British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Haye should be on there. He beat two guys with great records recently.

He will wallop Boomer, yet you have Boomer in top 10

You think you are so very very good and that we are so very very bad
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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ginty wrote:Luke Campbell above eubanks and AJ not sure on that one
I think Campbell has had a much stronger 2016 than Eubank Jr.

Joshua will overtake Campbell if he beats Molina this month.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Ricky_ wrote:Liam Smith should be somewhere between 15-30 imo.

He was world champion, and even though he was out his league vs Canelo he showed he's operating at a pretty good level, certainly put on a better showing than Khan. Seems obvious that Smith is a better fighter than the likes of Skeete.
Liam Smith's record is awful.

His best result is getting dominated and stopped by Alvarez.

He doesn't deserve a place in the top 30.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Killer Blow wrote:Joshua is more credible than Mcdonnel, a guy that's actually lost his title twice.
Joshua is far less credible than McDonnell.

Joshua is a pathetic world champion.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Horse wrote:
ginty wrote:Luke Campbell above eubanks and AJ not sure on that one
I think Campbell has had a much stronger 2016 than Eubank Jr.

Joshua will overtake Campbell if he beats Molina this month.
Luke Campbell is domestic class, he beat a couple domestic level gate keeper types.
I think a european title is about as good as Luke will get.

Joshua and CEJ might get stick for their choice of opponent but there is no question they are at very least fringe world level if not fully fledged world class.
Luke is Britains third best lightweight and that's only because Burns moved up a weight
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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And if we're ranking fighters on the strength of what they did in 2016, surely Fury isn't top 30, let alone no1
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Horse wrote:
Killer Blow wrote:Joshua is more credible than Mcdonnel, a guy that's actually lost his title twice.
Joshua is far less credible than McDonnell.

Joshua is a pathetic world champion.
And Mcdonnel isn't even a world champion.
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LancashireLoyal wrote:Mcdonnell won the fight and the opponent was a better quality than we all gave him credit for,theres an argument that win added to his form over last 2 years compared should take him above khan and brook at this moment.
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LancashireLoyal wrote:Stephen Smith should be in the top 30 but theres no reason why he should jump in 6 places straight away coming off the back of two losses and over the likes of walsh who is arguably a better fighter at the weight.
It's not clear who is the better of the two.

They should fight so we can find out.
LancashireLoyal wrote:Burnett should be out.Tyrone Nurse and Liam Williams should both be in with Nurse ahead.Andy Lee is hanging around like a bad smell hes doing nothing id think of even having skeete ahead of him.
Lee will probably fall out of the rankings in a few months time.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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BigDoofus wrote:Fury is not a boxer any more.
He's a God?
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davie wrote:Yes, he's better than easily more than half of that list
Based on what?
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Horse wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Liam Smith should be somewhere between 15-30 imo.

He was world champion, and even though he was out his league vs Canelo he showed he's operating at a pretty good level, certainly put on a better showing than Khan. Seems obvious that Smith is a better fighter than the likes of Skeete.
Liam Smith's record is awful.

His best result is getting dominated and stopped by Alvarez.

He doesn't deserve a place in the top 30.

P4p lists shouldn't be entirely record based.

Who would say that Skeete for example, is better than Smith?
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Horse wrote:
BigDoofus wrote:Fury is not a boxer any more.
He's a God?
Have you not taken your medication?
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Horse wrote:
ginty wrote:Luke Campbell above eubanks and AJ not sure on that one
I think Campbell has had a much stronger 2016 than Eubank Jr.

Joshua will overtake Campbell if he beats Molina this month.
I don't think beating Molina really gives that much credibility.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Killer Blow wrote:
Horse wrote:
afcmarshall wrote:How long will you keep him in for then 2,3,4 years?
Indefinitely.
Laughable.
agreed , what is even the point of this list with a silly attitude like that ?
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Horse wrote:
davie wrote:Yes, he's better than easily more than half of that list
Based on what?
My unquestionably good judgement
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rd350lc wrote:
Killer Blow wrote:Laughable.
agreed , what is even the point of this list with a silly attitude like that ?
If you don't like it then go away.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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forcefraser wrote:Haye should be on there. He beat two guys with great records recently.
No, he didn't.
forcefraser wrote:He will wallop Boomer, yet you have Boomer in top 10
But, he hasn't actually walloped Boomer yet and he might not ever do it.
forcefraser wrote:You think you are so very very good and that we are so very very bad
No, I think that I'm very, very bad as well.

I hate myself.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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davie wrote:Luke Campbell is domestic class, he beat a couple domestic level gate keeper types.
I think a european title is about as good as Luke will get.

Joshua and CEJ might get stick for their choice of opponent but there is no question they are at very least fringe world level if not fully fledged world class.
Luke is Britains third best lightweight and that's only because Burns moved up a weight
It is not clear that either Joshua or Eubank Jr are better than Campbell.
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Ricky_ wrote:
Horse wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Liam Smith should be somewhere between 15-30 imo.

He was world champion, and even though he was out his league vs Canelo he showed he's operating at a pretty good level, certainly put on a better showing than Khan. Seems obvious that Smith is a better fighter than the likes of Skeete.
Liam Smith's record is awful.

His best result is getting dominated and stopped by Alvarez.

He doesn't deserve a place in the top 30.

P4p lists shouldn't be entirely record based.

Who would say that Skeete for example, is better than Smith?

Skeetes win over Eggington is better than anything Liam Smith has done.

John Thompson who he beat for the WBO title was awful got sparked in 2 by an unknown not long before that. What's his best win Ochieng ?

Also Gallagher turned down the Andrade fight a couple of months before because he knows Liam Smith is far from world class.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Horse wrote:
davie wrote:Luke Campbell is domestic class, he beat a couple domestic level gate keeper types.
I think a european title is about as good as Luke will get.

Joshua and CEJ might get stick for their choice of opponent but there is no question they are at very least fringe world level if not fully fledged world class.
Luke is Britains third best lightweight and that's only because Burns moved up a weight
It is not clear that either Joshua or Eubank Jr are better than Campbell.
Joshua winning a version of a world title trumps Campbell losing to the world no.26.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Horse wrote:
davie wrote:Yes, he's better than easily more than half of that list
Based on what?
Undisputed world cruiserweight champion and world heavyweight champion is not as good as Tyrone Nurse?
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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davie wrote:And if we're ranking fighters on the strength of what they did in 2016, surely Fury isn't top 30, let alone no1
Luckily for Fury that's not how I do things.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Killer Blow wrote:And Mcdonnel isn't even a world champion.
He's more of a world champion than Joshua.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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Ricky_ wrote:P4p lists shouldn't be entirely record based.

Who would say that Skeete for example, is better than Smith?
I think that plenty of people would consider Skeete to be better than Smith.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2016

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BitPlayer wrote:I don't think beating Molina really gives that much credibility.
It's a big enough win to move Joshua up a bit.

It's a domestic level type of win.
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