Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

Tanzio
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thomasjkelley wrote:
Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.

I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.

That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.

Ward is P4P # 1
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.

It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
Lol. You are so full of sнit. First, you're a Ward fanboy: wasn't it your opinion that Ward would school Kovalev? (I'm asking). Secondly, many people thought it was a robbery. I'm an American, I rooted for Ward, I picked Ward on every thread, on PTBF, and with the bookie. It has nothing to do with being White which is what you are saying with that comment. You shouldn't listen to everything CNN tells you. The alt-right isn't a danger to America and Breitbart is just another news service, there is nothing to be threatened by.
Lmao, now I'm "a Ward fanboy?" I have derided Ward in nearly every post that I have made related to him prior to the fight, for years.

Stop calling the breitbart.com clones alt right. They are underachieving, bigoted, misogynist white pudenda who are threatened by progress. Who claimed that they are a threat? They are a bunch of fat assed youtube and cartoon spammers with too much time on their hands and not enough ambition to compete in the current marketplace.

We all know those who makeup the eastern euro centric mob on here and they demonstrate daily their bias.

You don't fit into those groups? Congratulations. Ward still won and it was not close to a robbery.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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Kalan wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
thomasjkelley wrote:
You are out of control! Everybody knows your fuсking opinion. You're like a Soros paid protestor, protesting democracy. You are on every thread proclaiming this was a good decision, trying to debunk others' opinions and you're even making threads proclaiming it's validity. You think you're going to sway anyone? Every Kovalev fan, 75% of neutral fans and half of Ward fans believe it was a robbery, you're рissing into the wind. Monumental effort on your part though.
The whining about a great, close fight is what is out of control.
The fight wasn't close unless you're blind... Fans are disgusted with the nationalism and corruption in Boxing... A commission doesn't assign 3 American judges, and an American referee, to a World Championship Fight on American soil, between an American and a Russian, where the Russian is the defending World Champion... That was a big fat red flag -- the deck was stacked.

What if Ward had to go to Russia and there were 3 Russian judges and an Russian referee -- what do you think the score would be???
You get what you negotiate. If the fight were to be in Russia and Ward lost a close, controversial decision, I would argue for my position. If I thought Krusher won, I would argue that perspective, while acknowledging that a close decision the other way would have been possible. If I thought Ward won but he lost by close decision I would argue that he won but I would understand that the judges saw it differently. If I thought it was a robbery either way, I would make that argument, but I would not demean the fighters doing so.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Ward v Krusher was too close to be considered a robbery.

the degrading of Krusher's performance by those who simultaneously consider the decision a robbery is pathetically laughable.

Laughing is what everybody here does reading your pathetic posts in just about every thread.

Have some dignity.

You know what it means, right?
Have some courage and try scoring a fight realtime on an RBR on here sometime, croward. Saturday would be a good time to start. Can we expect you, blackturd?
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

Post by thomasjkelley »

Tanzio wrote:
thomasjkelley wrote:
Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.

I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.

That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.

Ward is P4P # 1
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.

It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
Lol. You are so full of sнit. First, you're a Ward fanboy: wasn't it your opinion that Ward would school Kovalev? (I'm asking). Secondly, many people thought it was a robbery. I'm an American, I rooted for Ward, I picked Ward on every thread, on PTBF, and with the bookie. It has nothing to do with being White which is what you are saying with that comment. You shouldn't listen to everything CNN tells you. The alt-right isn't a danger to America and Breitbart is just another news service, there is nothing to be threatened by.
Lmao, now I'm "a Ward fanboy?" I have derided Ward in nearly every post that I have made related to him prior to the fight, for years.

Stop calling the breitbart.com clones alt right. They are underachieving, bigoted, misogynist white pudenda who are threatened by progress. Who claimed that they are a threat? They are a bunch of fat assed youtube and cartoon spammers with too much time on their hands and not enough ambition to compete in the current marketplace.

We all know those who makeup the eastern euro centric mob on here and they demonstrate daily their bias.

You don't fit into those groups? Congratulations. Ward still won and it was not close to a robbery.
Lol. Well, I am prone to hyperbole. No, I'm Irish American. I don't know who's E. Euro centric on here, seriously. There is only a few names that stick out. You because you post from A-Z but there is no single category I could put you. There are some people who post nonsense or the same stuff over and over but I usually forget their names after one day. Except for bnovelist. I still do believe it was a robbery. I think you are just as likely to get 118-109 Kovalev as 114-113 Ward. I don't like seeing a champion getting his belts taken away when he is the aggressor, throws more punches, lands more punches, land harder punches etc. My opinion is that you take a champions belts from him. So yes, I believe it was a robbery. I'm not sure if that is hyperbole.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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thomasjkelley wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
thomasjkelley wrote:
Lol. You are so full of sнit. First, you're a Ward fanboy: wasn't it your opinion that Ward would school Kovalev? (I'm asking). Secondly, many people thought it was a robbery. I'm an American, I rooted for Ward, I picked Ward on every thread, on PTBF, and with the bookie. It has nothing to do with being White which is what you are saying with that comment. You shouldn't listen to everything CNN tells you. The alt-right isn't a danger to America and Breitbart is just another news service, there is nothing to be threatened by.
Lmao, now I'm "a Ward fanboy?" I have derided Ward in nearly every post that I have made related to him prior to the fight, for years.

Stop calling the breitbart.com clones alt right. They are underachieving, bigoted, misogynist white pudenda who are threatened by progress. Who claimed that they are a threat? They are a bunch of fat assed youtube and cartoon spammers with too much time on their hands and not enough ambition to compete in the current marketplace.

We all know those who makeup the eastern euro centric mob on here and they demonstrate daily their bias.

You don't fit into those groups? Congratulations. Ward still won and it was not close to a robbery.
Lol. Well, I am prone to hyperbole. No, I'm Irish American. I don't know who's E. Euro centric on here, seriously. There is only a few names that stick out. You because you post from A-Z but there is no single category I could put you. There are some people who post nonsense or the same stuff over and over but I usually forget their names after one day. Except for bnovelist. I still do believe it was a robbery. I think you are just as likely to get 118-109 Kovalev as 114-113 Ward. I don't like seeing a champion getting his belts taken away when he is the aggressor, throws more punches, lands more punches, land harder punches etc. My opinion is that you take a champions belts from him. So yes, I believe it was a robbery. I'm not sure if that is hyperbole.
You know what? I have no problem with your opinion, although I believe that it is seriously flawed. My problem is with the sh!t throwing monkeys who not only deride the decision but also demeaned anyone who thought otherwise from the moment of the decision, the majority of whom have also derided Ward obnoxiously and many of whom have demeaned Krusher for his performance, while simultaneously claiming that he was robbed.

They are idiots and deserve to be treated accordingly.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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Tanzio wrote:
They are idiots and deserve to be treated accordingly.

Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
Bart Barry, spam.com: 116-115 Bradley
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
BoxingSocialist.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Bunce, allegedly.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, BS.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com:116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Marc Livitz, SecondsOut.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, The Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terry Dooley, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Danny Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
David Greisman, BS.com: 7-111 Pacquiao
Tommy Gunn, spam.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
Thomas Hauser, HBO/TheSweetScience.com:115-114
Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Phil Jay, WorldBoxingNews.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley
Amir Khan, Primetime: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Koppinger, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Lillis, allegedly: 118-111 Pacquiao
Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 118-112 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Parker, The Guardian: 117-111 Pacquiao
Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, BS.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Russell, former trainer of Buster Douglas: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
Ronnie Shields: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, spam.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nick Xouris, spam.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw.
None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media.
Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media.




Tanzio sure knows about idiots!
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
They are idiots and deserve to be treated accordingly.

Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
Bart Barry, spam.com: 116-115 Bradley
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
BoxingSocialist.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Bunce, allegedly.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, BS.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com:116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Marc Livitz, SecondsOut.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, The Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terry Dooley, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Danny Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
David Greisman, BS.com: 7-111 Pacquiao
Tommy Gunn, spam.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
Thomas Hauser, HBO/TheSweetScience.com:115-114
Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Phil Jay, WorldBoxingNews.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley
Amir Khan, Primetime: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Koppinger, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Lillis, allegedly: 118-111 Pacquiao
Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 118-112 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Parker, The Guardian: 117-111 Pacquiao
Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, BS.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Russell, former trainer of Buster Douglas: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
Ronnie Shields: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, spam.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nick Xouris, spam.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw.
None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media.
Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media.




Tanzio sure knows about idiots!
Besides lacking the ballz to score a fight in realtime publicly, croward, you also have a serious problem comprehending what you are reading, don't you blackturd?

Btw, I don't give a fvck if every person on the planet has an opposing view than I do, on any subject, I will argue my side as long as I am not convinced to change it. I am stubborn in that respect.

Ramming Speed won the first Pac fight, imo, by very close decision that could easily have gone the other way.

Ward won Saturday by a close decision (not as close as Pac v Bradley 1) that also could have been seen as a close win for Krusher. I disagree with those claiming robbery but I have little problem with them with the exception of the squealing pig legion whom are also deriding Ward and often Krusher.

That legion can go fvck each other with broomsticks.

Ward and Krusher put on a great boxing match on Saturday. No matter what you think of the decision, they both deserve utmost respect.
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Tanzio we can see you love Ward, but why not be honest?

Roy Jones loves Ward too, but he was able to rise above his emotions. Roy was fair about who won the fight.
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Freedom2013 wrote:Tanzio we can see you love Ward, but why not be honest?

Roy Jones loves Ward too, but he was able to rise above his emotions. Roy was fair about who won the fight.
Freedom2013, you are a pathetic loser.

I criticized Ward for years for everything from his activity to his arrogant nickname. Hence, my labeling of him as SOGgy.

Don't you have some breitbart.com bullsh!t to spam forward?
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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Freedom2013 wrote:Tanzio we can see you love Ward, but why not be honest?
Being honest goes against his interests.

Guy is working for a living.

Here, on ESB, on breitbard and god know where else
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crow wrote:
Freedom2013 wrote:Tanzio we can see you love Ward, but why not be honest?
Being honest goes against his interests.

Guy is working for a living.
Still waiting on those aliases you accuse me of having, croward. :OhYes:
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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The latest ESPN pound-for-pound ratings have been published, which takes into consideration the outcome of the Ward-Kovalev fight… and they still rate the Sergey above Andre, despite the loss! :o

"Pound-for-pound rankings: After win, Andre Ward goes up a spot"

Strangely though, ESPN rates Ward above Kovalev in their divisional rankings.

Go figure? :o :confused:

The Ring website at least demonstrates consistency, because Ward is one place above Kovalev in both the pound-for-pound and also their divisional rankings.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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i scored it 114 to 113 ward i watched with sound off ,,,,,im amazing and never make mistakes :OhYes:
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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Enlightened-One wrote:The latest ESPN pound-for-pound ratings have been published, which takes into consideration the outcome of the Ward-Kovalev fight… and they still rate the Sergey above Andre, despite the loss! :o

"Pound-for-pound rankings: After win, Andre Ward goes up a spot"

Strangely though, ESPN rates Ward above Kovalev in their divisional rankings.

Go figure? :o :confused:

The Ring website at least demonstrates consistency, because Ward is one place above Kovalev in both the pound-for-pound and also their divisional rankings.
..I wouldn't say that's surprising considering opinions world wide: one's based on common sense, another on official result :o
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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ESB poll: 74% think Kovalev was robbed

http://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/po ... ry.576706/
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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You sure this one is a legit account? Whatever, so Bernstein had it by a point for Krusher. Thanks for joining the club that believes that it could have gone either way.
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Tanzio wrote: Thanks for joining the club that believes that it WAS A BAD DECISION
Fixed, Tanzidiot
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crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Thanks for joining the club that believes that it WAS A BAD DECISION
Fixed, Tanzidiot
:doh: You really don't want to keep altering my posts, croward. It won't go well for you.

Too bad you can't alter reality for Krusher and his jock mites.
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Tanzio wrote:
Too bad you can't alter reality for Krusher and his jock mites.
Reality is that nearly all reputable boxing experts have by now sided with Kovalev and denounced the decision as a travesty.

Same as Pac Bradley 1.

So, reality suits me fine, Tanzidiot.
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crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
Too bad you can't alter reality for Krusher and his jock mites.
Reality is that nearly all reputable boxing experts have by now sided with Kovalev and denounced the decision as a travesty.

Same as Pac Bradley 1.

So, reality suits me fine, Tanzidiot.
Reality is that Ward has the W for all time and three LHW belts, deservedly.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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Tanzio wrote:
crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
Too bad you can't alter reality for Krusher and his jock mites.
Reality is that nearly all reputable boxing experts have by now sided with Kovalev and denounced the decision as a travesty.

Same as Pac Bradley 1.

So, reality suits me fine, Tanzidiot.
Reality is that Ward has the W for all time and three LHW belts, deservedly.
Everybody, even Tanzidiots, know that Ward was gifted those W and belts. You can keep pretending.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
crow wrote:
Reality is that nearly all reputable boxing experts have by now sided with Kovalev and denounced the decision as a travesty.

Same as Pac Bradley 1.

So, reality suits me fine, Tanzidiot.
Reality is that Ward has the W for all time and three LHW belts, deservedly.
Everybody, even Tanzidiots, know that Ward was gifted those W and belts. You can keep pretending.
It still stings a week later, doesn't it you little squealer?

No, I believe what I saw and scored realtime, Ward taking control of the fight and outscoring Krusher round after round in the second half while also taking the 3rd and 5th for a 114-113 victory. But I would not be claiming that Krusher received a gift if the score had gone in his favor. It was tight but the right combatant won according to my view of it.

You disagree, fine, but you are a d!ckhead about it like the rest of your eastern euro centric puss!es. You are a bad loser. You are utterly biased and you show no respect to either fighter, which is purely punkassed.
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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman

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boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
crow wrote:
Reality is that nearly all reputable boxing experts have by now sided with Kovalev and denounced the decision as a travesty.

Same as Pac Bradley 1.

So, reality suits me fine, Tanzidiot.
Reality is that Ward has the W for all time and three LHW belts, deservedly.
Everybody, even Tanzidiots, know that Ward was gifted those W and belts. You can keep pretending.
Yes, I think he knows Kovalev deserved to win but he's too much of a Ward fanboy to admit it.
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