Prime Muhammad Ali vs. a prime Larry Holmes?

[BoxBuzz]

Prime Holmes would destroy a prime Ali every time... .

This is a very suspect statement, the type of statement that some may take umbrage with.

I'll give you a chance to walk it back with some dignity and grace.

Consider the following possibilities.

Is there Any chance (at all) that you were

1. exaggerating?
2. being overly zealous?
3. missing the mark?
4 failing to employ good assessment skills?
5. overstating while under-researching?
6. in error?
7. demonstrating blatant bias?
8. misunderestimating the facts of the matter?
9. totally meant this in humor?
10. Forgot to take (or took too many) medications?

Pick no more than three.


Cmon, at least one in then thousand tries Larry could just slip and fall during the ring walk, or get lost on the way to the fight.

[Kalan]

Prime Holmes would destroy a prime Ali every time... .

This is a very suspect statement, the type of statement that some may take umbrage with.

I'll give you a chance to walk it back with some dignity and grace.

Consider the following possibilities.

Is there Any chance (at all) that you were

1. exaggerating?
2. being overly zealous?
3. missing the mark?
4 failing to employ good assessment skills?
5. overstating while under-researching?
6. in error?
7. demonstrating blatant bias?
8. misunderestimating the facts of the matter?
9. totally meant this in humor?
10. Forgot to take (or took too many) medications?

Pick no more than three.


Cmon, at least one in then thousand tries Larry could just slip and fall during the ring walk, or get lost on the way to the fight.

You get lost on the way to the biff -- and again getting back to your seat... but as for your questionaire...

1. None... 2. None... 3. None... 4. None... 5. I over-research and understate... 6. Not a chance... 7. That's your problem... 8. You're garble-mouthed... 9. I don't joke about Holmes kicking Ali's ass half to death. It wasn't a funny mismatch. People were crying rather than laughing... 10. I haven't taken a med for 3 years. The last one I took was CosaminDS. A friend recommended it. It's a dynamite joint enhancer I took it for 2 years with excellent results. I had a roller blading accident shooting down a steep hill. The wipe out impacted my hip a bit but the supplement made it like new. Any joint pain will go away in a few months and build the joint back for another year or so before going off it.

[scorpio83]

I am a fan for both Ali and Holmes, but I'll take the prime Ali by a 15 round decision.

[Counter-puncher]

5. I over-research and understate... .

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Unbelievable that anyone would get stripped of a World Title for fighting an ATG Heavyweight Champion... But Larry was up against that kind of crap his whole career because he trashed Ali.. But Larry Holmes was going very strong at 42.. Where were Ali and Frazier at 42??? ... Beaten to trash.

There you go with the age thing again.

Just because Holmes as still competitive at 42 & messrs Ali & Frazier were long gone at that age is totally irrelevant.

You know full well that at 42, Ali was suffering with Parkinson's & Frazier was long finished at the top level, which is par for the course with aggressive come forward fighters like him.

[Controversial]

Unbelievable that anyone would get stripped of a World Title for fighting an ATG Heavyweight Champion... But Larry was up against that kind of crap his whole career because he trashed Ali.. But Larry Holmes was going very strong at 42.. Where were Ali and Frazier at 42??? ... Beaten to trash.

There you go with the age thing again.

Just because Holmes as still competitive at 42 & messrs Ali & Frazier were long gone at that age is totally irrelevant.

You know full well that at 42, Ali was suffering with Parkinson's & Frazier was long finished at the top level, which is par for the course with aggressive come forward fighters like him.

It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

[BoxBuzz]

Unbelievable that anyone would get stripped of a World Title for fighting an ATG Heavyweight Champion... But Larry was up against that kind of crap his whole career because he trashed Ali.. But Larry Holmes was going very strong at 42.. Where were Ali and Frazier at 42??? ... Beaten to trash.

There you go with the age thing again.

Just because Holmes as still competitive at 42 & messrs Ali & Frazier were long gone at that age is totally irrelevant.

You know full well that at 42, Ali was suffering with Parkinson's & Frazier was long finished at the top level, which is par for the course with aggressive come forward fighters like him.

It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

That's because it's an entirely different kettle of fish. And Kalan is knowledgeable about all things fishy.

[BoxBuzz]

Prime Holmes would destroy a prime Ali every time... .

This is a very suspect statement, the type of statement that some may take umbrage with.

I'll give you a chance to walk it back with some dignity and grace.

Consider the following possibilities.

Is there Any chance (at all) that you were

1. exaggerating?
2. being overly zealous?
3. missing the mark?
4 failing to employ good assessment skills?
5. overstating while under-researching?
6. in error?
7. demonstrating blatant bias?
8. misunderestimating the facts of the matter?
9. totally meant this in humor?
10. Forgot to take (or took too many) medications?

Pick no more than three.


Cmon, at least one in then thousand tries Larry could just slip and fall during the ring walk, or get lost on the way to the fight.

You get lost on the way to the biff -- and again getting back to your seat... but as for your questionaire...

1. None... 2. None... 3. None... 4. None... 5. I over-research and understate... 6. Not a chance... 7. That's your problem... 8. You're garble-mouthed... 9. I don't joke about Holmes kicking Ali's ass half to death. It wasn't a funny mismatch. People were crying rather than laughing... 10. I haven't taken a med for 3 years. The last one I took was CosaminDS. A friend recommended it. It's a dynamite joint enhancer I took it for 2 years with excellent results. I had a roller blading accident shooting down a steep hill. The wipe out impacted my hip a bit but the supplement made it like new. Any joint pain will go away in a few months and build the joint back for another year or so before going off it.

This is some of the finest baloney available. Exceeds the quality of Hormel and Oscar Meyer combined!

However your answer to #7 does appear to be an attempt to clear the air and though putting the responsibility on others does appear to be an admission of fault. But it is not a problem exactly.....problems tend to take a moment to resolve. This is more of an assumption on everyone's part....without presenting any serious problematic aspects.

Thanks for being as forthright as you know how to be....

[Kalan]

There you go with the age thing again.

Just because Holmes as still competitive at 42 & messrs Ali & Frazier were long gone at that age is totally irrelevant.

You know full well that at 42, Ali was suffering with Parkinson's & Frazier was long finished at the top level, which is par for the course with aggressive come forward fighters like him.

It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

That's because it's an entirely different kettle of fish. And Kalan is knowledgeable about all things fishy.

Ali didn't come down with Parkinson's until years after his career was over.. He lived to 74---a normal life span.. Charles was apparently suffering from ALS from his 3rd Walcott fight on and died at 53 of ALS -- almost a generation earlier than Ali died... The onset of ALS happened close to his 30th birthday if you look at the deterioration in his performances.. Fighting Walcott 4 times, he looked very sharp and fast for the first 2 Walcott fights -- and slow for the last 2.

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It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

That's because it's an entirely different kettle of fish. And Kalan is knowledgeable about all things fishy.

Ali didn't come down with Parkinson's until years after his career was over.. He lived to 74---a normal life span.. Charles was apparently suffering from ALS from his 3rd Walcott fight on and died at 53 of ALS -- almost a generation earlier than Ali died... The onset of ALS happened close to his 30th birthday if you look at the deterioration in his performances.. Fighting Walcott 4 times, he looked very sharp and fast for the first 2 Walcott fights -- and slow for the last 2.

Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's at aged 42; the exact age you said Holmes was still competitive & the age you belittled Ali for not being able to fight at.

He may have been officially diagnosed at 42, but we all know he had it well before then.

Look back at the films & hear his whispery voice & the life in his face diminished in the late 1970s & tell me honestly he had no hint of a neurological condition?

[Tomasino]

Unbelievable that anyone would get stripped of a World Title for fighting an ATG Heavyweight Champion... But Larry was up against that kind of crap his whole career because he trashed Ali.. But Larry Holmes was going very strong at 42.. Where were Ali and Frazier at 42??? ... Beaten to trash.

There you go with the age thing again.

Just because Holmes as still competitive at 42 & messrs Ali & Frazier were long gone at that age is totally irrelevant.

You know full well that at 42, Ali was suffering with Parkinson's & Frazier was long finished at the top level, which is par for the course with aggressive come forward fighters like him.

It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

Il Duce has always hated Ali with an unnatural passion.

[Ambling Alp II]

That's because it's an entirely different kettle of fish. And Kalan is knowledgeable about all things fishy.

Ali didn't come down with Parkinson's until years after his career was over.. He lived to 74---a normal life span.. Charles was apparently suffering from ALS from his 3rd Walcott fight on and died at 53 of ALS -- almost a generation earlier than Ali died... The onset of ALS happened close to his 30th birthday if you look at the deterioration in his performances.. Fighting Walcott 4 times, he looked very sharp and fast for the first 2 Walcott fights -- and slow for the last 2.

Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's at aged 42; the exact age you said Holmes was still competitive & the age you belittled Ali for not being able to fight at.

He may have been officially diagnosed at 42, but we all know he had it well before then.

Look back at the films & hear his whispery voice & the life in his face diminished in the late 1970s & tell me honestly he had no hint of a neurological condition?

Outside of Kalan, I have never read or heard anywhere that Charles was suffering from his condition anywhere near that early. Ali is hard to say, it certainly wasn't "years after his career was over".

[Controversial]

It's funny that Kalan excuses Ezzard Charles' for poor performance later in his career due to ALS yet the onset of Parkinson's never gets mentioned when he refers to Ali.

That's because it's an entirely different kettle of fish. And Kalan is knowledgeable about all things fishy.

Ali didn't come down with Parkinson's until years after his career was over.. He lived to 74---a normal life span.. Charles was apparently suffering from ALS from his 3rd Walcott fight on and died at 53 of ALS -- almost a generation earlier than Ali died... The onset of ALS happened close to his 30th birthday if you look at the deterioration in his performances.. Fighting Walcott 4 times, he looked very sharp and fast for the first 2 Walcott fights -- and slow for the last 2.

Shuffling around not being able to talk or do anything for yourself is hardly a normal life. He lasted as long as he did because he could afford the best medical care in the world, he existed he didn't live. Ali was displaying signs of some neurological damage as early as 1977 according to some sources and you will find interviews with him whilst still fighting where his speech is slow and slurred.

[Kalan]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

[BoxBuzz]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

...........one might infer from this shockingly uninformative and goofishly leading statement, that both men were at their mutual best, and one was just that much better than the other.

And of course this was true......in the Bizzarro/Kalan universe. A universe we are all exploring together on this very forum. Soon to be a documentary on the Discover Channel, I'm sure.

[Controversial]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

What's that got to do with you denying Ali had a brain injury? Meldrick Taylor was a good defensive fighter and he has bad brain damage. Chuvalo took on some of the hardest punchers in boxing and was hardly a defensive genius and is still as bright as a button so that blows your ridiculous theory out the water.

[BoxBuzz]

We are all "differently susceptible" to brain injury. So there is no lock on an outcome.

But one thing his fairly certain when it comes to incoming....less is better.

[punchoutsb]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

What's that got to do with you denying Ali had a brain injury? Meldrick Taylor was a good defensive fighter and he has bad brain damage. Chuvalo took on some of the hardest punchers in boxing and was hardly a defensive genius and is still as bright as a button so that blows your ridiculous theory out the water.

Tex Cobb earned his magna cum laude bachelors at 57 after his brutal career to add another example.

[davie]

. 10. I haven't taken a med for 3 years. The last one I took was CosaminDS. A friend recommended it. It's a dynamite joint enhancer I took it for 2 years with excellent results. I had a roller blading accident shooting down a steep hill. The wipe out impacted my hip a bit but the supplement made it like new. Any joint pain will go away in a few months and build the joint back for another year or so before going off it.

Weren't you ringside when Corbett beat Sullivan?
Surely rollerblading down steep hills is a bit of a risk at your age.

Just goes to show, age should be no barrier.....

[Kalan]

Certain things you can do at any age. Roller blading, skating, skiing, surfing, sex, swimming, dancing, partying, running, typing.. Not that you go real fast.

Boxing and Football you might have to give up at some point -- it all depends on how good you were in the first place.

Certain people were not made for certain activities -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

[Kalan]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

...........one might infer from this shockingly uninformative and goofishly leading statement, that both men were at their mutual best, and one was just that much better than the other.

And of course this was true......in the Bizzarro/Kalan universe. A universe we are all exploring together on this very forum. Soon to be a documentary on the Discover Channel, I'm sure.

If Ali qualified to participate in a World Heavyweight Championship Fight -- and he was only 38... (Ali did do that series of neurological tests at the Mayo Clinic and the boxing commissioners were appraised of the results) presumably you're not finished yet. He must have had something left.

[Controversial]

That's why the greatest boxing trainers say you shouldn't take needless punishment.. and master how to slip, duck, block, parry, and roll punches with supreme finesse.. Unfortunately everybody doesn't heed that advice ... Floyd did. Ali didn't.

Holmes was possibly the best pure boxer among Heavyweights... And Holmes-Ali was possibly the most one-sided major boxing match-up ever witnessed

...........one might infer from this shockingly uninformative and goofishly leading statement, that both men were at their mutual best, and one was just that much better than the other.

And of course this was true......in the Bizzarro/Kalan universe. A universe we are all exploring together on this very forum. Soon to be a documentary on the Discover Channel, I'm sure.

If Ali qualified to participate in a World Heavyweight Championship Fight -- and he was only 38... (Ali did do that series of neurological tests at the Mayo Clinic and the boxing commissioners were appraised of the results) presumably you're not finished yet. He must have had something left.

Quite clearly he had nothing left. The very same clinic also reported that he couldn't hop on one leg properly, touch his nose with his finger or coordinate his speaking.

[Kalan]

I guess that's why he looked worse than bad.. He looked sad.. Holmes said he was looking for somebody to stop it so he wouldn't have to. It was 15 rounds

And he was 36 when Leon beat him, not at his peak best... But only 31 when Norton shattered his jaw and 29 when Frazier turned back his challenge.

29 and 31 are certainly prime years... Holmes never lost in his prime so that's why he was better.

[Counter-puncher]

I guess that's why he looked worse than bad.. He looked sad.. Holmes said he was looking for somebody to stop it so he wouldn't have to. It was 15 rounds

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so then you accept that it is pointless to judge a fighter in that state of decline, excellent, it's only taken 6 months

[BoxBuzz]

... Holmes never lost in his prime so that's why he was better.

Got it.....so, as one evaluates things of this nature, the set of opponents do not need to be factored in.

Good to know.