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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
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He would massacre Silva.
At this point he possibly would. 7 years ago, I doubt it.
I would say ever, Silva would have a punchers chance. GSP would take him down at will, like Sonnen did. Seriously bro, chael treated anderson like a doormat.
In the first fight sure and then he had to get his ratio within normal human limits and got destroyed in the second fight.
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4 rounds to 1 for De Randamie. Holm might've taken the 5th, but I can't see a case for her in any other round other than maybe the 2nd, and that'd still leave her losing 3 rounds to 2.
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Ferguson vs Khabib should be awesome. Both of these guys have Conor shook to the point where he is only thinking about boxing.
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Anderson needs to retire. He doesn't have it it anymore. He shows it in flashes like when he knocked out Bisping but generally he's just lost the ability to pull the trigger. Even tonight he had a few good moments but it wasn't enough. My big question though is what the fornicate happened to his clinch game? Clinching with Anderson used to be a death sentence, Okami who entire successful career was built on being a great clinch wrestler got bashed in the clinch. Tonight Brunson who's not as great as in the clinch was able to throw without much worry for returning knees.

He's 42 years old basing anything from his career off tonight's is lunacy.
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Jacare is so good. It's a such a shame and such an embarrassment that Bisping has been allowed to hold the division up like he has. Romero certainly deserves the next shot but he should've already had it back in October. We should be getting excited about Romero vs Jacare 2 for the title about now.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:GSP needs to get his ass back in the picture. Not sure of his current form, but the welterweight division is there for the taking. I'm sure Conor would like to make some money on that fight as well.
He would massacre Silva.
Ha. As an mma noob I thought GSP would do that wrestle-fornicate thing to Silva but what do I know
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Checking the results today I'm not surprised by any, but it seems a lot of people are upset about Holm getting cheap shotted twice after the bell? People acting like it cost her the first and she was robbed on the cards.

Jacare needs his title shot NOW. This guy has been in line and deserving for like two years now. Give him his shot, no one else deserves it more. He's being treated very unfairly.
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punchoutsb wrote:Checking the results today I'm not surprised by any, but it seems a lot of people are upset about Holm getting cheap shotted twice after the bell? People acting like it cost her the first and she was robbed on the cards.

Jacare needs his title shot NOW. This guy has been in line and deserving for like two years now. Give him his shot, no one else deserves it more. He's being treated very unfairly.
Romero just destroyed Weidman so he does deserve it more but they both deserve their shot without having to fight again.
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p4p1 wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:Checking the results today I'm not surprised by any, but it seems a lot of people are upset about Holm getting cheap shotted twice after the bell? People acting like it cost her the first and she was robbed on the cards.

Jacare needs his title shot NOW. This guy has been in line and deserving for like two years now. Give him his shot, no one else deserves it more. He's being treated very unfairly.
Romero just destroyed Weidman so he does deserve it more but they both deserve their shot without having to fight again.
Romero also beat Jacare head to head, but Jacare was *supposed* to get a title shot after beating Mousasi. He's had 4 fights since then, went 3-1 with the lone loss being a SD to Romero. I'm fully behind Jacare on this one.
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punchoutsb wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:Checking the results today I'm not surprised by any, but it seems a lot of people are upset about Holm getting cheap shotted twice after the bell? People acting like it cost her the first and she was robbed on the cards.

Jacare needs his title shot NOW. This guy has been in line and deserving for like two years now. Give him his shot, no one else deserves it more. He's being treated very unfairly.
Romero just destroyed Weidman so he does deserve it more but they both deserve their shot without having to fight again.
Jacare has been very unlucky, he was also due to get a title shot if he beat Rockhold more impressively than Romero beat Weidman at 205. I stated earlier my major issue with the Hendo title shot was that both Romero and Jacare deserved title shots and a 46 year 14th ranked contender certainly didn't deserve one above them.
Romero also beat Jacare head to head, but Jacare was *supposed* to get a title shot after beating Mousasi. He's had 4 fights since then, went 3-1 with the lone loss being a SD to Romero. I'm fully behind Jacare on this one.
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Counter-puncher wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:GSP needs to get his ass back in the picture. Not sure of his current form, but the welterweight division is there for the taking. I'm sure Conor would like to make some money on that fight as well.
He would massacre Silva.
Ha. As an mma noob I thought GSP would do that wrestle-fornicate thing to Silva but what do I know
I had the same kind of confidence with that superfight as I did with holyfield over Tyson for years. It wouldn't be a thriller but gsp by wide decision woukd have been as close to a lock as you get.
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I hope they can work out Bisping/Romero soon. I'm sure Romero will be the favorite, but Bisping has pulled off upsets before, and Romero is damn near 40.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rockhold/Jacare II for the next title shot. I know people think Jacare deserves it now, but I prefer he win a proper contender match to him sitting on the shelf for 8-9 months.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He would massacre Silva.
Ha. As an mma noob I thought GSP would do that wrestle-fornicate thing to Silva but what do I know
I had the same kind of confidence with that superfight as I did with holyfield over Tyson for years. It wouldn't be a thriller but gsp by wide decision woukd have been as close to a lock as you get.
That's a 5-0 fight for GSP, I was saying that all along as well. I like Anderson, but man his hype was beyond belief. He was very good, but nowhere near as good as they sold him to be.
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punchoutsb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
Ha. As an mma noob I thought GSP would do that wrestle-fornicate thing to Silva but what do I know
I had the same kind of confidence with that superfight as I did with holyfield over Tyson for years. It wouldn't be a thriller but gsp by wide decision woukd have been as close to a lock as you get.
That's a 5-0 fight for GSP, I was saying that all along as well. I like Anderson, but man his hype was beyond belief. He was very good, but nowhere near as good as they sold him to be.
It's hard to deny how good he was when he beat the likes of Henderson, Belfort, Maia, Franklin, then moved up a weight class and dominated two guys there, one of which was a former LHW champion... all in the same run. I just think GSP would have had issues with the movement and size of Silva. What happens if GSP can't take Silva down?
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I had the same kind of confidence with that superfight as I did with holyfield over Tyson for years. It wouldn't be a thriller but gsp by wide decision woukd have been as close to a lock as you get.
That's a 5-0 fight for GSP, I was saying that all along as well. I like Anderson, but man his hype was beyond belief. He was very good, but nowhere near as good as they sold him to be.
It's hard to deny how good he was when he beat the likes of Henderson, Belfort, Maia, Franklin, then moved up a weight class and dominated two guys there, one of which was a former LHW champion... all in the same run. I just think GSP would have had issues with the movement and size of Silva. What happens if GSP can't take Silva down?
no reason to think he'd have issues taking him down, if he couldn't he'd be toast. Prime Silva was incredibly explosive, nowhere near the fight IQ of gsp.
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I had the same kind of confidence with that superfight as I did with holyfield over Tyson for years. It wouldn't be a thriller but gsp by wide decision woukd have been as close to a lock as you get.
That's a 5-0 fight for GSP, I was saying that all along as well. I like Anderson, but man his hype was beyond belief. He was very good, but nowhere near as good as they sold him to be.
It's hard to deny how good he was when he beat the likes of Henderson, Belfort, Maia, Franklin, then moved up a weight class and dominated two guys there, one of which was a former LHW champion... all in the same run. I just think GSP would have had issues with the movement and size of Silva. What happens if GSP can't take Silva down?
Don't forget he was also for a short time the number 1 WW in the world.

Silva offered to meet at 177 and GSP still didn't want it. Obviously he didn't think it was going to be as open and shut as Saad did. It would be interesting strategically though because Silva would nullify his jab by being Silva and GSP would be wary of throwing it for fear of a counter. GSP always was good at timing his TDs off a jab or countering with it, there's no proof he can do that with Silva who would be frustratingly patient and make him throw first. Size, movement, power and speed are all on Silvas side, GSP needs a perfect 25 mins which he is admittedly capable of, Silva needs one mistake either standing or on the ground. GSPs chin was never that great either and who weren't anywhere near Silvas level hurt him during his prime.
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Speed and movement? Surely you're joking. Gsp was the more explosive athlete. Surely speed and movement factor in there somewhere?
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Speed and movement? Surely you're joking. Gsp was the more explosive athlete. Surely speed and movement factor in there somewhere?
He had an explosive double leg but standing Silva was quicker and moved better. GSP certainly wasn't an explosive sticker.
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p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Speed and movement? Surely you're joking. Gsp was the more explosive athlete. Surely speed and movement factor in there somewhere?
He had an explosive double leg but standing Silva was quicker and moved better. GSP certainly wasn't an explosive sticker.
Silly me, I thought MMA had more to it than striking. Yes, of course, Anderson was the far superior striker so that makes him faster and more athletic. Forgive me. :TU:
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Speed and movement? Surely you're joking. Gsp was the more explosive athlete. Surely speed and movement factor in there somewhere?
He had an explosive double leg but standing Silva was quicker and moved better. GSP certainly wasn't an explosive sticker.
Silly me, I thought MMA had more to it than striking. Yes, of course, Anderson was the far superior striker so that makes him faster and more athletic. Forgive me. :TU:
Yet having one explosive technique makes GSP a better athlete than Anderson? Other than a double leg what did GSP do explosively?
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Jon Jones is the only MMA guy that approaches gsp athletically. He's a fast twitch athlete with few peers. I thought everyone knew that. The takedown and brains are the winning formula, closing the distance and the timing of the takedown are where his superior athleticism comes into play. Obviously Anderson could stop him, doesn't mean he would.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Jon Jones is the only MMA guy that approaches gsp athletically. He's a fast twitch athlete with few peers. I thought everyone knew that. The takedown and brains are the winning formula, closing the distance and the timing of the takedown are where his superior athleticism comes into play. Obviously Anderson could stop him, doesn't mean he would.
Really? Yoel Romero? Jose Aldo? Jacare? Mendes? All are just as athletic as GSP was. Your definition of an athletic guy seems to be someone who has great TDs. Those 4 guys I mentioned are all explosive grapplers and strikers. Jones and GSP aren't explosive strikers at all.
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p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Jon Jones is the only MMA guy that approaches gsp athletically. He's a fast twitch athlete with few peers. I thought everyone knew that. The takedown and brains are the winning formula, closing the distance and the timing of the takedown are where his superior athleticism comes into play. Obviously Anderson could stop him, doesn't mean he would.
Really? Yoel Romero? Jose Aldo? Jacare? Mendes? All are just as athletic as GSP was. Your definition of an athletic guy seems to be someone who has great TDs. Those 4 guys I mentioned are all explosive grapplers and strikers. Jones and GSP aren't explosive strikers at all.
Romero is in that league. The rest fall clearly short. You have severe comprehension issues.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Jon Jones is the only MMA guy that approaches gsp athletically. He's a fast twitch athlete with few peers. I thought everyone knew that. The takedown and brains are the winning formula, closing the distance and the timing of the takedown are where his superior athleticism comes into play. Obviously Anderson could stop him, doesn't mean he would.
Really? Yoel Romero? Jose Aldo? Jacare? Mendes? All are just as athletic as GSP was. Your definition of an athletic guy seems to be someone who has great TDs. Those 4 guys I mentioned are all explosive grapplers and strikers. Jones and GSP aren't explosive strikers at all.
Romero is in that league. The rest fall clearly short. You have severe comprehension issues.
Nope they really don't, if you're talking pure athleticism all are clearly in Jones' and GSPs league. Mendes is the weak link but those other 3 are all crazy athletes at least on the level of Jones and GSP. GSP shows excited explosiveness in one technique Jones relies a lot on leverage from being longer, the other guys are explosive in every technique.
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Whatever you say.
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