thoughts on GGG ??

[crusader]

He was never banned here as fergusg. For some reason he PM'd a moderator and asked for that account to be deleted, although he was previously caught on another forum running several alts so maybe true to form he was still here posting under other usernames.

Adding him as a foe and ignoring him is the best way to go. People can make the forum a better place if they stop giving him opportunities to fill threads with hokum.

[p4p1]

It's the height of stupidity to use weigh in pics to prove anything about size.

[boxing_rocks]

It's the height of stupidity to use weigh in pics to prove anything about size.

Nah, just wait for fergus to come up with something even more stupid.

[Enlightened-One]

You guys seem to have such a fond affection for GGG that anyone possessing the sheer audacity to express an honest opinion about the man that doesn’t endorse his god-like image, compels you to become tribal, by forming a pack to aggressively defend him at all costs.

I’ve supplied a huge variety of evidence that backs up my claims that GGG isn’t a small middleweight, such as photos, videos, Boxrec stats, interview transcripts etc. and you still claim that I’m “stupid”, I’m a “liar” and that I “misrepresent” facts.

The thing is… when you actually see the man at pre-fight weigh-ins, surely your eyeballs must communicate to your brain that he’s not “small”?

Someone on this thread boldly proclaimed Martin Murray as a “huge” middleweight, but GGG is about the same height as him and possesses the same stocky physique, yet you guys persistently claim that Golovkin is much smaller than him – that he’s some sort of tiny Oompa Loompa with devastating punching power!

You can even watch videos of Golovkin not only towering above a so-called fully-fledged middleweight like Matthew Macklin, whilst also being much stockier than him, yet you claim that GGG is the same size as the man.

If I thought I was saying something particularly derogatory and controversial, then I’d probably apologise and retract my claims, but as I’m only stating the obvious, I’ll continue to find a way to rile you all up for as long as I possibly can!

[Enlightened-One]

Abel Sanchez has just claimed via Sky Sports that after the Brook fight, Golovkin would likely face Chris Eubank Jr. or James DeGale.

[jezzamundo]

You guys seem to have such a fond affection for GGG that anyone possessing the sheer audacity to express an honest opinion about the man that doesn’t endorse his god-like image, compels you to become tribal, by forming a pack to aggressively defend him at all costs.

I’ve supplied a huge variety of evidence that backs up my claims that GGG isn’t a small middleweight, such as photos, videos, Boxrec stats, interview transcripts etc. and you still claim that I’m “stupid”, I’m a “liar” and that I “misrepresent” facts.

The thing is… when you actually see the man at pre-fight weigh-ins, surely your eyeballs must communicate to your brain that he’s not “small”?

Someone on this thread boldly proclaimed Martin Murray as a “huge” middleweight, but GGG is about the same height as him and possesses the same stocky physique, yet you guys persistently claim that Golovkin is much smaller than him – that he’s some sort of tiny Oompa Loompa with devastating punching power!

You can even watch videos of Golovkin not only towering above a so-called fully-fledged middleweight like Matthew Macklin, whilst also being much stockier than him, yet you claim that GGG is the same size as the man.

If I thought I was saying something particularly derogatory and controversial, then I’d probably apologise and retract my claims, but as I’m only stating the obvious, I’ll continue to find a way to rile you all up for as long as I possibly can!

I agree GGG isn't a small middleweight - he's a solid natural middleweight who makes weight easily.

Photos can be misleading. Watching them in the ring, Murray was clearly the bigger, taller man. GGG weighed the same as Macklin on fight night and only had half an inch on him in height.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Abel Sanchez has just claimed via Sky Sports that after the Brook fight, Golovkin would likely face Chris Eubank Jr. or James DeGale.

Beginning to wonder whether all this was a set up. The stuff with Eubank may all have been a smokescreen.

[Counter-puncher]

He was never banned here as fergusg. For some reason he PM'd a moderator and asked for that account to be deleted, although he was previously caught on another forum running several alts so maybe true to form he was still here posting under other usernames.

Adding him as a foe and ignoring him is the best way to go. People can make the forum a better place if they stop giving him opportunities to fill threads with hokum.

Sound post, as with kalan the ignore option is our friend and denying them the oxygen of responses is the answer

[Enlightened-One]

I agree GGG isn't a small middleweight - he's a solid natural middleweight who makes weight easily.

Photos can be misleading. Watching them in the ring, Murray was clearly the bigger, taller man. GGG weighed the same as Macklin on fight night and only had half an inch on him in height.

If the photos I posted were intentionally misleading and dishonest, they'd be easy to undermine and I'm not stupid enough to put myself in a vulnerable position.

In terms of Macklin-Golovkin height comparison, skip to the 2m 50s mark of this video and then get back to me about your belief about both guys being the same size, because GGG makes Macklin look like a 140lb-er.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cdJKTXMcrXI
In terms of your claim about Martin Murray being "clearly the bigger, taller man" than Golovkin, why don't you skip to the 3m 40s mark of this video and get back to me?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzIaOz2s0fA
If everyone claims that Martin Murray is a "huge" middleweight, why do they persistently and aggressively argue that GGG is a "small" 160lb-er? To me, both men look about the same "size" (height and physique).

I'm willing to post more videos illustrating the same point, but I'll only end up being accused of manipulating them by others.

[boxing_rocks]

I'm willing to post more videos illustrating the same point, but I'll only end up being accused of manipulating them by others.

Can you do us all a favor and not post ?

[Enlightened-One]

I'm willing to post more videos illustrating the same point, but I'll only end up being accused of manipulating them by others.

Can you do us all a favor and not post ?

Have you ran out of ideas? Are you frustrated?

Isn't it funny that I get accused of being a troll, when all I've done is quote facts, whilst you've been acting like a little crybaby?

[boxing_rocks]

Nah, I am just annoyed with you and so are a few other posters.

[Enlightened-One]

Nah, I am just annoyed with you and so are a few other posters.

Don't be petty! Don't keep resorting to childish troll-like insults simply because you can't always have things your own way.

Instead of shedding a few tears and throwing the rattle out of the pram, prove to me that your claims are still valid.

Address the videos!

[boxing_rocks]

F*ck off, fergus. Nobody will discuss your stupid photos and videos.

[sykessta]

Well, he's pretty much cleared out the division which is very weak in this era. The only thing is he just seems small to be jumping to 168.

Once again, a legend about fighting smaller guys doesn't check out, as none of Golovkin's last 9 opponents were smaller than him.

Golovkin? A "small" middleweight?

Small as in short. I referred to that in my post if you would have quoted th e whole thing.

[Enlightened-One]

Small as in short. I referred to that in my post if you would have quoted the whole thing.

Apologies for that, you didn't explicitly state short, simply that Ward wouldn't have trouble keeping him on the outside, which the S.O.G. has done against taller foes. Once again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your words.

[Enlightened-One]

F*ck off, fergus. Nobody will discuss your stupid photos and videos.

In other words, you’re frustrated about having invested an awful lot of time and effort into our discussion trying your upmost to undermine my claims... and now you're quite simply annoyed because you’ve allowed yourself to be overwhelmed by the evidence I have supplied, which you now realise is far too difficult to refute!

[Pureist]

I think it just means he doesn't want to feed an imbecile tool

[Enlightened-One]

I think it just means he doesn't want to feed an imbecile tool

I'm not really into malicious online activity.

All I did was express an opinion and then justified it when challenged.

It appears that whenever I submit a fairly innocuous post, some poor hideously sensitive soul always seem to deem my comments as brutally provocative, to the point they feel compelled to insult me.

It seems that when anyone posts a comment that doesn't wholly endorse the god-like reputations of Kovalev and Golovkin, they automatically become a target for hate and vitriol from a pack of like-minded emotionally-disturbed individuals.

Perhaps I need to treat some people with kid gloves, as it's not my intention to traumatise intellectually-deficient keyboard warriors with an inferiority complex.

[boxing_rocks]

Your comments are just stupid, so there is no point to waste any more time. Maybe we should just follow crusader's advise and add you to foe list.

[sykessta]

Small as in short. I referred to that in my post if you would have quoted the whole thing.

Apologies for that, you didn't explicitly state short, simply that Ward wouldn't have trouble keeping him on the outside, which the S.O.G. has done against taller foes. Once again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your words.

All good

[Pureist]

I think it just means he doesn't want to feed an imbecile tool

I'm not really into malicious online activity.

All I did was express an opinion and then justified it when challenged.

It appears that whenever I submit a fairly innocuous post, some poor hideously sensitive soul always seem to deem my comments as brutally provocative, to the point they feel compelled to insult me.

It seems that when anyone posts a comment that doesn't wholly endorse the god-like reputations of Kovalev and Golovkin, they automatically become a target for hate and vitriol from a pack of like-minded emotionally-disturbed individuals.

Perhaps I need to treat some people with kid gloves, as it's not my intention to traumatise intellectually-deficient keyboard warriors with an inferiority complex.

You posted a personal opinion, different to an honest opinion

[Enlightened-One]

You posted a personal opinion, different to an honest opinion

What did I say that was so objectionable?

[Counter-puncher]

Your comments are just stupid, so there is no point to waste any more time. Maybe we should just follow crusader's advise and add you to foe list.

You will enjoy the forum more

[jezzamundo]

I agree GGG isn't a small middleweight - he's a solid natural middleweight who makes weight easily.

Photos can be misleading. Watching them in the ring, Murray was clearly the bigger, taller man. GGG weighed the same as Macklin on fight night and only had half an inch on him in height.

If the photos I posted were intentionally misleading and dishonest, they'd be easy to undermine and I'm not stupid enough to put myself in a vulnerable position.

In terms of Macklin-Golovkin height comparison, skip to the 2m 50s mark of this video and then get back to me about your belief about both guys being the same size, because GGG makes Macklin look like a 140lb-er.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cdJKTXMcrXI
In terms of your claim about Martin Murray being "clearly the bigger, taller man" than Golovkin, why don't you skip to the 3m 40s mark of this video and get back to me?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzIaOz2s0fA
If everyone claims that Martin Murray is a "huge" middleweight, why do they persistently and aggressively argue that GGG is a "small" 160lb-er? To me, both men look about the same "size" (height and physique).

I'm willing to post more videos illustrating the same point, but I'll only end up being accused of manipulating them by others.

After looking at a number of weigh-in photos, I've come to the conclusion that Murray's team might exaggerate his height and he's probably 5'11" rather than 6'0", which would explain why he doesn't look much taller than the 5'10 1/2" Golovkin. That said, it's a well-known fact that Murray struggled to make 160lb, so he would have been pretty drained for the weigh-in, which could help explain why he didn't look much bigger than GGG, although he still looks broader in the shoulders and the torso to me. Watching the fight, Murray is clearly the bigger man - perhaps not a huge middleweight, but certainly a big one.

Macklin clearly doesn't have good posture in his weigh in photos, which diminishes his height, although it's possible he's nearer 5'9" than his listed 5'10". Both men weighed the same at the weigh-in and on fight night. GGG clearly looks taller in this weigh in video, but on fight night they appeared pretty much the same size.