lbs or so come fight night?

If that’s the case, why don’t you criticise GGG for not facing an active opponent like Sergey Kovalev, who’ll outweigh him by the same margin?

You’re a prime example of the “fight fan” hypocrisy, because it seems that you are severely biased to the point that you prefer to hold different fighters accountable to different standards.

K2 (Tom Loeffler) are responsible for negotiating fights. They should not rest on their laurels and expect fighters to come to them.

• People wholeheartedly support the notion that Golovkin’s middleweight peers are “ducks” for declining opportunities to face him, by claiming their paydays would be insufficient, whereas Tom Loeffler has previously used the same excuse to dismiss potential Ward/De Gale bouts.

-- To duck opponents at your own weight is totally different from not moving up.

When Team Golovkin have repeatedly claimed that they'd fight anyone between 154lbs and 175lbs, as he would "easily" compete at those weights, then subsequently refusing to move up a division for career high paydays, which leaves him open to receiving criticism.

[boxing_rocks]

When Team Golovkin have repeatedly claimed that they'd fight anyone between 154lbs and 175lbs, as he would "easily" compete at those weights, then subsequently refusing to move up a division for career high paydays, which leaves him open to receiving criticism.

"When" is a key word here. They were saying that 3 years ago when Golovkin wasn't a star he is now. And what career high paydays are you talking about ??? He was ready to go up for career high paydays against JCCJ and Froch, but both chickened out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Career high paydays? When? You read too many blogs.

[Enlightened-One]

When Team Golovkin have repeatedly claimed that they'd fight anyone between 154lbs and 175lbs, as he would "easily" compete at those weights, then subsequently refusing to move up a division for career high paydays, which leaves him open to receiving criticism.

"When" is a key word here. They were saying that 3 years ago when Golovkin wasn't a star he is now. And what career high paydays are you talking about ??? He was ready to go up for career high paydays against JCCJ and Froch, but both chickened out.

You need to carefully read the sentence you’ve quoted, because I was referring to “Team Golovkin”.

10 hours ago, Abel Sanchez claimed that they would have gladly accepted an offer to fight James DeGale at 168lbs if Eddie Hearn hadn’t suggested Kell Brook. Just watch YouTube and you'll quickly discover lots of recent GGG, Loeffler & Sanchez videos of them saying the things I've quoted.

Froch refused the GGG bout due to the 164lb catchweight stipulation. Chavez Jr. declined the GGG bout because he refused to extend his contract with Top Rank. Saunders declined the fight, because he would have only earned $1.5m, a sum he easily could have earned fighting easier opposition, whereas Loeffler claimed it was $4m, whilst proclaiming the Brit as a duck.

In terms of fight purses, Google the sums earned by Ward, Kovalev, Froch, Groves, Abraham, Kessler, DeGale, Donaire, Khan, Broner, Lee, Chavez Jr., Maidana, Pacquiao, Cotto, Mayweather, Bradley, Canelo, Quillin, Guerrero, Thurman, Martinez, Taylor, Hopkins etc. within the last five years in comparison to Golovkin's paydays.

Career high paydays? When? You read too many blogs.

I’m merely trolling with facts and logic. Apologies if objective reality does not concur with your preferred perception of events.

Before either of you respond, please read my previous posts in this thread.

[boxing_rocks]

There was no 164-lb catch weight offer to Froch, you idiot. It has always been 168.

Yes, they would accept DeGale fight the same way as the Brook fight, and "when" is still a key word. Canelo and Eubank Jr put Golovkin in a situation of having to sign with somebody within a few days or losing September 10th date and ability to fight 3 times in 2016.

[Enlightened-One]

There was no 164-lb catch weight offer to Froch, you idiot. It has always been 168.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/07/gol ... ar-at-168/
“Froch also revealed that the demands made by Golovkin, including dropping down substantially in weight, mean that he is more likely to face DeGale if he takes on either.”

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/carl-fr ... -and-more/
"It would be more but I’ve heard recently that GGG's considering dropping down, and he also mentioned me potentially moving down to 164lbs, which just isn’t an option."

There are IFL TV videos of the man himself making precisely the same claims.

Yes, they would accept DeGale fight the same way as the Brook fight, and "when" is still a key word. Canelo and Eubank Jr put Golovkin in a situation of having to sign with somebody within a few days or losing September 10th date and ability to fight 3 times in 2016.

I don't understand what you're saying. I've proven that Team Golovkin has been recently saying that he was capable of fighting at a variety of weights. Google it for yourself. Sanchez claimed Golovkin would have faced DeGale in his next bout at 168lbs... does that answer your illogical "when key word"?

What point are you arguing against? Are you agreeing with me, because the tone of your words appear to suggest that you're trying in vain to refute some sort of claim I've made that upsets you?

[boxing_rocks]

Yeah, Froch became too fat and wanted to fight above 168, and Golovkin's team was pushing him to come down to 168.

The fact that you don't understand what I am saying proves once again that you are an idiot. Golovkin was pushed into a corner where he needed to sign with somebody within a few days, so they had to once again open options of other weight classes. I hope Loefler learned his lesson and will now always have a reliable backup option.

[Enlightened-One]

Yeah, Froch became too fat and wanted to fight above 168, and Golovkin's team was pushing him to come down to 168.

The fact that you don't understand what I am saying proves once again that you are an idiot. Golovkin was pushed into a corner where he needed to sign with somebody within a few days, so they had to once again open options of other weight classes. I hope Loefler learned his lesson and will now always have a reliable backup option.

You’ve resorted to insults… you’ve clearly conceded defeat! Thank-you.