Arum: Sergey Kovalev Request For Neutral Judges is Ridiculous!

[Ossyrules]

Congratulations Enlightened One you have clogged and ruined another opinion thread. My time was wasted. I expect to be compensated for my loss. Please provide me your home address and banking details. You may private me in the interest of privacy.

I find it funny that people are genuinely offended by the facts that I supply, but refuse to address them head-on. Instead they use the following dishonest debating tactics to undermine the perceived “value” of the evidence, knowing full-well that the facts themselves cannot be refuted:

• Attacking the arguer and not the argument, via name calling, to diminish the value of the argument
• “X must exist, because if it didn’t then how could Y be possible!” despite the absence of evidence
• Straw man: making a caricature out of a position or fabricating a fictional stance in order to make it easier to attack the arguer – not their words
• Mockery, derision and ridicule: No facts or logic instead of justifying the use of the dismissive language
• Dismissing a perceived failure to abandon one's position because “you just don’t get it”
• Badgering, which is repeating the same tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent
• Simply claiming that you're wrong without explaining the reasons why or providing evidence to the contrary
• Changing the subject when the troll is losing the argument to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

We’ve seen all of these tactics employed in this thread, with the vast majority of the responses being off-topic, since they don’t directly relate to the thread title or the facts that support Bob Arum's claims.

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

[Enlightened-One]

Congratulations Enlightened One you have clogged and ruined another opinion thread. My time was wasted. I expect to be compensated for my loss. Please provide me your home address and banking details. You may private me in the interest of privacy.

I find it funny that people are genuinely offended by the facts that I supply, but refuse to address them head-on. Instead they use the following dishonest debating tactics to undermine the perceived “value” of the evidence, knowing full-well that the facts themselves cannot be refuted:

• Attacking the arguer and not the argument, via name calling, to diminish the value of the argument
• “X must exist, because if it didn’t then how could Y be possible!” despite the absence of evidence
• Straw man: making a caricature out of a position or fabricating a fictional stance in order to make it easier to attack the arguer – not their words
• Mockery, derision and ridicule: No facts or logic instead of justifying the use of the dismissive language
• Dismissing a perceived failure to abandon one's position because “you just don’t get it”
• Badgering, which is repeating the same tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent
• Simply claiming that you're wrong without explaining the reasons why or providing evidence to the contrary
• Changing the subject when the troll is losing the argument to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

We’ve seen all of these tactics employed in this thread, with the vast majority of the responses being off-topic, since they don’t directly relate to the thread title or the facts that support Bob Arum's claims.

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

You've actually responded to my answer to this question.

[Ossyrules]

I find it funny that people are genuinely offended by the facts that I supply, but refuse to address them head-on. Instead they use the following dishonest debating tactics to undermine the perceived “value” of the evidence, knowing full-well that the facts themselves cannot be refuted:

• Attacking the arguer and not the argument, via name calling, to diminish the value of the argument
• “X must exist, because if it didn’t then how could Y be possible!” despite the absence of evidence
• Straw man: making a caricature out of a position or fabricating a fictional stance in order to make it easier to attack the arguer – not their words
• Mockery, derision and ridicule: No facts or logic instead of justifying the use of the dismissive language
• Dismissing a perceived failure to abandon one's position because “you just don’t get it”
• Badgering, which is repeating the same tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent
• Simply claiming that you're wrong without explaining the reasons why or providing evidence to the contrary
• Changing the subject when the troll is losing the argument to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

We’ve seen all of these tactics employed in this thread, with the vast majority of the responses being off-topic, since they don’t directly relate to the thread title or the facts that support Bob Arum's claims.

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

You've actually responded to my answer to this question.

Yet you can't answer that question

But you can copy and paste long old posts that don't

[Enlightened-One]

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

You've actually responded to my answer to this question.

Yet you can't answer that question

But you can copy and paste long old posts that don't

Use your eyeballs and read through my posts in this thread. I have answered this very same question, directly, on multiple occasions.

If you can’t read, then please ask for assistance from a friend, relative or a stranger in the street.

If you insist that I quote my words, to expose your lying nonsense, then when I do so, you have to apologise for your trolling and admit to being an utterly moronic imbecile!

[Ossyrules]

You've actually responded to my answer to this question.

Yet you can't answer that question

But you can copy and paste long old posts that don't

Use your eyeballs and read through my posts in this thread. I have answered this very same question, directly, on multiple occasions.

If you can’t read, then please ask for assistance from a friend, relative or a stranger in the street.

If you insist that I quote my words, to expose your lying nonsense, then when I do so, you have to apologise for your trolling and admit to being an utterly moronic imbecile!

The closest you get is he didn't need them before

stip being a silly c*nt please. Neutral officiating is not unreasonable to ask

[Enlightened-One]

The closest you get is he didn't need them before

stip being a silly c*nt please. Neutral officiating is not unreasonable to ask

It’s time that you admitted to being a lazy fúckíng twát that is also illiterate and constantly lies, because here’s an example of me answering the question that you have posed multiple times to me in this thread, that you blatantly refuse to either read or recognise:

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

Yet you can't answer that question

I'm not against neutral judges, but I am against people like Kathy Duva that are in denial of the mistakes they make, whilst using diversionary tactics to make it appear that someone else is responsible instead.

I don't mind Kovalev wanting "neutral judges" scoring his rematch against the S.O.G...

The blue text is hyperlinked and will take you to the individual post in this thread that contains these words!

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[Ossyrules]

The closest you get is he didn't need them before

stip being a silly c*nt please. Neutral officiating is not unreasonable to ask

It’s time that you admitted to being a lazy fúckíng twát that is also illiterate and constantly lies, because here’s an example of me answering the question that you have posed multiple times to me in this thread, that you blatantly refuse to either read or recognise:

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

Yet you can't answer that question

I'm not against neutral judges, but I am against people like Kathy Duva that are in denial of the mistakes they make, whilst using diversionary tactics to make it appear that someone else is responsible instead.

I don't mind Kovalev wanting "neutral judges" scoring his rematch against the S.O.G...

The blue text is hyperlinked and will take you to the individual post in this thread that contains these words!

Readers of this thread, long story short, no issues with neutral judges

[Enlightened-One]

The closest you get is he didn't need them before

stip being a silly c*nt please. Neutral officiating is not unreasonable to ask

It’s time that you admitted to being a lazy fúckíng twát that is also illiterate and constantly lies, because here’s an example of me answering the question that you have posed multiple times to me in this thread, that you blatantly refuse to either read or recognise:

Are neutral judges unreasonable request

Yet you can't answer that question

I'm not against neutral judges, but I am against people like Kathy Duva that are in denial of the mistakes they make, whilst using diversionary tactics to make it appear that someone else is responsible instead.

I don't mind Kovalev wanting "neutral judges" scoring his rematch against the S.O.G...

The blue text is hyperlinked and will take you to the individual post in this thread that contains these words!

Readers of this thread, long story short, no issues with neutral judges

Will you apologise for your lies and laziness?

The request for neutral judges in any fight isn’t unreasonable – but the actions of Kathy Duva, Main Events and Sergey Kovalev are open to criticism, based on their track record.

[lazboy]

EO is trying to cover his tracks by overloading the thread with his copied and pasted generic response. Please don't get sidetracked by this meaningless trolling. The real truth lies in page 4 of the thread. His avoidance of questions, inability to adopt a different stance and diversionary tactics are common ingredients of the troll.

[Enlightened-One]

EO is trying to cover his tracks by overloading the thread with his copied and pasted generic response. Please don't get sidetracked by this meaningless trolling. The real truth lies in page 4 of the thread. His avoidance of questions, inability to adopt a different stance and diversionary tactics are common ingredients of the troll.

And yet you refuse to concede your inability to read or comprehend information that is presented to you?

[boxing_rocks]

EO is the dumbest poster ever. He listed Kovalev's previous opponents 3 or more times even though he was explained that what judges were used in those cases is irrelevant, as in those cases (except maybe one) judges didn't have a chance to rob him.

[Enlightened-One]

EO is the dumbest poster ever. He listed Kovalev's previous opponents 3 or more times even though he was explained that what judges were used in those cases is irrelevant, as in those cases (except maybe one) judges didn't have a chance to rob him.

The stats I listed support Bob Arum's claims, as per the thread title.

Complaining about a perceived lack of neutrality, whilst also possessing a proven track record of using American judges to score 69% of one's bouts is utterly moronic, hence the legitimacy of Arum's opinion, as per the thread title.

[world ranked]

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

Enlightened-One claims that they did not request particular request for judges. So why do it now if they didn't in the first fight.

[boxing_rocks]

EO is the dumbest poster ever. He listed Kovalev's previous opponents 3 or more times even though he was explained that what judges were used in those cases is irrelevant, as in those cases (except maybe one) judges didn't have a chance to rob him.

The stats I listed support Bob Arum's claims, as per the thread title.

Complaining about a perceived lack of neutrality, whilst also possessing a proven track record of using American judges to score 69% of one's bouts is utterly moronic, hence the legitimacy of Arum's opinion, as per the thread title.

Arum is a hypocrite, as he requested the same for Pac vs Bradley. You are a either a hypocrite or a complete dummy.

[Tanzio]

EO is the dumbest poster ever. He listed Kovalev's previous opponents 3 or more times even though he was explained that what judges were used in those cases is irrelevant, as in those cases (except maybe one) judges didn't have a chance to rob him.

The stats I listed support Bob Arum's claims, as per the thread title.

Complaining about a perceived lack of neutrality, whilst also possessing a proven track record of using American judges to score 69% of one's bouts is utterly moronic, hence the legitimacy of Arum's opinion, as per the thread title.

Arum is a hypocrite, as he requested the same for Pac vs Bradley. You are a either a hypocrite or a complete dummy.

But work real hard, E-O, and someday you too might become a box of rocks.

[Ossyrules]

It’s time that you admitted to being a lazy fúckíng twát that is also illiterate and constantly lies, because here’s an example of me answering the question that you have posed multiple times to me in this thread, that you blatantly refuse to either read or recognise:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... s#p4639176
The blue text is hyperlinked and will take you to the individual post in this thread that contains these words!

Readers of this thread, long story short, no issues with neutral judges

Will you apologise for your lies and laziness?

The request for neutral judges in any fight isn’t unreasonable – but the actions of Kathy Duva, Main Events and Sergey Kovalev are open to criticism, based on their track record.

No lies from me. It's an Internet forum for boxing I have no reason to lie. If it makes you feel better though, sorry

This was necessary to get a worm like you to keep it simple and not pad out meaningless waffle

No issues with neutral judges people.

This thread is done

[Enlightened-One]

Readers of this thread, long story short, no issues with neutral judges

Will you apologise for your lies and laziness?

The request for neutral judges in any fight isn’t unreasonable – but the actions of Kathy Duva, Main Events and Sergey Kovalev are open to criticism, based on their track record.

No lies from me. It's an Internet forum for boxing I have no reason to lie. If it makes you feel better though, sorry

This was necessary to get a worm like you to keep it simple and not pad out meaningless waffle

No issues with neutral judges people.

This thread is done

You made claims that you knew for certain were untrue, which is the dictionary definition of lying.

My words would only be deemed unnecessarily offensive if they were inaccurate, but they aren’t, since I'm simply reflecting what has occurred in reality.

[boxing_rocks]

Making false claims is not equal to lying. It could be due to lack of knowledge or being plain stupid. For example, regarding EO, I am still not sure if he is a liar or an idiot. I am leaning towards the latter though.

[Enlightened-One]

Making false claims is not equal to lying. It could be due to lack of knowledge or being plain stupid. For example, regarding EO, I am still not sure if he is a liar or an idiot. I am leaning towards the latter though.

Read my post again, instead of criticisng or arguing out of ignorance. My post laboured over intent.

Resorting to insults (like you have just done) when you cannot comprehend clearly articulated information and subsequently provide an intelligent response, makes you look really bad.

[Ossyrules]

Will you apologise for your lies and laziness?

The request for neutral judges in any fight isn’t unreasonable – but the actions of Kathy Duva, Main Events and Sergey Kovalev are open to criticism, based on their track record.

No lies from me. It's an Internet forum for boxing I have no reason to lie. If it makes you feel better though, sorry

This was necessary to get a worm like you to keep it simple and not pad out meaningless waffle

No issues with neutral judges people.

This thread is done

You made claims that you knew for certain were untrue, which is the dictionary definition of lying.

My words would only be deemed unnecessarily offensive if they were inaccurate, but they aren’t, since I'm simply reflecting what has occurred in reality.

I just state my support of neutral judgement

In between your repeat posts of nonsense there was an admission that you thought the same. Top tip, cut down on the drivel

Long story short. EO agrees neutral judging. No point reading all the nonsense. This answers the OP

Thread done

[boxing_rocks]

A meaningful thread is usually done as soon as EO takes an interest in it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Why do my threads always get ruined....

[verlichte]

Why do my threads always get ruined....

more fun to argue than talk about boxing?