Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

Loeffler Confirms: Golovkin Would Have Fought DeGale at 168lbs:
http://www.BS.com/loeffler-con ... 68--107066

In case you didn't know, James DeGale is a PBC fighter:
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/james-degale

Just an extra bit of information, in case you need enlightening, GGG is tied to an exclusive contract with HBO:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... usive-deal

Instead of arguing with people, isn’t it better to learn the subject matter beforehand?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

Loeffler Confirms: Golovkin Would Have Fought DeGale at 168lbs:
http://www.BS.com/loeffler-con ... 68--107066

In case you didn't know, James DeGale is a PBC fighter:
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/james-degale

Just an extra bit of information, in case you need enlightening, GGG is tied to an exclusive contract with HBO:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... usive-deal

Instead of arguing with people, isn’t it better to learn the subject matter beforehand?

Are you fergusg's alt ? He was doing exact same thing: not listening to arguments and throwing a bunch of information proving nothing.

Yes, Golovkin has an exclusive deal with HBO which means that any opponent would have to fight him on HBO which makes most of PBC top fighters unavailble. Yes, Golovkin would fight DeGale at 168 on HBO if he could take that fight on a short notice, but that would be extremely unrealistic unless he left Haymon.

He's just a young kid that takes blogs as truth. I could write one now and say anything I want in it.

[Cygnus475]

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

Blogs aren't facts and novels are for books. Carry on, kid.

Novels are books.

[boxing_rocks]

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

Blogs aren't facts and novels are for books. Carry on, kid.

Novels are books.

How would a MW tomato can be better that the top welterweight who walks heavier than GGG ??? Khan is naturally much smaller than Brook, as he started at 135. Besides, he was stopped at 135. He had no chance to last 12 rounds agains 180+ pound Canelo.

A novel is "an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of events", so it is not a book until it is published.

[Cygnus475]

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

Blogs aren't facts and novels are for books. Carry on, kid.

Novels are books.

How would a MW tomato can be better that the top welterweight who walks heavier than GGG ??? Khan is naturally much smaller than Brook, as he started at 135. Besides, he was stopped at 135. He had no chance to last 12 rounds agains 180+ pound Canelo.

A novel is "an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of events", so it is not a book until it is published.

It doesn't matter if brook walks around at 345 lbs, he's from two weight classes below ggg. He hasn't gotten acclimated to that weight.

Fighting a guy two weight classes below and you yourself are big and a heavy puncher for your own weight class is just as competitive as fighting a tomato can.

Nobody is going to listen to you narrate a 2000 page novel from memory you haven't written down yet so you're arguing semantics. His original statement was incorrect, novels aren't FOR books they ARE books or become books. And a book can be in electronic form. And a "book" doesn't necessarily need to be published to be considered a book.

[boxing_rocks]

Have you heard about SRR doing exact same thing: moving up from 147 to 160 and beating a hard puncher with iron chin, Hagler ?

[allInmoderationAIM]

^ ^ "edit!"

[allInmoderationAIM]

Brook one very serious threat here !

[lazboy]

If it wasn't for Canelo ducking GGG this thread wouldn't have been created and all the arguments therein wouldn't have happened. Canelo's made the world a worse place. He deserves the criticism.

[Cygnus475]

Have you heard about SRR doing exact same thing: moving up from 147 to 160 and beating a hard puncher with iron chin, Hagler ?

You mean leanard? That fight was built up for YEARS as two of the top five p4p fighters of that entire decade! Leanard had actually fought over 150 pounds 3 x prior to challenging hagle. That's what I meant when I said "acclimated" to the weight.

-brook is NOT A major p4p fighter. He has porter and a bunch of cab drivers on his resume. NOBODY was begging to see this fight. Leanard had beaten legend like Duran and Hearns and was a household name?

-Leanard wasn't dragged up to challenge haglers title at the last minute. He ignored everyone advising him not to and initiated the fight on his own terms.

-Terrible example. If Floyd were to come out of retirement and fight ggg, even at the last minute, that would be far more acceptable and praiseworthy since he has had two major blockbuster fights at jr middleweight (canelo, oscar) and is an established top p4p boxer with a good chin.

-Were still scratching our heads wondering just what brook is made of since he's had horrible competition. Leanard had been in many wars and fought guys with a pulse who could match him in strength, reflexes, youth, skill, etc. Outside of the porter fight (a dubious decision in which he mostly ran and spammed clinches), brook is a huge mystery he might get k.oed faster than khan for all we know.

So it's like I said. We have an untested welterweight with a dubious chin and power against a p4p middleweight beast with ridiculous power and underrated boxing skill and endurance. Like I said, may as well feed him a cab driver since on paper the result shouldn't be too different.

[dberry]

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

One major flaw in what you've posted here, Golovkin isn't the promoter, he's just the paid fighter

[Cygnus475]

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

One major flaw in what you've posted here, Golovkin isn't the promoter, he's just the paid fighter

Ggg still has to agree to the fight. It was still his decision to AGREE to fight a welterweight who wasn't even the best of his own division.

Regardless it's hypocritical to hate on canelo's and not ggg. That's the entire point of the thread. Canelo isn't a promoter either so that's really a moot point.

[dberry]

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

One major flaw in what you've posted here, Golovkin isn't the promoter, he's just the paid fighter

Ggg still has to agree to the fight. It was still his decision to AGREE to fight a welterweight who wasn't even the best of his own division.

Regardless it's hypocritical to hate on canelo's and not ggg. That's the entire point of the thread. Canelo isn't a promoter either so that's really a moot point.

[dberry]

"Canelo isn't a promoter" Alvarez tells his promoter what to do and doesn't fight under anyone else.
"But, but, but legacy" but, but, but five million bucks.

[boxing_rocks]

Have you heard about SRR doing exact same thing: moving up from 147 to 160 and beating a hard puncher with iron chin, Hagler ?

You mean leanard? That fight was built up for YEARS as two of the top five p4p fighters of that entire decade! Leanard had actually fought over 150 pounds 3 x prior to challenging hagle. That's what I meant when I said "acclimated" to the weight.

-brook is NOT A major p4p fighter. He has porter and a bunch of cab drivers on his resume. NOBODY was begging to see this fight. Leanard had beaten legend like Duran and Hearns and was a household name?

-Leanard wasn't dragged up to challenge haglers title at the last minute. He ignored everyone advising him not to and initiated the fight on his own terms.

-Terrible example. If Floyd were to come out of retirement and fight ggg, even at the last minute, that would be far more acceptable and praiseworthy since he has had two major blockbuster fights at jr middleweight (canelo, oscar) and is an established top p4p boxer with a good chin.

-Were still scratching our heads wondering just what brook is made of since he's had horrible competition. Leanard had been in many wars and fought guys with a pulse who could match him in strength, reflexes, youth, skill, etc. Outside of the porter fight (a dubious decision in which he mostly ran and spammed clinches), brook is a huge mystery he might get k.oed faster than khan for all we know.

So it's like I said. We have an untested welterweight with a dubious chin and power against a p4p middleweight beast with ridiculous power and underrated boxing skill and endurance. Like I said, may as well feed him a cab driver since on paper the result shouldn't be too different.

Brook is arguably the best WW or one of a few even. He has the same rights to be in top 10 p4p as Thurman or Garcia (who magically appeared on yahoo list).

You are starting grasping at straws mentioning fights being built up, being big, etc. First of all, it doesn't matter -- it is still a WW moving up to fight a MW. Second of all, Golovkin vs Brook will be big in England.

The only big difference I see is Brook's resume compared to Leonard's, but Hagler's was also more impressive than Golovkin's.

Returning to the subject of this thread, Canelo had all choices in the world including Golovkin, and he selected a chinny WW/recent SLW/former LW. Golovkin was ducked by Canelo, BJS, Jacobs and Eubank and was left with two choices: accept his highest payday against a WW or not fight 3 times this year. The choice was easy to make.

[Cygnus475]

Have you heard about SRR doing exact same thing: moving up from 147 to 160 and beating a hard puncher with iron chin, Hagler ?

You mean leanard? That fight was built up for YEARS as two of the top five p4p fighters of that entire decade! Leanard had actually fought over 150 pounds 3 x prior to challenging hagle. That's what I meant when I said "acclimated" to the weight.

-brook is NOT A major p4p fighter. He has porter and a bunch of cab drivers on his resume. NOBODY was begging to see this fight. Leanard had beaten legend like Duran and Hearns and was a household name?

-Leanard wasn't dragged up to challenge haglers title at the last minute. He ignored everyone advising him not to and initiated the fight on his own terms.

-Terrible example. If Floyd were to come out of retirement and fight ggg, even at the last minute, that would be far more acceptable and praiseworthy since he has had two major blockbuster fights at jr middleweight (canelo, oscar) and is an established top p4p boxer with a good chin.

-Were still scratching our heads wondering just what brook is made of since he's had horrible competition. Leanard had been in many wars and fought guys with a pulse who could match him in strength, reflexes, youth, skill, etc. Outside of the porter fight (a dubious decision in which he mostly ran and spammed clinches), brook is a huge mystery he might get k.oed faster than khan for all we know.

So it's like I said. We have an untested welterweight with a dubious chin and power against a p4p middleweight beast with ridiculous power and underrated boxing skill and endurance. Like I said, may as well feed him a cab driver since on paper the result shouldn't be too different.

Brook is arguably the best WW or one of a few even. He has the same rights to be in top 10 p4p as Thurman or Garcia (who magically appeared on yahoo list).

You are starting grasping at straws mentioning fights being built up, being big, etc. First of all, it doesn't matter -- it is still a WW moving up to fight a MW. Second of all, Golovkin vs Brook will be big in England.

The only big difference I see is Brook's resume compared to Leonard's, but Hagler's was also more impressive than Golovkin's.

I'm not grasping at straws. Everything I have stated is a fact. Lmao. More facts:

-porter is literally the only decent name on his record. And his win over porter is dubious and disputed it's not like he boxed circles around him or knocked him out.

-Garcia is pretty mediocre I don't rate him high at ww. Thurman on the other hand is far more proven than Brook and has actually been in some wars. But for the record I probably wouldn't place thurman higher than #9 off the top of my head.

-leanard fought at over 150 lbs several times. You conveniently failed to address that. yes much of his career was WW but it makes a huge difference when we're talking about a p4p global superstar who cleared out gis division moving up with a deep impressive resume and skill. That doesn't describe brook AT ALL no matter how you slice it. So you sound very silly insisting on making this comparison as though Leanard was just "some ww" moving up.

-Hagler didn't drag leanard up at the last second either. You dodged this point.

-Only hardcore fans and British fans know who brook is and even less people consider him the best at his own goddamn weight. Not debatable.

Returning to the subject of this thread, Canelo had all choices in the world including Golovkin, and he selected a chinny WW/recent SLW/former LW. Golovkin was ducked by Canelo, BJS, Jacobs and Eubank and was left with two choices: accept his highest payday against a WW or not fight 3 times this year. The choice was easy to make.

Don't misunderstand I'm not defending canelo either it was a weak move on his part. I'm just saying don't bash canelo and then act like ggg is completely different.

Eubank didn't duck him. First of all there's way more to it. Brook sent vargas a contract and vargas signed it. Vargas was waiting for a MONTH. Brook ignored him and then magically has a deal signed with ggg in two days? That a load of horse crap. But thats for another thread.

I guess the choice was easy to make: cancel the fight and challenge himself negotiating to actually fight a guy his own size with a pulse...or just knock out some semi popular british ww for a nice paycheck. Hey if I wasn't worried about my legacy I'd do the same thing.

"Canelo isn't a promoter" Alvarez tells his promoter what to do and doesn't fight under anyone else.
"But, but, but legacy" but, but, but five million bucks.

Spare me your speculation. I don't give a damn what's going on between oscar and canelo behind closed doors. It was irrelevant to the conversation and I wasn't defending canelo's choices anyway

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Again, he could have fought a middleweight tomato can or sparring partner or journeyman a la karim mayfield/Chris arreola if he wanted to "keep the venue". I can't think of any boxer in history who dragged someone up two weight classes to defend their belt at the last second. Porter did it, wilder did it, why couldn't ggg?

Did it make sense business wise? Of course, but so did khan/canelo. He certainly isn't fighting brook to challenge himself and put a gold star on his legacy!

One major flaw in what you've posted here, Golovkin isn't the promoter, he's just the paid fighter

Ggg still has to agree to the fight. It was still his decision to AGREE to fight a welterweight who wasn't even the best of his own division.

Regardless it's hypocritical to hate on canelo's and not ggg. That's the entire point of the thread. Canelo isn't a promoter either so that's really a moot point.

There's some major differences:

1. GGG is fighting Brook as a last resort, not first like Canelo vs Khan
2. He's not cherrypicking the smaller guy, it's Brook's promoter that making him an offer he can't refuse, for career best purse on sky box office.

It's not a resume fight, it's just great business while staying busy. It'll make UK fights vs Eubank, Saunders, DeGale that much bigger

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's a shame to see the namesake of an epic rush song(close enough) be dumber than chewed gum. In fact the overall stupidity of the average poster here is outlandish.

[Enlightened-One]

Yes, Golovkin has an exclusive deal with HBO which means that any opponent would have to fight him on HBO which makes most of PBC top fighters unavailble. Yes, Golovkin would fight DeGale at 168 on HBO if he could take that fight on a short notice, but that would be extremely unrealistic unless he left Haymon.

There are multiple videos of Tom Loeffler and Abel Sanchez available on YouTube where you can watch them discussing DeGale as a realistic potential opponent for Golovkin. Please review them and revise your opinion. Let me know if you think they're lying, because either way, my point has been proven.

In terms of the Haymon/HBO situation:
• Wasn't Gennady Golovkin's last opponent, Dominic Wade, with Al Haymon?
• Did I imagine Amir Khan’s sixth round KO loss to Canleo televised by HBO? A PBC fighter versus a HBO exclusive fighter?
• Did I dream the fight between Vasyl Lomachenko's and Roman Martinez, also televised by HBO, with the latter contracted to PBC?
• What about all the very recent videos of Bob Arum discussing his failed negotiations between the PBC's Adrien Broner versus the HBO-contractually-tied Manny Pacquiao - the only reason why the bout fell through, was because ‘The Problem’ wanted far too much money?
• Did the Haymon-advised Oscar Escandon appear on a HBO Latino card earlier this year?
• Money May versus Pac Man?

The boxing landscape has changed since around the time Haymon and Top Rank settled their lawsuit and it seems you need to catch-up.

He's just a young kid that takes blogs as truth. I could write one now and say anything I want in it.

My youth has nothing to do with the quality of evidence I supply.

If blogs contain interview transcripts of discussions that can be viewed on YouTube, then they have to be considered as reliable sources, because you cannot possibly do better than hear or read something straight from the proverbial “horse’s mouth”. Also, there’s nothing wrong with quoting information published on the ESPN and PBC websites.

Trying to dismiss my evidence as garbage, when you provide none, is simply a dishonest debating tactic.

You’re not one of those creationalist types are you? A person that wholeheartedly dismisses any sort of irrefutable scientifically-proven evidence in favour of "faith" alone?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Hey kid, gent, git or whatever the designation, what sadsacko' is saying is that he can post BS on his blog as he sees fit.

Boxing is the original dirty sport that thrives in the muck of dubious officiating and big gambling stakes. Buyer beware kind of stuff. Just you go and try to get a straight answer out of TUE 49-0 and his team of daddy, uncle, Haymon, USADA, and the Vegas commish.

Great job of proving your points, but few here care to recognize the official timeline of events. They just want to collect in their special little circles for their special little scrums that you keep interrupting.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Op is dumb as shit, golovkin regularly fight s on hbo, and is pretty well known even by casuals.
Canela and GBP look like cowards now. This is why i watch more MMA than boxing now, I'm sick of this shit

[boxing_rocks]

Don't misunderstand I'm not defending canelo either it was a weak move on his part. I'm just saying don't bash canelo and then act like ggg is completely different.

Eubank didn't duck him. First of all there's way more to it. Brook sent vargas a contract and vargas signed it. Vargas was waiting for a MONTH. Brook ignored him and then magically has a deal signed with ggg in two days? That a load of horse crap. But thats for another thread.

I guess the choice was easy to make: cancel the fight and challenge himself negotiating to actually fight a guy his own size with a pulse...or just knock out some semi popular british ww for a nice paycheck. Hey if I wasn't worried about my legacy I'd do the same thing.

Yes, GGG situation is completely different. He didn't have any good choices. If he wanted to fight 3 times this year, he had to sign within days after it became clear that Eubank is ducking. And yes, Eubanks have never been serious about fighting GGG, so clear ducking.

The problem with Brook and Vargas was that Hearn couldn't find enough money to pay agreed purses which is why it was dragging. And by the way, nobody dragged Brook up. He expressed a desire to fight GGG a long time ago, when Khanello was announced.

[boxing_rocks]

In terms of the Haymon/HBO situation:
• Wasn't Gennady Golovkin's last opponent, Dominic Wade, with Al Haymon?
• Did I imagine Amir Khan’s sixth round KO loss to Canleo televised by HBO? A PBC fighter versus a HBO exclusive fighter?
• Did I dream the fight between Vasyl Lomachenko's and Roman Martinez, also televised by HBO, with the latter contracted to PBC?
• What about all the very recent videos of Bob Arum discussing his failed negotiations between the PBC's Adrien Broner versus the HBO-contractually-tied Manny Pacquiao - the only reason why the bout fell through, was because ‘The Problem’ wanted far too much money?
• Did the Haymon-advised Oscar Escandon appear on a HBO Latino card earlier this year?
• Money May versus Pac Man?

Can you read? I mentioned TOP Haymon fighters. Wade doesn't belong to that group. Neither does Roman Martinez. Yes, Haymon is now talking business with Arum, but not with Loefler. For example, nobody from Lara's camp have ever contacted Loefler. And none of Arum talking has materialized into a fight between top boxers. Golovkin couldn't afford long negotiations.

Khan is not a regular Haymon fighter. He is his own man. He signed with Al hoping to get Floyd or at least somebody like Danny. I suspect he could leave him at any time.

Floyd vs Manny is the whole different story where there were hundreds of millions of dollars to share.

[Cygnus475]

The problem with Brook and Vargas was that Hearn couldn't find enough money to pay agreed purses which is why it was dragging. And by the way, nobody dragged Brook up. He expressed a desire to fight GGG a long time ago, when Khanello was announced.

You're saying hearn couldn't pay vargas enough but

There's some major differences:

1. GGG is fighting Brook as a last resort, not first like Canelo vs Khan
2. He's not cherrypicking the smaller guy, it's Brook's promoter that making him an offer he can't refuse, for career best purse on sky box office.

It's not a resume fight, it's just great business while staying busy. It'll make UK fights vs Eubank, Saunders, DeGale that much bigger

^according to him, fighting brook wasn't for his resume, it was a money grab fight for name recognition and good business sense. So Hearns can pay GGG what he deserves but not another welterweight in Brook's own division?

It's a shame to see the namesake of an epic rush song(close enough) be dumber than chewed gum. In fact the overall stupidity of the average poster here is outlandish.

The only thing outlandish is your statement that novels were for books and you apparently being butt hurt about me correcting your grammar. To cover this, you've decided to take a snipe and continue to contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion.

[Wales]

How much do people think the boxer really has to say about his next opponent?