Non-HOFers who beat 2 HOFers

[gregor]

I am surprised we all somehow forgot about modern boxers like Lebedev or Dawson.

[BoxBuzz]

Off the top of my head, Rex Layne beat Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott.

Pat Lawlor beat Roberto Duran and Wilfred Benitez...back to back.

Didn't Duran get a redux on that? lol.

[APerno]

OFF TOPIC (a bit)

Reading this thread just got me annoyed – why is Ray Mancini in the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

His biggest win is over a ring-worn Bobby Chacon (probably Mancini’s best outing); second best a KO of Arturo Frias for the title; third best a UD 10 over Ramirez. – Is that really enough to get you into a ‘hall of fame’?

Then he lost to

• Haugen by KO
• Camacho by SD
• Bramble by UD
• Bramble by KO
• Arguello by KO

Really – this is a hall of fame career?

[Ambling Alp II]

Because we can easily get off track, I think we should create another Topic about Mancini instead of on this thread. I will do that.

[Ambling Alp II]

Eddie Booker - Defeated Lloyd Marshall, Holman Williams, and Archie Moore.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

I am surprised we all somehow forgot about modern boxers like Lebedev or Dawson.

Neither Lebedev nor Dawson has beaten a single HoFer. Probable future HoFers, yes. But only ones whose careers are still going on and who are thus not yet induction-eligible.

[Esquire]

Jose Luis Ramirez has wins over Rosario and Whitaker.

[APerno]

Jose Luis Ramirez has wins over Rosario and Whitaker.

Maybe Ramirez should be in the HOF? - Both fights against Rosario were great fights.

[gregor]

I am surprised we all somehow forgot about modern boxers like Lebedev or Dawson.

Neither Lebedev nor Dawson has beaten a single HoFer. Probable future HoFers, yes. But only ones whose careers are still going on and who are thus not yet induction-eligible.

Yes, technically true... have to admit I forgot it since guys like RJJ and Hopkins have already guaranteed shot there once they get eligible.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

TOMMY BELL fought 7 Fight's against 4 HOF Fighter's but only beat 1
W 10 Split dec............ Fritzie Zivic x1
L 10 Split dec............ Kid Gavilan x1
L U 10 and L U 15 dec... Sugar Ray Robinson x2
L U 10 Three time's against........ Jake La Motta x 3

[Ambling Alp II]

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I wanted to play and could not come up with a single name - so I went 'surfing' (no one says that anymore) in BoxRec and tried to find one - and did:

Eduardo Lausse 75-10-2 62 KOs 3 KOed

UD in 10 over Gene Fullmer - 1955

PTS in 12 over Kid Gavilan - 1955

Won South American middleweight title (6/56) - lost title 4 months later (10/56)

Never heard of him; pulled him out of my 'boxrec'

There used to be someone who posted on here whose nickname was Lausse.
You actually admitted to never hearing of someone? Not sure if anyone has ever admitted that before!
There are a few named here that I never heard of either. Which makes it interesting. You can then "surf" the database and learn more.
For me, it's more of the current fighter fighters that I have never heard of.

[Ambling Alp II]

This has been fun.
Came up with 5 more. In the late 1950s and early 1960s, there were a ton of really good middleweights. These guys often fought each other (gasp) sometimes multiple times. Since so many were roughly even, none have pretty records. People remember Ray Robinson, Joey Giardello, Dick Tiger, but how about:

Denny Moyer - Beat Ray Robinson and Emile Griffith
Paul Pender - Beat Ray Robinson and Carmen Basilo
Terry Downes - Beat Ray Robinson and Joey Giardello
Spider Webb - Beat Joey Giardello and Dick Tiger

From a little earlier:
Lester Felton - Defeated Carmen Basilo and Kid Gavilan

Looks like we are up to 60 names so far.

George Araujo
Joey Archer
Freddie Archie
Milt Aron
Kid Azteca
Soldier Barfield
Tommy Bland
Larry Boardman
Eddie Booker
Frankie Burns
Billy Celebron
George Chip
Paddy Demarco
Terry Downes
Lockport Jimmy Duffy
Lester Felton
Joey Ferrando
Del Flanagan
Abe Goldstien
Uriah Grant
Harold Green
Greg Haugen
Pete Head
Antonio Herrera
Cecil Hudson
Johnny Jadick
Battling Jim Johnson
Willie Joyce
Mike Kaplan
Pete Latzo
Eduardo Lausse
Pat Lawlor
Cleto Locatelli
Leo Lomski
Bert Lytell
Oliver McCall
Ed McGoorty
Mike McTigue
Leonard Morrow
Denny Moyer
Tommy Paul
Paul Pender
Harold Petty
Andy Price
Jose Luis Ramirez
Frankie Randall
Johnnie Risko
Lou Salica
Armand Savoie
Ernie Schaaf
Lou Scozza
Ruben Shank
Alfred Urbina
Spider Webb
Charley White
California Jackie Wilson
Chuck Woods

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Beau Jack only :

Gil Turner - wins over Beau Jack (twice), Ike Williams & Gene Fullmer.
Johnny Greco - wins over Beau Jack & Bob Montgomery
Bobby Ruffin - wins over Chalky Wright & Beau Jack
EDIT : Buster Tyler - wins over Beau Jack & Joe Brown (+ a draw). Additional draw with Kid Gavilan.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Bob Montgomery only :

Tommy Speigal - wins over Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery & Benny Bass (last fight for Bass).
Al "Bummy" Davis - wins over Tony Canzoneri & Bob Montgomery
Tony Pellone - wins over billy Graham (twice) & Bob Montgomery
Don Williams of Worcester, Massachusetts - wins over Lew Jenkins, Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery & Ike Williams!
Eddie Giosa - wins over Lew Jenkins, Bob Montgomery & Carmen Basilio

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Lew Jenkins only :

Lew Feldman - wins over Battling Battalino, Lew Jenkins, Midget Wolgast & Chalky Wright (twice).
Carlos Malacara of Mexico City - wins over Lew Jenkins & Kid Gavilan (Gavilan's 1st loss)
Freddie Cochrane (already mentioned by Bundana) but not in the 60-man list - wins over Jackie "Kid" Berg, Fritzie Zivic & Lew Jenkins
John Thomas of Los Angeles - wins over Lew Jenkins & Henry Armstrong
Percy Bassett - wins over Lew Jenkins & Jimmy Carter
Calvin Smith of Philadelphia, PA - similarly wins over Lew Jenkins & Jimmy Carter
Rafael Lastre of Cuba - wins over Lew Jenkins & Ike Williams

Adding earlier-mentioned Don Williams, Eddie Giosa, Mike Kaplan & Willie Joyce makes "Sweetwater Swatter" a loser to total of 12 non-HoFers with at leat two HoF-victims. I guess it is most yet outside Fritzie Zivic...

Edit : Wesley Ramey removed as an HoFer himself. Thus Jenkins has only 11 conquerors in this category.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Ike Williams only :

George Costner - wins over Kid Gavilan & Ike Williams (Costner's 3rd last and last fights)
Chuck Davey - wins over Ike Williams, Carmen Basilio (+ a draw) & Rocky Graziano

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Jimmy Carter only :

Bobby McQuillar - wins over Sandy Saddler, Joe Brown & Jimmy Carter
Sonny Boy West - wins over Jimmy Carter & Sammy Angott (twice)
Lauro Salas - wins over Manuel Ortiz (twice) & Jimmy Carter
Eddie Chavez - similarly wins over Manuel Ortiz (twice) & Jimmy Carter
Johnny Cunningham - possibly the fighter with worst overall record included this list 20-47-4 Cunningham beat Carmen Basilio & Jimmy Carter. He additionally drew once with Basilio (and lost thrice).

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Manuel Ortiz only :

Pablo Dano - wins over Midget Wolgast, Chalky Wright & Manuel Ortiz
Small Montana - wins over Midget Wolgast (twice) & Manuel Ortiz
Tony Olivera - wins over Sixto Escobar & Manuel Ortiz

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Sammy Angott only :

Davey Day - wins over Pedro Montanez & Sammy Angott
Juan Zurita - wins over Sixto Escobar, Midget Wolgast (twice out of 5 meetings) & Sammy Angott
John L. Davis aka Chocolate Ice Cube - wins over Sammy Angott & Joe Brown

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Fred Apostoli only :

Earl Turner - wins over Baby Arizmendi, Cocoa Kid & Fred Apostoli
Melio Bettina - wins over Fred Apostoli & Jimmy Bivins

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Henry Armstrong, Carmen Basilio, Jackie "Kid" Berg, Jimmy Bivins, Joe Brown & Charley Burley :

Davey Abad - wins over Tony Canzoneri, Benny Bass (twice, newspaper decision + disqualification), Henry Armstrong & Midget Wolgast
Rodolfo Casanova - wins over Henry Armstrong, Newsboy Brown, Midget Wolgast & Baby Arizmendi
Johnny Cesario - wins over Carmen Basilio & Willie Pastrano
Johnny Saxton - wins over Joey Giardello, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio
Johnny Cuthbert - wins over Jackie "Kid" Berg (twice) & Panama Al Brown (+ a draw)
Sammy Fuller - wins over Benny Bass, Tony Canzoneri, Jackie "Kid" Berg
Gustave Humery - wins over Eugene Criqui, Panama Al Brown & Jackie "Kid" Berg (twice)
Anton Christoforidis - wins over Lou Brouillard & Jimmy Bivins
Johnny Busso - wins over Carlos Ortiz & Joe Brown
Carlos "Morocho" Hernandez - wins over Joe Brown & Eddie Perkins
Manuel Gonzalez of Odessa, Texas - wins over Curtis Cokes (1 out of 4 meetings), Joe Brown & Emile Griffith
Eddie Dolan - wins over Charley Burley & Midget Wolgast

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Ezzard Charles only :

Kid Tunero - wins over Marcel Thil (1 out of 3), Ken Overlin, Ezzard Charles, Holman Williams (1 out of 4)
Elmer Ray - wins over Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles
Rex Layne - similarly wins over Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles
Pat McMurtry - wins over Ezzard Charles & Carl "Bobo" Olson
Harry "Kid" Matthews - wins over Lloyd Marshall & Ezzard Charles

[Bundana]

Johnny Dundee lost to 20 men, who all beat at least one more HOFer:
Eddie Wolfe
Jackie Pilkington
Tod Morgan
Hilario Martinez
Sid Terris
Jack Bernstein
Al Shubert
Eddie Wagner
Alex Hart
Johnny Shugrue
Joe Welling
Frankie Callahan
Joe Mandot
Joe Azevedo
Phil. Pal Moore
Eddie O'Keefe
Joe Black
Johnny McLean*
Charlie white (already mentioned)
Lockport Jimmy Duffy (already mentioned)

*Retired with a very modest 3-4-3 record, but can, amazingly, claim wins against 2 HOFers: Dundee and George (KO) Chaney!

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

These additions were found by going through the conquerors of Curtis Cokes :

Stanley "Kitten" Hayward - wins over Curtis Cokes & Emile Griffith
Elijah Makhathini from South Africa - similarly wins over Curtis Cokes & Emile Griffith
Rafael Gutierrez of Mexicali - wins over Curtis Cokes & Luis Manuel Rodriguez

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

A couple of rather likely future HoFers not yet eligible for ballot which no one has spotted yet :

Evander Holyfield - wins over Dwight Qawi (twice), Mike Tyson (twice), Larry Holmes, George Foreman & Riddick Bowe
Bernard Hopkins - wins over Felix Trinidad & Oscar DelaHoya
Roy Jones Jr. - wins over Mike McCallum, Virgil Hill & Felix Trinidad
Floyd Mayweather Jr. - wins over Arturo Gatti & Oscar DelaHoya