Golovkin to Have Five or Six Fights Before Granting Jacobs Rematch!

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What if they're all close? Ward/kovalev 9 on ppv? Lol
Your speaking hypothetical. We have rematches and they always lead to one guy being the better of the two. Speak in reality. Imagine how many good fights if good fights where rematched.
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world ranked wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What if they're all close? Ward/kovalev 9 on ppv? Lol
Your speaking hypothetical. We have rematches and they always lead to one guy being the better of the two. Speak in reality. Imagine how many good fights if good fights where rematched.
It is absolutely a reality that your bizarre concept would find fighters in a string of neverending rematches. I don't think the sport misses out on many must see rematches. Rarely in fact.
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world ranked wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
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Yeah and most probably needed a rematch.
:o :lol:
I don't understand why that's funny. You can make a case any recent close fights need or should have rematch.
It is hilarious. FMJ v Maidana was a pointless waste of time with the exception of Marcos getting a second excellent payday and FMJ acquiring another very low risk W.

"Some people" think that Danny defeated Once Upon A Time. Some think Ruiz defeated Parker.

Nearly every decision would lead to a rematch if your plan was implemented. Pretty much everyone would be fighting the same opponent for years until someone Planquiaoed their opponent.

It is just not realistic and it would ruin boxing. You might as well eliminate decisions for every fight not ending in a stoppage and there is an automatic rematch.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
crow wrote:Gennady can make 3 times his Jacobs purse vs Eubank Jr.
No, just no! That is a preposterous claim!

And didn't all of the extreme hardcore GGG fans persistently claim that Golovkin chases legacy over money, which is the reason why he insists on remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his team claiming that no man from 154lbs to 175lbs is capable of beating him?
An Eubank jr vs GGG title fight at 160 in UK would do the same or more than vs Brook.
They go crazy with their fighters over there.
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Tanzio wrote:
world ranked wrote:
Tanzio wrote: :o :lol:
I don't understand why that's funny. You can make a case any recent close fights need or should have rematch.
It is hilarious. FMJ v Maidana was a pointless waste of time with the exception of Marcos getting a second excellent payday and FMJ acquiring another very low risk W.

"Some people" think that Danny defeated Once Upon A Time. Some think Ruiz defeated Parker.

Nearly every decision would lead to a rematch if your plan was implemented. Pretty much everyone would be fighting the same opponent for years until someone Planquiaoed their opponent.

It is just not realistic and it would ruin boxing. You might as well eliminate decisions for every fight not ending in a stoppage is rematched.
I one of the few people who thought Maidana beat FLoyd in the first fight. Again you guys are making it seem like every rematch will be close and through all time rematches most aren't close and guys aren't fighting 5 and 6 times like you guys are suggested. Stop over over exaggerating how long of time these fights would take up. The close fights are the only competive fights most of the time anyway. I rather the see Marquez-Vasquez or Gatti-Ward than to see Ward run after the super six or Kovalev runs prior to Hopkins. Eliminate Canelo-Angulo or Kirkland and you could had Lara or Trout rematches. :bow:
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Gatti/Ward was pretty pointless after the first one. No drama that remotely matched the first. That's what you're ignoring, rematches are rarely half as good as the first encounter. You say we're exaggerating when you said there should be a rematch in every fight without a consensus winner. I'd certainly watch GGG/Jacobs 2, but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't happen. They box so infrequently I'd prefer rematches build. I'd love to see Ward/Beterbiev & Kovalev/Gvodoz(no idea how to spell his name) than their immediate rematch.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Gatti/Ward was pretty pointless after the first one. No drama that remotely matched the first. That's what you're ignoring, rematches are rarely half as good as the first encounter. You say we're exaggerating when you said there should be a rematch in every fight without a consensus winner. I'd certainly watch GGG/Jacobs 2, but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't happen. They box so infrequently I'd prefer rematches build. I'd love to see Ward/Beterbiev & Kovalev/Gvodoz(no idea how to spell his name) than their immediate rematch.
The point is you'd love to see those fights right. But the business side tells you they not happening. Stop dreaming and hoping. You wanted Stevenson-Kovalev or Stevenson-Ward or GGG-Canelo see how those working out. :lol: Be realistic Ward-Gatti 2 was meaningless :lol: I know you, me and everyone wanted to see the rematch because entertaining and competive. What a concept right?
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world ranked wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Gatti/Ward was pretty pointless after the first one. No drama that remotely matched the first. That's what you're ignoring, rematches are rarely half as good as the first encounter. You say we're exaggerating when you said there should be a rematch in every fight without a consensus winner. I'd certainly watch GGG/Jacobs 2, but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't happen. They box so infrequently I'd prefer rematches build. I'd love to see Ward/Beterbiev & Kovalev/Gvodoz(no idea how to spell his name) than their immediate rematch.
The point is you'd love to see those fights right. But the business side tells you they not happening. Stop dreaming and hoping. You wanted Stevenson-Kovalev or Stevenson-Ward or GGG-Canelo see how those working out. :lol: Be realistic Ward-Gatti 2 was meaningless :lol: I know you, me and everyone wanted to see the rematch because entertaining and competive. What a concept right?
What?
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world ranked wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Fight was closer than Floyd/Maidana 1 ...
The bias the general fan has in boxing is similar to hometown fans rooting for their team.
In a judging sport, that's a bad thing.
No fan on earth is completely unbiased

This post reads like floyd bias, ggg anti bias

I've heard hardly any momentum for a rematch between ggg vs Jacobs

The thing with mayweather is everything's hyped for money. The situation vs Madiana was hyped for the rematch. As the last poster says, both were close fights with the right results
Biases don't mean you can't be partial.
Do you mean can't be impartial?

In the case of fans, I'm not sure you're right, in the case of judges you should be right. But let's not be too naive. There are "home town" judging and reffing. Not specific to America fyi, happens all over.

Long story short, if there's a reasonable case for neutral, at least 1 neutral shouldn't be too big a hurdle to sort
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Gvodoz(no idea how to spell his name)
It is Nail.
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crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
crow wrote:Gennady can make 3 times his Jacobs purse vs Eubank Jr.
No, just no! That is a preposterous claim!

And didn't all of the extreme hardcore GGG fans persistently claim that Golovkin chases legacy over money, which is the reason why he insists on remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his team claiming that no man from 154lbs to 175lbs is capable of beating him?
An Eubank jr vs GGG title fight at 160 in UK would do the same or more than vs Brook.
They go crazy with their fighters over there.
Golovkin wouldn't receive a $7.5m guaranteed purse to face Eubank Jr, which was something you claimed.
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Tanzio wrote:
lazboy wrote:I will never understand why people say Maidana beat Mayweather. He hardly landed clean on him at all, aside from a few body shots early on. It was nice showcase of defensive skill inside the pocket, less running, true grit in there. Then he completely took over after 6. Completly dominated Maidana from then on after Maidana started fatiguing. There was a monumental shift in momementum towards Mayweather, he landed the cleaner harder shots down the stretch and really the whole fight. He beat maidana way better than he did in the second fight where he boxed him. Crap fight the second one, worse still was May Pac and then Berto was the worst. Still, he's one of my favourites. Just was passionless after the Canelo fight/maidana 1 it seems.
The simple answer is so FMJ could get away with rematching a popular fighter who was no real threat to him.
Pretty much, he had him figured out completely.
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Ossyrules wrote:I've heard hardly any momentum for a rematch between ggg vs Jacobs
The regular fight fan is scared GGG would get beat and ruin their dream match.
It's crazy how belts become meaningful when they allow a fighter to duck a bigger challenge.

BJS is just another KO.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:I've heard hardly any momentum for a rematch between ggg vs Jacobs
The regular fight fan is scared GGG would get beat and ruin their dream match.
It's crazy how belts become meaningful when they allow a fighter to duck a bigger challenge.

BJS is just another KO.
You're saying that there's no noise for a rematch as the boxing world are scared GGG would get beat?

Nonsense
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Ossyrules wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:I've heard hardly any momentum for a rematch between ggg vs Jacobs
The regular fight fan is scared GGG would get beat and ruin their dream match.
It's crazy how belts become meaningful when they allow a fighter to duck a bigger challenge.

BJS is just another KO.
You're saying that there's no noise for a rematch as the boxing world are scared GGG would get beat?

Nonsense
There is no shortage of nonsense in this thread.
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Danny just needs to keep winning. Beat charlo and lemieux.
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Smart move they lost the last time :clap: he might as well go to the biggest bidder :bag:
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Smart move they lost the last time :clap: he might as well go to the biggest bidder :bag:
Only in your inflamed imagination.
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boxing_rocks wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Smart move they lost the last time :clap: he might as well go to the biggest bidder :bag:
Only in your inflamed imagination.
Clive is right, Danny did get dropped, hurt, outlanded, and unanimously beaten last time, with his 7 year KO streak being snapped.

No shame in losing to the better man, especially when it's GGG. I'd like to see Danny in with Lemieux or Charlo soon, although DL is a Golden Boy guy.
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Ossyrules wrote:You're saying that there's no noise for a rematch as the boxing world are scared GGG would get beat?

Nonsense
The "boxing world" has decided that GGG/Canelo is a necessary fight.
The boxing world is willing to ignore GGG's first questionable win. Why?
Many people had the fight even going into the 12th.

That's not worthy of a rematch instead of a BJS knockout?
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crusader wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Smart move they lost the last time :clap: he might as well go to the biggest bidder :bag:
Only in your inflamed imagination.
Clive is right, Danny did get dropped, hurt, outlanded, and unanimously beaten last time, with his 7 year KO streak being snapped.

No shame in losing to the better man, especially when it's GGG. I'd like to see Danny in with Lemieux or Charlo soon, although DL is a Golden Boy guy.
Clive is right a lot of the time, sometimes gets his names mixed up though.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:You're saying that there's no noise for a rematch as the boxing world are scared GGG would get beat?

Nonsense
The "boxing world" has decided that GGG/Canelo is a necessary fight.
The boxing world is willing to ignore GGG's first questionable win. Why?
Many people had the fight even going into the 12th.

That's not worthy of a rematch instead of a BJS knockout?
Ggg vs Canelo is the biggest fight. Money and boxing

Nobodies ignoring Ggg vs Jacobs as Jacobs has got heap of credit. It was close win, but the win weren't questionable for most

Saunders has the last piece of the puzzle, so yes making history is bigger than Jacobs

Accept it
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Ossyrules wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:You're saying that there's no noise for a rematch as the boxing world are scared GGG would get beat?

Nonsense
The "boxing world" has decided that GGG/Canelo is a necessary fight.
The boxing world is willing to ignore GGG's first questionable win. Why?
Many people had the fight even going into the 12th.

That's not worthy of a rematch instead of a BJS knockout?
Ggg vs Canelo is the biggest fight. Money and boxing

Nobodies ignoring Ggg vs Jacobs as Jacobs has got heap of credit. It was close win, but the win weren't questionable for most

Saunders has the last piece of the puzzle, so yes making history is bigger than Jacobs

Accept it
Indeed, GGG vs Canelo is the fight but the question is when ? IMO this fight should've been made after Canelo fought Khan. I think GGG should focus on get BJS to achieve his goal then go after Canelo.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Many people had the fight even going into the 12th.
How many times did you count yourself?
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boxing_rocks wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Many people had the fight even going into the 12th.
How many times did you count yourself?
I did as well. There are people that believe he won I would say 80 percent thought Golovkin won. I actually scored it for Jacobs originally because I thought GGG did nothing the first three rounds but someone told to rewatch for some things. I did and change one of first three rounds for GGG thus changing the winner.
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