Eubank Jr got battered by Lerrone Richards in sparring

[Bricks]

Billy Joe isn't the only person who is saying this.

Apparently Eubank had a tantrum after.

Who the ffuck is LaRene?

I keep seeing Gordon Kaye bashing Eubank

[slapbangwhallop]

Sparring don't mean shi.t

Of course it does, I have never understood that comment.

Likewise. Completely moronic to suggest sparring means nothing.

Sure, boxers might not be motivated, could be trying something out, not going 100% etc etc etc. But I know I’d rather my fighter “won” every spar rather than lost them.

As good an indicator to performance as you can get in boxing.

[Controversial]

This "sparring means poo" is utter nonsense. What better indicator of how a fight would go can you get other than sparring? of course it means something! just because someone wins a spar doesn't mean they will win a fight but it is complete and utter nonsense to say it means nothing. If anyone on here when in and sparred with Eubank Jnr would we get the better of him? of course we wouldn't! because he is a far better boxer than any of us (to my knowledge) on here.

Sparring can take place at different periods of individuals training camp which gives a massive adavantage to someone who is closer to fight night- but its just utter crap arguning that it carries no value whatsoever- usually said by someone who is hoping to convince others that they are more knowedgable than they are...

Sparring is important but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on who got the better of who. Sparring is practice after all, not a fight. Bigger gloves and some wear head guards. There are numerous examples of great fighters getting dropped and outboxed by journeymen, thats why there stories mean little.

There are numerous stories of world champions getting beat by nobodies as well. Upsets happen in boxing- that's why we watch it. If they never it would be boring. I doubt any journeymen routinely outbox better fighters in sparring and then are unable to replicate it in a fight. If 2 lads have a dozen spars and one consistently comes out on top then it's pretty much guaranteed he would come out on top of they had a fight.

Sparring ain't the be all and end all and it won't always replicate what happens in a fight but it's the best indication you've got to work on and to say it "means nothing" as rexrob said is utter rubbish and shows a complete lack of appreciation.

Yeah of course upsets happen but they are real fights so they mean more. Also aren't we talking about one alleged session between Richards and Eubank, the source being BJS who hates Eubank? Some fighters are notoriously bad trainers and don't try too hard. Ali was dropped several times by several different guys in training, Jimmy Ellis dropped him twice in one round and it was said Ali would've been counted out had it been a real fight, Ellis had been retired for two years at the time. Elijah Tillery was a great gym fighter who often boxed circles around the top heavyweights in the gym, he was highly sought after as he gave everyone a hard time. It was said if there was a heavyweight gym world champ he would be it, in real fights he couldn't replicate it. That's why I take gym stories with a pinch of salt.

[Supremo]

Same. I was taking issue with the guy who said it had absolutely no value whatsoever.

[crusader]

Yep...sparring of course isn't always a reflection of what would happen in a fight, but it's not always meaningless either.

[TheCobra]

I think if someone totally batters someone and knocks them down etc, then there's something in it, but mostly I don't listen to this noise.

There's always differing motivation levels on different days.
- They might be at different stages of their training regime, one could have been gymming it hard for 8 weeks, the other might be rusty after a break
- One might not be up for it that day
- One might be carrying a niggly injury or slightly under the weather
- They might be working on something specific that day rather than just 'winning' the spar.

It's usually nonsense and just serves to provide publicity for one of the fighters. Only a fool constantly goes to war in the gym, that's just putting massive extra mileage on the clock.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sparring don't mean shi.t

Of course it does, I have never understood that comment.

Likewise. Completely moronic to suggest sparring means nothing.

Sure, boxers might not be motivated, could be trying something out, not going 100% etc etc etc. But I know I’d rather my fighter “won” every spar rather than lost them.

As good an indicator to performance as you can get in boxing.

Wouldn't you want your fighter to execute whatever it was you were working on? You might be working on specific moves, footwork, defence, any number of things.

[forcefraser]

Almost every great fighter throughout history has sparred tough, there are few exceptions. Quality sparring is the single most important factor in developing a fighter. That`s why the Kronk was known for it`s gym wars.

However, one fighter getting the better of another in a sparring session has little bearing on how a real fight would go, unless of course he dominates the other and hurts him every time they spar, then it would be an indication of how the fight would most likely go. Even then though one has to factor in how a fighter deals with pressure, the whole occasion of fighting under the lights, in front of a crowd or on TV. Some people freeze. There are great gym fighters who don`t have the temperement for the real thing

[CaptainSpacerod]

Yes there can be many mitigating factors to be taken into account when someone gets the better of you in sparring but whatever those factors are Eubank Jr didn't arrive at the gym that morning thinking I'm gonna get battered today.

For an egotist like him, taking a beating from a rookie must have been pretty hard to swallow no matter what the circumstances.

[rhino222]

my take on it is this.....

boxers treat sparring differently and ive been lucky enough to watch hundreds of rounds featuring some very big names over the years.

some boxers use sparring as an ego trip and view it as a tear up!

some boxers use it as a learning experience and practice cutting off the ring, sitting with their back against the ropes rolling and blocking and turning their opponent.

some barely throw a glove but just practice coasting and move up a gear the last 30 secs (a technique that has won Americans many world titles over the years)

some boxers give their all in sparring and take it personally if they get dominated

some boxers only give 40% in sparring, why leave all your best work in the gym? why risk cuts etc? why not use it as a learning experience?

That just about sums up all avenues to be honest. Are there people on this site that watch 'open workouts' and think wow, that guy is special?

[Spiker]

my take on it is this.....

boxers treat sparring differently and ive been lucky enough to watch hundreds of rounds featuring some very big names over the years.

some boxers use sparring as an ego trip and view it as a tear up!

some boxers use it as a learning experience and practice cutting off the ring, sitting with their back against the ropes rolling and blocking and turning their opponent.

some barely throw a glove but just practice coasting and move up a gear the last 30 secs (a technique that has won Americans many world titles over the years)

some boxers give their all in sparring and take it personally if they get dominated

some boxers only give 40% in sparring, why leave all your best work in the gym? why risk cuts etc? why not use it as a learning experience?

That just about sums up all avenues to be honest. Are there people on this site that watch 'open workouts' and think wow, that guy is special?

I agree 100% with all of that! I would imagine CEJ is the all or nothing type and would hate coming second though ( I will remind him of this next time he spouts a load of garbage on Twitter lol

[TheGman]

This "sparring means poo" is utter nonsense. What better indicator of how a fight would go can you get other than sparring? of course it means something! just because someone wins a spar doesn't mean they will win a fight but it is complete and utter nonsense to say it means nothing. If anyone on here when in and sparred with Eubank Jnr would we get the better of him? of course we wouldn't! because he is a far better boxer than any of us (to my knowledge) on here.

Sparring can take place at different periods of individuals training camp which gives a massive adavantage to someone who is closer to fight night- but its just utter crap arguning that it carries no value whatsoever- usually said by someone who is hoping to convince others that they are more knowedgable than they are...

Your right it is utter poo because the guy who bashes the other guy has a false sense of security going into the fight,as if he has already won then gets clobbered. Sparring is for timing and precision anyone who takes anything else from is an idiot and shouldnt be fighting,abit like charlie zeff(whatever his name is)

[Anzi]

Yes there can be many mitigating factors to be taken into account when someone gets the better of you in sparring but whatever those factors are Eubank Jr didn't arrive at the gym that morning thinking I'm gonna get battered today.

For an egotist like him, taking a beating from a rookie must have been pretty hard to swallow no matter what the circumstances.

Firstly no one is sure if this actually happened, Richards is a super middleweight anyway and could end up moving to light heavy, secondly Richards was a quality amateur, hardly a rookie and Southpaw Richards has signed with Warren plus tipped for big things.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Firstly no one is sure if this actually happened, Richards is a super middleweight anyway and could end up moving to light heavy, secondly Richards was a quality amateur, hardly a rookie and Southpaw Richards has signed with Warren plus tipped for big things.[/quote]

So he's only one weight division above Eubank then. He's a rookie in the pro game.

[Covfefe]

Shame no one caught this on camera this time isn't it.

[Covfefe]

Sparring stories.

Recent ones like Eubank Jnr dominating De Gale and Froch. GGG taking Kovalev apart. Price KOing Joshua. Andy Lee having to leave Price camp pre Thomson after dropping him 2 or 3 times. Fury getting beat up by an unknown (to me) cruiser.

Older ones like Spadafora dominating Floyd. Glenn McCory dropping Tysoe (or shaking him to his boots). 17 year old Floyd schooling Pernell Whittaker and 17 year old Jones Jnr taking SRL to school. There are hundreds of others.

Don't forget sparring is often with 16oz gloves and a head guard.
The main fighter often brings in an opponent with a certain attribute to work on a certain thing whilst "sparring opponent" goes into ring to box his own game.
The main guy has often done an hour or so training before getting in ring whilst sparring partner has often just warmed up
Main guy may be in shark tank. 3 or more different partners each doing round or two each in turn so fresh opponents for main guy every round.
fighters going to have off days , look at how many times top fighters lost against crap opponents in old days when fighting every couple days.

What happens in gym stays in gym. I've put it on national amateur champions for a round (usually only part of one to be honest) in the gym. Easier to do with nothing at stake and nice controlled environment

Andy Lee dropped David Price a couple of times?

[Anzi]

Firstly no one is sure if this actually happened, Richards is a super middleweight anyway and could end up moving to light heavy, secondly Richards was a quality amateur, hardly a rookie and Southpaw Richards has signed with Warren plus tipped for big things.

So he's only one weight division above Eubank then. He's a rookie in the pro game.[/quote]So was Groves when he fought Murray, weight divisions are there for a reason.

[Controversial]

Its also worth remembering that some sparring partners are bought in specifically for a top fighter and paid. Many earn a living that way and have to perform or they don't get hired again. So they give it there all whereas the big name fighter doesn't always give it his all.