Kalan wrote:BuzzBox... You are not an infant... even though generally you sound like one.. English is at least your 2nd or 3rd language I would guess. You probably don't believe much of what you say, but you just put it out there because your brain can't crank out anything better.
My opinions are not unique, or anything close.. A lot of people share them.. A lot of people are smart enough to know Tua would crush Joe Frazier.. Although I know they're NOT in the majority -- but I'm OK with that.. 90% of people thought Frazier would easily beat Foreman and they couldn't tell those 2 fighters' styles from their stools.. Most people thought Tyson would destroy Holyfield -- even though their fights with Buster Douglas were polar opposites.. You'd think bettors would think about that, but they didn't... Most people who put money down on Joshua-Whyte bet on Dillian... The few very smart bettors ponied up the really big bucks on Joshua.
Most fans never put their brains in gear anyway... and that's a good thing... You'd never get juicy odds if most pundits were astute analysts.
You may not always be right, but you are never in doubt. In a world of doubt, you provide a solid stable reliable surface, even if the underpinnings are feeble and possibly fraught with rot.
Kalan wrote:BuzzBox... You are not an infant... even though generally you sound like one.. English is at least your 2nd or 3rd language I would guess. You probably don't believe much of what you say, but you just put it out there because your brain can't crank out anything better.
My opinions are not unique, or anything close.. A lot of people share them.. A lot of people are smart enough to know Tua would crush Joe Frazier.. Although I know they're NOT in the majority -- but I'm OK with that.. 90% of people thought Frazier would easily beat Foreman and they couldn't tell those 2 fighters' styles from their stools.. Most people thought Tyson would destroy Holyfield -- even though their fights with Buster Douglas were polar opposites.. You'd think bettors would think about that, but they didn't... Most people who put money down on Joshua-Whyte bet on Dillian... The few very smart bettors ponied up the really big bucks on Joshua.
Most fans never put their brains in gear anyway... and that's a good thing... You'd never get juicy odds if most pundits were astute analysts.
You may not always be right, but you are never in doubt. In a world of doubt, you provide a solid stable reliable surface, even if the underpinnings are feeble and possibly fraught with rot.
BuzzBox... FO with your pretense of intellect. You're trying to sound like a character out of Jack London. The problem with the world is there's not enough doubt. The mere existence of odds mean there is more than 1 possible outcome. I talk about odds more than most because you're going to be wrong on occasion no matter how good you are. The experts opened Foreman-Frazier with Joe a 4/1 favorite.. I had Foreman a 100/1 favorite... That means he still had a chance to lose - a very miniscule chance. Tua would have roughly the same chance. It's a matter of size, strength, toughness, punching power, and hittability. Tua dominated the first 4 attributes.
Kalan wrote:Most people who put money down on Joshua-Whyte bet on Dillian...
Where did you find out this information? I would be fascinated to read it.
I got it off boxing247 a popular boxing website that had several articles on the betting involved with Joshua-Whyte... This was a long time ago of course and I doubt that you can find these articles. You can try googling stories on it. There were about 9 times as many bettors on Whyte. Bettors were looking to get a big bang for their buck because the odds favored Joshua 8 or 9/1... However the smart bettors were betting fortunes on Joshua. The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars ... and that's what kept the odds so one-sided.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tua was splattered across the canvas from a fatmans jab. A JAB!!!!
Lewis had a great jab.. had massive size and strength.. had a great trainer and an overall game.. He jabbed Tua multiple times and no splattering effect happened to the Tuaman.. Now, Foreman wasn't as big or tall as Lewis... His jab wasn't as long as Lewis's... His game wasn't as complete as Lewis's... He was more hittable than Lewis... Powerless, powder puff punchers like Jimmy Young never finessed Lewis... Lewis beat every man he ever fought.. But with all that Lewis couldn't hurt Tua or put him down... I find that interesting because Foreman treated Frazier like an overinflated basketball that had a pair of ears sticking out... He dribbled Lil' Joe with impressive rapidity.
Kalan wrote:Most people who put money down on Joshua-Whyte bet on Dillian...
Where did you find out this information? I would be fascinated to read it.
I got it off boxing247 a popular boxing website that had several articles on the betting involved with Joshua-Whyte... This was a long time ago of course and I doubt that you can find these articles. You can try googling stories on it. There were about 9 times as many bettors on Whyte. Bettors were looking to get a big bang for their buck because the odds favored Joshua 8 or 9/1... However the smart bettors were betting fortunes on Joshua. The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars ... and that's what kept the odds so one-sided.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman smashed tua to the canvas with a JAb! He couldn't handle it.
I understand that, but it is possible that Tua could lands his bombs and it's possible that they could put Frazier on the floor. I think it's highly unlikely, but you have to admit that it's possible.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman smashed tua to the canvas with a JAb! He couldn't handle it.
I understand that, but it is possible that Tua could lands his bombs and it's possible that they could put Frazier on the floor. I think it's highly unlikely, but you have to admit that it's possible.
Sorry. I can't see it. Don't see him landing much of anything. If he did, Joe takes it smiling. Not a murderous puncher in my view. Impressive how he maintained what he had late, but he is far from foreman in any way.o obviously anything can happen, I'd consider this as shocking as Tyson/Douglas.
Tyson-Douglas wasn't shocking... Because Buster was bigger, taller, faster, stronger, more skilled, and better trained... He had a very weak chin but Tyson was so short he couldn't reach it... Mike has similar problems reaching the chins of Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker... But they were lacking a few skills, smarts, and speed -- and I think belief.. Douglas and Holyfield absolutely believed and "knew" they were going to beat the crap out of Tyson.. They considered him a trash mouthed punk.. Belief helps.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman smashed tua to the canvas with a JAb! He couldn't handle it.
I understand that, but it is possible that Tua could lands his bombs and it's possible that they could put Frazier on the floor. I think it's highly unlikely, but you have to admit that it's possible.
Two great/good fighters enter a ring.....many many possibilities....fewer when figuring probabilities.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Where did you find out this information? I would be fascinated to read it.
I got it off boxing247 a popular boxing website that had several articles on the betting involved with Joshua-Whyte... This was a long time ago of course and I doubt that you can find these articles. You can try googling stories on it. There were about 9 times as many bettors on Whyte. Bettors were looking to get a big bang for their buck because the odds favored Joshua 8 or 9/1... However the smart bettors were betting fortunes on Joshua. The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars ... and that's what kept the odds so one-sided.
So you have zero factual evidence of this?
An average bet of over $100,000 on a boxing match is utterly impossible, you dog turd eating imbecile.
Kalan wrote:
I got it off boxing247 a popular boxing website that had several articles on the betting involved with Joshua-Whyte... This was a long time ago of course and I doubt that you can find these articles. You can try googling stories on it. There were about 9 times as many bettors on Whyte. Bettors were looking to get a big bang for their buck because the odds favored Joshua 8 or 9/1... However the smart bettors were betting fortunes on Joshua. The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars ... and that's what kept the odds so one-sided.
So you have zero factual evidence of this?
An average bet of over $100,000 on a boxing match is utterly impossible, you dog turd eating imbecile.
Don't you think Kalan is a troll and by that, I mean, he sits laughing at the nonsense he posts. There's just too much stupidity and lies for it to be real.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:This is one great vs a good where the great is better at everything. Fewer possibilities.
But still possibilities. Plenty of great boxers lost to someone they shouldn't have. Hearns and Barkley springs to mind, as does Lewis and McCall and Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest. They all lost to good boxers.
If boxing history has taught us anything, it's that one punch power can change a fight. A Tua win is possible, but not likely.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:This is one great vs a good where the great is better at everything. Fewer possibilities.
But still possibilities. Plenty of great boxers lost to someone they shouldn't have. Hearns and Barkley springs to mind, as does Lewis and McCall and Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest. They all lost to good boxers.
If boxing history has taught us anything, it's that one punch power can change a fight. A Tua win is possible, but not likely.
Barkley had a better chin, McCall had a better chin, Forrest had a better defense. Tua literally has nothing to stake a claim too. Possible? Sure in a 1 out of 100 way. Way bigger shocker than any of your examples(though it's fair enough, I didn't pick any of them). It's as possible as malignaggi outboxing benitez. I'll give you that.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
So you have zero factual evidence of this?
An average bet of over $100,000 on a boxing match is utterly impossible, you dog turd eating imbecile.
Don't you think Kalan is a troll and by that, I mean, he sits laughing at the nonsense he posts. There's just too much stupidity and lies for it to be real.
I can't imagine anyone wasting their time doing that, although it could be the case. I think he truly believes the garbage he posts and is pretty consistent with his opinions. I do know that he's a complete asshole but can't pin down anything else about him for a fact.
An average bet of over $100,000 on a boxing match is utterly impossible, you dog turd eating imbecile.
Don't you think Kalan is a troll and by that, I mean, he sits laughing at the nonsense he posts. There's just too much stupidity and lies for it to be real.
I can't imagine anyone wasting their time doing that, although it could be the case. I think he truly believes the garbage he posts and is pretty consistent with his opinions. I do know that he's a complete asshole but can't pin down anything else about him for a fact.
Now now Tomasino. Calling someone an asshole is a bit strong. Oh, wait, no it isn't. Use the English way of saying it, arsehole, it sounds more offensive, He's a complete arsehole.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Don't you think Kalan is a troll and by that, I mean, he sits laughing at the nonsense he posts. There's just too much stupidity and lies for it to be real.
I can't imagine anyone wasting their time doing that, although it could be the case. I think he truly believes the garbage he posts and is pretty consistent with his opinions. I do know that he's a complete asshole but can't pin down anything else about him for a fact.
Now now Tomasino. Calling someone an asshole is a bit strong. Oh, wait, no it isn't. Use the English way of saying it, arsehole, it sounds more offensive, He's a complete arsehole.
Up here In Scotland asshole is often used and both are apt I remember the guys first posts, he had some far out opinions etc but when even gently challenged he became abusive and vitriolic. He's been here before, I'm sure of that. I did not want to engage him really, I'd rather he just went away. Fucken idiot of a boy
The only thing that gripes me nearly as much as a genuine troll...(which I really believe Kalan is NOT,) is the inability of many of our contributors (which I have full respect for), lacking in the ability to ignore or allow that which they do not abide or agree with.
Why is ignoring an odd out opinion so challenging?
I actually enjoy challenging such opinions when I disagree, and then just moving on....or even revisiting from time to time.
If someone has an odd out opinion why the death penalty?
I was in the minority on Aaron Pryor (may god rest his soul) and I seemed to be allowed to bellow on in my minority report without being asked to light myself on fire. Also my Archie Moore vs Ezz draws some fire, but no one has demanded that I be burned at the stake.
I see Joe Frazier as brutally beating down Tua, due to speed, conditioning, ring general ship, will power, and accuracy. He could get rattled, but Prime vs Prime, I see Tua being nearly critically disabled partly due to David's likely unwillingness to quit.
Kalan sees Tua as too big and powerful for Joe.
I find his opinion on this amusing, but not beguiling.
Despite his taking aim at me with his moderately civil worded insinuations that I might be a lower quality human being for staking such a claim.
He's definitely a troll, I've had him on ignore for ages. Not difficult at all. Just odd to see him around after so many have been banned for way less.
Kalan wrote:
I got it off boxing247 a popular boxing website that had several articles on the betting involved with Joshua-Whyte... This was a long time ago of course and I doubt that you can find these articles. You can try googling stories on it. There were about 9 times as many bettors on Whyte. Bettors were looking to get a big bang for their buck because the odds favored Joshua 8 or 9/1... However the smart bettors were betting fortunes on Joshua. The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars ... and that's what kept the odds so one-sided.
So you have zero factual evidence of this?
An average bet of over $100,000 on a boxing match is utterly impossible, you dog turd eating imbecile.
That's absolutely uncanny.
When I read " The average bet on AJ was over 100,000 dollars " the very first words that entered my head were "what a dog turd eating imbecile!"
Like so many of his ilk across the world of boxing forums, it is very difficult to figure out if he's a full on wind up merchant, bat shit crazy, mind numbingly stupid, ridiculously argumentative or a combination of the 4.
