Tyson Fury v Manual Charr

[Boxerbeetle]

Cmon pal why are idiots on hefe comparing tyson fckin fury to the great ali? Get ur head out ur asses he aint NO ALI

Fury isnt in the league of the Greatest. I would put Fury around the British decent fighters such as Gary Mason and thats being kind in my opinion as Fury never reached his peak or full potential.

Fury vs lewis = lewis by k.o
Fury vs bruno = bruno by k.o
Fury vs mason = mason by k.o
Fury vs herbie hide = hide points
Fury vs cooper= fury by k.o
Fury vs Henry akinwande = points win fury
Fury vs joe bugner= bugner points
Fury vs julius francis= fury k.o
Fury vs prime danny williams = williams by k.o
Fury vs joshua =joshua devastating k.o

So 2 of the hardest punching heavyweights ever, Lewis & Bruno, beat Fury by ko, but Joshua beats Fury by devastating ko? Why the difference?

[Oiky]

There are two ways of looking at the Fury Wlad fight. People who like Fury tend to focus on the result - he went away from home and did the job against an elite level, long term champion in an upset win. People who don't like Fury tend to focus on the performance, the lack of punches thrown, the very low amount landed, the lack of action.

Where the jealousy comes in is that Fury is obviously such a poorly regarded character that the reaction to the win seems overly harsh. Haye became a bit of a hero when he went away and scored a low-action, points result against Valuev, (clearly a weaker opponent than Wlad.) Fury does the same and becomes a laughing stock.

I can see both sides, but I don't think results are the be all and end all.

good post

[Andrew]

Oh and on the Furys and drugs, Peter gave an interview a week or so back saying Hughie was putting on a pound per week and was leaner than he had ever been. Say what?! That is literally fecking impossible. No human being will put on a pound per week but be leaner than ever as that would mean it is muscle and that is physically not possible. And they are meant to be professionals?!

Hughie has still not been publically cleared by UKAD for the nandrolone positive test in Feb 2015

[Andrew]

FFs he still hasn't been charged or cleared of three anti doping violations people need to calm down about his comeback.

If not by bbboc it will be by some other body if Fury wishes to box on regardless of the doping.

He can't as they are all affiliated and under WADA rules. Peter said this in his last IFl interview a few weeks back.

He said Tyson was cleared of the doping charges and that the only thing outstanding was when he told testers to F*ck off and refused a drugs test.

However UKAD have NOT publicly cleared him of anything.

I said on another thread that if Peter was telling the truth then I reckon Tyson will be banned until September 2018.

A cyclist as part of the BBC investigation into doping in cycling got two years for refusing a test. If you refuse a test your refuse a test.

Not having a go it's just people are ignoring the facts out there and being unrealistic.

Warren on his last IFl interview said Fury has a UKAD hearing on May 8th.

So only when the case file from that is uploaded to UKADs site should people start talking about him coming back.

Until the results of the charge are made public people are wasting their time talking about him coming back.

[stujones]

There are two ways of looking at the Fury Wlad fight. People who like Fury tend to focus on the result - he went away from home and did the job against an elite level, long term champion in an upset win. People who don't like Fury tend to focus on the performance, the lack of punches thrown, the very low amount landed, the lack of action.

Where the jealousy comes in is that Fury is obviously such a poorly regarded character that the reaction to the win seems overly harsh. Haye became a bit of a hero when he went away and scored a low-action, points result against Valuev, (clearly a weaker opponent than Wlad.) Fury does the same and becomes a laughing stock.

I can see both sides, but I don't think results are the be all and end all.

Good point re Haye - again people seem to have forgotton that this fight was again very close and could have gone either way..... in fact, I thought Valuev won.

The key difference though I think are two fold.
1) The almost KD that Haye scored.... It was a case of David almost slaying Goliath - Fury didn't do that to the "chinny" Klitchsko.
2) Value, IMO wrongly, was perceived as being bad for boxing - a bad champion, a champion that shouldn't have got a decision vs Holyfield.... any win that knocked him out of the equation was perceived as a positive for the sport.... Not sure if the same can be said for Wlad, in fact it was rather sad to see father time catch up with a very good champion.

People thought that Haye was going to struggle against Valuev cos of the size factor.... but if (even if it is not legitimate) he wins then it lights up the heavyweight era and he will have more success against smaller heavyweights.

[Horse]

Fury isnt in the league of the Greatest. I would put Fury around the British decent fighters such as Gary Mason and thats being kind in my opinion as Fury never reached his peak or full potential.

In what way is that being kind?

Are you trolling or are you incredibly stupid?

[BitPlayer]

There are two ways of looking at the Fury Wlad fight. People who like Fury tend to focus on the result - he went away from home and did the job against an elite level, long term champion in an upset win. People who don't like Fury tend to focus on the performance, the lack of punches thrown, the very low amount landed, the lack of action.

Where the jealousy comes in is that Fury is obviously such a poorly regarded character that the reaction to the win seems overly harsh. Haye became a bit of a hero when he went away and scored a low-action, points result against Valuev, (clearly a weaker opponent than Wlad.) Fury does the same and becomes a laughing stock.

I can see both sides, but I don't think results are the be all and end all.

Good point re Haye - again people seem to have forgotton that this fight was again very close and could have gone either way..... in fact, I thought Valuev won.

The key difference though I think are two fold.
1) The almost KD that Haye scored.... It was a case of David almost slaying Goliath - Fury didn't do that to the "chinny" Klitchsko.
2) Value, IMO wrongly, was perceived as being bad for boxing - a bad champion, a champion that shouldn't have got a decision vs Holyfield.... any win that knocked him out of the equation was perceived as a positive for the sport.... Not sure if the same can be said for Wlad, in fact it was rather sad to see father time catch up with a very good champion.

People thought that Haye was going to struggle against Valuev cos of the size factor.... but if (even if it is not legitimate) he wins then it lights up the heavyweight era and he will have more success against smaller heavyweights.

But that all falls apart when you consider Valuev, like you said, struggled with 46 year old Holyfield, who weighed in a few pounds less than Haye did.

[Mimmy]

Fury isnt in the league of the Greatest. I would put Fury around the British decent fighters such as Gary Mason and thats being kind in my opinion as Fury never reached his peak or full potential.

In what way is that being kind?

Are you trolling or are you incredibly stupid?

So we gonna start the name calling again.

This time I wont be sending you any private messages offering olive branches. Im not stupid fella I save lives.

[Horse]

So we gonna start the name calling again.

This time I wont be sending you any private messages offering olive branches. Im not stupid fella I save lives.

That's why I think that you are trolling.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nothing unreasonable about comparing Mason and fury. That's a toss up fight.

[Mimmy]

So we gonna start the name calling again.

This time I wont be sending you any private messages offering olive branches. Im not stupid fella I save lives.

That's why I think that you are trolling.

So you misfit you have only just established that after over 6000 posts ive made. And many decent posts. While you, you are the biggest vile troll I know on here. Do not ever reply to me again, If you do its clear that you want me to then reply as you are the troll, you say vile nasty things to people so you get a reaction. Look up the definition of trolling. Then look at your filthy stained Y fronts.

[handsofstone]

So we gonna start the name calling again.

This time I wont be sending you any private messages offering olive branches. Im not stupid fella I save lives.

That's why I think that you are trolling.

So you misfit you have only just established that after over 6000 posts ive made. And many decent posts. While you, you are the biggest vile troll I know on here. Do not ever reply to me again, If you do its clear that you want me to then reply as you are the troll, you say vile nasty things to people so you get a reaction. Look up the definition of trolling. Then look at your filthy stained Y fronts.

Wee curveball with that last sentence there Mimmy

[Horse]

So you misfit you have only just established that after over 6000 posts ive made. And many decent posts. While you, you are the biggest vile troll I know on here. Do not ever reply to me again, If you do its clear that you want me to then reply as you are the troll, you say vile nasty things to people so you get a reaction. Look up the definition of trolling. Then look at your filthy stained Y fronts.

You are not a nice person.

I don't like you.

[Mimmy]

That's why I think that you are trolling.

So you misfit you have only just established that after over 6000 posts ive made. And many decent posts. While you, you are the biggest vile troll I know on here. Do not ever reply to me again, If you do its clear that you want me to then reply as you are the troll, you say vile nasty things to people so you get a reaction. Look up the definition of trolling. Then look at your filthy stained Y fronts.

Wee curveball with that last sentence there Mimmy

I hate calling people any name if not in jest but honestly this twat gets you down. Sometimes I feel upset after reading things he writes and I do not think he has any idea that he might just hurt peoples feelings. Why would anyone just randomly call people idiots? Sometimes I hate Horse for just being a vile bully behind a keyboard.

[Mimmy]

So you misfit you have only just established that after over 6000 posts ive made. And many decent posts. While you, you are the biggest vile troll I know on here. Do not ever reply to me again, If you do its clear that you want me to then reply as you are the troll, you say vile nasty things to people so you get a reaction. Look up the definition of trolling. Then look at your filthy stained Y fronts.

You are not a nice person.

I don't like you.

At least I had the decency to private message you saying no hard feelings. My lost foreskin will be more man than you ever will be. Good night Horse now piss off.

[Horse]

I hate calling people any name if not in jest but honestly this twat gets you down. Sometimes I feel upset after reading things he writes and I do not think he has any idea that he might just hurt peoples feelings. Why would anyone just randomly call people idiots? Sometimes I hate Horse for just being a vile bully behind a keyboard.

Stop being such a phoney.

[Horse]

Nothing unreasonable about comparing Mason and fury. That's a toss up fight.

Fury is far superior to Mason.

They are not on the same level.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nothing unreasonable about comparing Mason and fury. That's a toss up fight.

Fury is far superior to Mason.

They are not on the same level.

Sure they are.

[Horse]

Sure they are.

Nope.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sure they are.

Nope.

Yes

[Horse]

Yes

Tyson Fury is the Lineal/Ring heavyweight champion of the world.

What is the best thing that Gary Mason ever did?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yes

Tyson Fury is the Lineal/Ring heavyweight champion of the world.

What is the best thing that Gary Mason ever did?

Watch Mason fight, you should try that more often when discussing boxers.

[Horse]

Watch Mason fight, you should try that more often when discussing boxers.

I am against the "eye test", it is vastly overrated.

Fury has achieved far more than Mason ever did.

Mason does not deserve to be compared favourably to Fury.

[Mimmy]

Yes

Tyson Fury is the Lineal/Ring heavyweight champion of the world.

What is the best thing that Gary Mason ever did?

Dont you ever slag off Gary Mason.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Watch Mason fight, you should try that more often when discussing boxers.

I am against the "eye test", it is vastly overrated.

Fury has achieved far more than Mason ever did.

Mason does not deserve to be compared favourably to Fury.

Yes, every more accomplished fighter always wins.