WHO is the Most Pathetic Current World Champion?

[TheGingerBomber]

See EO is back!

Chickenson could be forgiven had he been younger, but he's showed no ambition to fight the top dog.

[Taansend]

Here's a list of some current world champions that continue to hold belts without facing a significant opponent or top contender in his weight class. These boxers obviously do not want to be tested and will do whatever they can to avoid facing anyone that could threaten the belts around their waist. Which is the most pathetic? Not talking about talent level, i'm talking about which guy is doing the most to avoid fighting anyone legitimate?

I bet you could beat all of them at the same time

[verlichte]

• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

You state Wilder's resume is similar in calibre to AJ apart from Klitschko. If you believe this is true, then you must believe Wilder is among the most "pathetic" champions considering AJ has 50% of the fights Wilder has had.

You shouldn’t assume a damn thing, since Joshua’ career has been progressed at a much faster rate than the vast majority of heavyweights on the entire planet! It’s utterly moronic to suggest otherwise!

Look, I get your point… I not only acknowledge your “excuse” for Joshua having faced a similar calibre of opposition to Wilder (prior to the Klitschko fight), but I also wholeheartedly agree with it. AJ almost certainly deserves to receive less criticism than Deontay, considering that he’s competed in far fewer bouts.

That being said, “excuses” and “reasons” only serve to justify the existence of “facts”, they don’t fulfil any other purpose.

Simply put: what I claimed previously about Deontay Wilder was technically accurate, regardless of any excuses, reasons or sarcastic remarks that other people may passionately cite.

[Loki]

Some points to consider:

• Gary Russell Jr. has faced Vasyl Lomachenko & Jhonny Gonzalez.
• Adonis Stevenson agreed to face Sergey Kovalev, but the Russian declined a guaranteed opportunity to take the bout. And the Canadian has stopped Tony Bellew and Chad Dawson.
• Billy Joe Saunders defeated Andy Lee & Chris Eubank Jr. Gennady Golovkin "lost his pen" when he declined an opportunity to fight the Brit. Saunders is facing Avtandil Khurtsidze in his next bout, which is an opponent rated eighth by ESPN and The Ring, which is a higher rating than the vast majority of title challengers that GGG has defended his belts against.
• Guillermo Rigondeaux is generally "ducked" because, not only is he deemed as a "boring" fighter, but he doesn't bring any money to the table. And despite this huge limitation, the Cuban has defeated the likes of Nonito Donaire & Rico Ramos.
• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Pretty awful post. GGG would fight anyone, anywhere. After he beats Canelo (and if fat boy Saunders is still champion), let's see who's pen is available.

Agree with Rigo statement. Wilder has fought absolutely nobody. He gets my vote. His best win is Stiverne.

You can't say it's a 'pretty awful post' and then agree with what he's saying. It makes you look very silly.

Apart from the Rigo comment, I don't agree with any of them.

Stevenson has only beaten Bellew, hardly fought out of Canada and did duck Kovalev. Hes 39 and his resume is pretty shite.

I agree with Rigo, he's ducked and IMO not a pathetic champion.

BJS. Completely inactive and I dont buy GGG ducking him. That's just horseshit. 2nd pathetic champion IMO. I half expect him to lose to that Georgian dwarf, as he looked carbage in his last fight and from what I've seen, him and Fury are just pissing around in Marbella.

Wilder - gets the nod. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some influence in the VADA test concerning Povetkin. He was hestitant to face him; I don't condone PEDS but Povetkin positive tests were marginal. The Reptile stepped up to fight and if Wilder really thought he was the best in the division, he should have faced him. That aside, Stiverne is his only good win. He's had almost 40 fights. AJ resume after the Klitschko win is now levels above and credit to both of them for making a HW fight meaningful.

Plenty more to say about the others but I have to work.

[verlichte]

Apart from the Rigo comment, I don't agree with any of them.

OK, let’s see what you’ve got…

Stevenson has only beaten Bellew, hardly fought out of Canada and did duck Kovalev. Hes 39 and his resume is pretty shite.

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man that was also considered The Ring champion.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson.

I cannot be held responsible about your lack of knowledge in this area. Other people on this forum will verify that the Russian withdrew from the WBC’s purse bid process, for a guaranteed shot at Stevenson!

BJS. Completely inactive and I dont buy GGG ducking him. That's just horseshit.

Apart from a period of inactivity during 2016, which was partially due to injury, there is no evidence… none whatsoever… to prove that Billy Joe Saunders has been inactive for all his other years of competing in the sport!

In regards to Gennady Golovkin, he was supposed to face Billy Joe Saunders, who had agreed to face GGG, on the 10th June, but the Kazakh refused to sign the contract, in preference for fighting Canelo in September (despite the fact that all the terms of the contract had already been agreed to by both parties prior to the Jacobs bout).

I cannot be held responsible about your lack of knowledge in this area. Other people on this forum will verify these facts!

Wilder - gets the nod. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some influence in the VADA test concerning Povetkin. He was hestitant to face him; I don't condone PEDS but Povetkin positive tests were marginal. The Reptile stepped up to fight and if Wilder really thought he was the best in the division, he should have faced him. That aside, Stiverne is his only good win. He's had almost 40 fights. AJ resume after the Klitschko win is now levels above and credit to both of them for making a HW fight meaningful.

The vast majority of this explanation is simply nonsense. Nothing that you have written undermines any of the facts that I have supplied about Deontay Wilder.

Plenty more to say about the others but I have to work.

This will be entertaining. Please try to undermine the other claims I made, since I find your posts highly-amusing!

You really need to do better kid! Don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about the sport when you really haven’t got a fúckíng clue! Seriously, I feel a tad embarrassed for you!

[Loki]

Apart from the Rigo comment, I don't agree with any of them.

OK, let’s see what you’ve got…

Stevenson has only beaten Bellew, hardly fought out of Canada and did duck Kovalev. Hes 39 and his resume is pretty shite.

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man that was also considered The Ring champion.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson.

I cannot be held responsible about your lack of knowledge in this area. Other people on this forum will verify that the Russian withdrew from the WBC’s purse bid process, for a guaranteed shot at Stevenson!

BJS. Completely inactive and I dont buy GGG ducking him. That's just horseshit.

Apart from a period of inactivity during 2016, which was partially due to injury, there is no evidence… none whatsoever… to prove that Billy Joe Saunders has been inactive for all his other years of competing in the sport!

In regards to Gennady Golovkin, he was supposed to face Billy Joe Saunders, who had agreed to face GGG, on the 10th June, but the Kazakh refused to sign the contract, in preference for fighting Canelo in September.

I cannot be held responsible about your lack of knowledge in this area. Other people on this forum will verify these facts!

Wilder - gets the nod. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some influence in the VADA test concerning Povetkin. He was hestitant to face him; I don't condone PEDS but Povetkin positive tests were marginal. The Reptile stepped up to fight and if Wilder really thought he was the best in the division, he should have faced him. That aside, Stiverne is his only good win. He's had almost 40 fights. AJ resume after the Klitschko win is now levels above and credit to both of them for making a HW fight meaningful.

The vast majority of this explanation is simply nonsense. Nothing that you have written undermines any of the facts that I have supplied about Deontay Wilder.

You really need to do better kid! Don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about the sport when you really haven’t got a fúckíng clue! Seriously, I feel a tad embarrassed for you!

Look stupid. I've been watching and studying boxing for along time. If Wilder wants to be a worthy champion, the aim is to face someone meaningful. Who the fornicate has he faced?

He could've pushed for a fight with AJ during the Klitschko / Fury debacle and he should've and could've faced Povetkin if he wanted to.

I'm not sure how you defend the WBC champion when he's fought one top 10 (arguably) in his 40 fight career.

FFS, he could've pushed for Parker fight after he won the WBO strap as well. As soon as Hughes pulled out, he should've made that fight.

I'm sure the WBC would've sanctioned the Povetkin fight IF Wilder wanted it.

[verlichte]

Look stupid. I've been watching and studying boxing for along time.

Watching fights every Saturday night doesn’t mean that you’ve actually been “following” the sport and all of the political shenanigans that goes on outside the ring.

If you did, your claims wouldn’t be so factually-incorrect.

If you really have been “studying boxing for along time”, why didn’t you attempt to address my responses to your comments about Adonis Stevenson and Billy Joe Saunders? Is it because you realise that I’m 100% correct?

If Wilder wants to be a worthy champion, the aim is to face someone meaningful. Who the eff has he faced?

My comments about Deontay Wilder are 100% factually-correct.

I didn’t try to defend the man, but I won’t allow someone to portray him as the very worst specimen of humanity, whilst conveniently forgetting facts that undermine their derogatory opinion.

I like people to be honest and realistic about their critique, rather than horrendously critical, whilst embellishing the situation to the point that it bears no relation whatsoever to reality!

To answer your question though, if we go by The Ring ratings, Deontay Wilder captured his WBC world heavyweight title from Bermane Stiverne, who was then considered as the third best heavyweight on the planet. At the time, nobody from this forum questioned this evaluation.

[Deontay] could've pushed for a fight with AJ during the Klitschko / Fury debacle and he should've and could've faced Povetkin if he wanted to.

Deontay Wilder has been injured, explaining a period of inactivity during 2016, and Eddie Hearn has stated that he wants to try to build-up the bout between the American and AJ to be another Wembley Stadium-filling “blockbuster”. The fact that Wilder hasn’t faced Joshua isn’t the American’s fault.

In regards to the other point you mentioned, it’s not unreasonable for a fighter, like Wilder, to decline an opportunity to face someone that was deemed as having used performance enhancing drugs, such as Alexander Povetkin. What you’re suggesting is much akin to demanding that a fighter agree to share the ring with someone wearing “loaded” gloves.

Simply put: Wilder had agreed to face Alexander Povetkin, he performed the training and bought his flight tickets to Russia… and he cannot possibly be blamed for the fact that his opponent technically failed a drug test!

I'm not sure how you defend the WBC champion when he's fought one top 10 (arguably) in his 40 fight career.

There's nothing "arguable" about Bermane Stiverne being a top-ten ranked fighter. In fact, he was rated third! FFS!

I’m not defending Deontay Wilder. I simply supplied a technically accurate description of his accomplishments.

FFS, he could've pushed for Parker fight after he won the WBO strap as well. As soon as Hughes pulled out, he should've made that fight.

Deontay Wilder is not the only world champion that has made no effort whatsoever to orchestrate a bout against an anonymous titleholder.

I'm sure the WBC would've sanctioned the Povetkin fight IF Wilder wanted it.

Please read the Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes and revise this claim.

You really need to do better kid! Don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about the sport when you really haven’t got a fúckíng clue!

[asdfjkl]

• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Hold on, Wilder knew beforehand that Povetkin had Meldonium in his body, which was perfectly allowed at the time and Povetkin turned out to be 100% innocent when it came to breaking any rules; as expected. Wilder denied any contract before he knew he could avoid the fight. In other words, Wilder never intended to fight. That's also why he was out of shape, never been in Russia and even celebrating holiday with his friends and family in England.

[caldo2025]

Went for Stevenson on the basis that he's held his belt the longest without challenging himself. Even if you give him a pass on Kovalev, I can't get my head around the Pascal fight not getting made. Aren't they both Haitian Canadians? At least there would have been some interest in that fight a couple of years back. Instead he fought guys like Bika, Karpency and Sukhotskiy.

I went with Adonis as well by a long shot. I'm so sick and tired of watching him jumping around the ring after knocking out some pathetic fighter that had no business getting a title shot. There's only so many taxi drivers looking to get knocked out in Canada. I just hope to anything that is holy that Fonfara can get his act together again and take him out once and for all.

[caldo2025]

Some points to consider:

• Gary Russell Jr. has faced Vasyl Lomachenko & Jhonny Gonzalez.
• Adonis Stevenson agreed to face Sergey Kovalev, but the Russian declined a guaranteed opportunity to take the bout. And the Canadian has stopped Tony Bellew and Chad Dawson.
• Billy Joe Saunders defeated Andy Lee & Chris Eubank Jr. Gennady Golovkin "lost his pen" when he declined an opportunity to fight the Brit. Saunders is facing Avtandil Khurtsidze in his next bout, which is an opponent rated eighth by ESPN and The Ring, which is a higher rating than the vast majority of title challengers that GGG has defended his belts against.
• Guillermo Rigondeaux is generally "ducked" because, not only is he deemed as a "boring" fighter, but he doesn't bring any money to the table. And despite this huge limitation, the Cuban has defeated the likes of Nonito Donaire & Rico Ramos.
• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Pretty awful post. GGG would fight anyone, anywhere. After he beats Canelo (and if fat boy Saunders is still champion), let's see who's pen is available.

Agree with Rigo statement. Wilder has fought absolutely nobody. He gets my vote. His best win is Stiverne.

OK, if it's such an "awful" post, which don't you dissect each and every single statement and attempt to undermine the factual accuracy of my comments?

I'll tell you now, you won't be able to do this.

Why do people reemerge on this site under different screen names to pretend they are not whom they are? You are obviously E1.

[verlichte]

• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Hold on, Wilder knew beforehand that Povetkin had Meldonium in his body, which was perfectly allowed at the time and Povetkin turned out to be 100% innocent when it came to breaking any rules; as expected. Wilder denied any contract before he knew he could avoid the fight. In other words, Wilder never intended to fight. That's also why he was out of shape, never been in Russia and even celebrating holiday with his friends and family in England.

Deontay Wilder had his WBC world heavyweight title fight against Alexander Povetkin cancelled after the Russian had tested positive for meldonium only a week prior to their fight.

The Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes (obtainable from the MMA Payout website) addresses the rest of the claims that you have made. It might take you quite some time to read them though, since they're quite lengthy documents.

I believe that when you’ve read this documentation, you’ll probably feel inclined to revise your opinion, but if you choose not to – then it’s pointless for us to continue this discussion.

That being said, if you do choose to read this legal documentation and you subsequently still believe the content to be incorrect, then I suggest that you send a letter to Andrey Ryabinsky, as your knowledge may be critical in assisting him to recover millions of dollars when he appeals the original decision of the court.

In regards to my post that you've quoted, every single sentence of what I've written is technically correct and cannot possibly be challenged by anyone. You may be able to provide "excuses" and "reasons", but this will only serve to justify the existence of the facts that I have supplied.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Stevenson

[asdfjkl]

• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Hold on, Wilder knew beforehand that Povetkin had Meldonium in his body, which was perfectly allowed at the time and Povetkin turned out to be 100% innocent when it came to breaking any rules; as expected. Wilder denied any contract before he knew he could avoid the fight. In other words, Wilder never intended to fight. That's also why he was out of shape, never been in Russia and even celebrating holiday with his friends and family in England.

Deontay Wilder had his WBC world heavyweight title fight against Alexander Povetkin cancelled after the Russian had tested positive for meldonium only a week prior to their fight.

The Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes (obtainable from the MMA Payout website) addresses the rest of the claims that you have made. It might take you quite some time to read them though, since they're quite lengthy documents.

I believe that when you’ve read this documentation, you’ll probably feel inclined to revise your opinion, but if you choose not to – then it’s pointless for us to continue this discussion.

That being said, if you do choose to read this legal documentation and you subsequently still believe the content to be incorrect, then I suggest that you send a letter to Andrey Ryabinsky, as your knowledge may be critical in assisting him to recover millions of dollars when he appeals the original decision of the court.

In regards to my post that you've quoted, every single sentence of what I've written is technically correct and cannot possibly be challenged by anyone. You may be able to provide "excuses" and "reasons", but this will only serve to justify the existence of the facts that I have supplied.

It's known all over the place that Povetkin is cleared:
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... ters-claim

If you still haven't realised, then you're really really far behind all knowledge.
Everyone involved knew that Povetkin was advised to use meldonium by a doctor and he perfectly followed the doctors advice.
All evidence out there proof Povetkin his story is true.

Here you can see WADA their statements about Meldonium:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... ice-en.pdf
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... notice.pdf

I know that the American law system is corrupt, any most judges are uncredebly dumb and stupit, there are many Americans in prison for false reasons, but that doesn't mean this innocent men called Povetkin did anything wrong.
There are more boxers who suffered by the American lawsystem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Bozella

[verlichte]

It's known all over the place that Povetkin is cleared:
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... ters-claim

If you still haven't realised, then you're really really far behind all knowledge.
Everyone involved knew that Povetkin was advised to use meldonium by a doctor and he perfectly followed the doctors advice.
All evidence out there proof Povetkin his story is true.

Here you can see WADA their statements about Meldonium:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... ice-en.pdf
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... notice.pdf

I know that the American law system is corrupt, any most judges are uncredebly dumb and stupit, there are many Americans in prison for false reasons, but that doesn't mean this innocent men called Povetkin did anything wrong.
There are more boxers who suffered by the American lawsystem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Bozella

You are making irrelevant and false claims about my so-called perceived "lack of knowledge" about Povetkin’s meldonium drug tests. Not only was I one of the first to report this story to the forum, but I also laboured over the fact that no one should jump to conclusions until the findings of the WBC & WADA's investigations had been completed.

Therefore, I refuse to read any of the articles that you have supplied.

I’m not going to engage in a discussion about “the American law system [being] corrupt, any most judges are uncredebly dumb and stupit”, since this forum is about discussing the sport of boxing.

Like I said before, if after reading through the easily-accessible Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit documentation, you feel that pertinent facts have either been omitted or are incorrect, then I suggest that you send a letter to Andrey Ryabinsky, as your knowledge may be critical in assisting him to recover millions of dollars via the appeal process.

I find it rather amusing that you have now chosen to refrain from challenging any of the facts that I have previously supplied, which you had criticised multiple times. Good for you kid!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Went for Stevenson on the basis that he's held his belt the longest without challenging himself. Even if you give him a pass on Kovalev, I can't get my head around the Pascal fight not getting made. Aren't they both Haitian Canadians? At least there would have been some interest in that fight a couple of years back. Instead he fought guys like Bika, Karpency and Sukhotskiy.

Stevenson has fought Bellew and Fonfara though at least. Top 10 guys. Wilder has fought ZERO Top 10 guys since winning the title.

In fact Wilder is currently in talks to fight Bellew...who is one of the best title defenses from a current Light Heavyweight Champion...we've seen situations in the past where a successful Light Heavyweight Champion moved up to fight for a Heavyweight title, but only in today's age with cowards like Wilder holding belts do we see the guy who lost the title fight 2 weight classes below move up and get a shot.

While Stevenson's resume dwarfs wilders you're talking about one of the few legit lineal titles. He took that belt from a guy, Dawson, who absolutely took on all comes. After the kovalev duck he's proceeded to use al to avoid all dangerous pbc fighters and a shared promoter to avoid Alvarez. Beyond pathetic.

[asdfjkl]

It's known all over the place that Povetkin is cleared:
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... ters-claim

If you still haven't realised, then you're really really far behind all knowledge.
Everyone involved knew that Povetkin was advised to use meldonium by a doctor and he perfectly followed the doctors advice.
All evidence out there proof Povetkin his story is true.

Here you can see WADA their statements about Meldonium:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... ice-en.pdf
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... notice.pdf

I know that the American law system is corrupt, any most judges are uncredebly dumb and stupit, there are many Americans in prison for false reasons, but that doesn't mean this innocent men called Povetkin did anything wrong.
There are more boxers who suffered by the American lawsystem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Bozella

You are making irrelevant and false claims about my so-called perceived "lack of knowledge" about Povetkin’s meldonium drug tests. Not only was I one of the first to report this story to the forum, but I also laboured over the fact that no one should jump to conclusions until the findings of the WBC & WADA's investigations had been completed.

Therefore, I refuse to read any of the articles that you have supplied.

I’m not going to engage in a discussion about “the American law system [being] corrupt, any most judges are uncredebly dumb and stupit”, since this forum is about discussing the sport of boxing.

Like I said before, if after reading through the easily-accessible Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit documentation, you feel that pertinent facts have either been omitted or are incorrect, then I suggest that you send a letter to Andrey Ryabinsky, as your knowledge may be critical in assisting him to recover millions of dollars via the appeal process.

I find it rather amusing that you have now chosen to refrain from challenging any of the facts that I have previously supplied, which you had criticised multiple times. Good for you kid!

I even showed and example of a boxer who has been in prison for over 25 years for something he never did and you still say "I refuse to read any of the articles that you have supplied", now what do you expect me to do? Walk away knowing I'm right, ignoring all the facts and ignoring Wilder and his team have been proven to be liers time over time over time again and again and again? Ryabinsky knows very well Povetkin is innocent, nobody needs to tell him that, Ryabinsky is not an idiot lol.

[verlichte]

I even showed and example of a boxer who has been in prison for over 25 years for something he never did and you still say "I refuse to read any of the articles that you have supplied", now what do you expect me to do? Walk away knowing I'm right, ignoring all the facts and ignoring Wilder and his team have been proven to be liers time over time over time again and again and again? Ryabinsky knows very well Povetkin is innocent, nobody needs to tell him that, Ryabinsky is not an idiot lol.

I expect you to stay on topic!

I originally supplied a factually-accurate summary of all of the fighters listed in the very first post in this thread that were deemed as being “PATHETIC”.

You aggressively challenged the accuracy of my statements, but instead of addressing them head-on, you now want to engage in a discussion about the American justice system, which is clearly out-of-scope of the subject matter of this thread… and nor does it relate to any comments that I have previously expressed.

I refuse to engage in an off-topic discussion.

If you cannot effectively challenge my original claims that you criticised previously, I expect you to apologise and then remain silent.

[Tanzio]

Argue for the next year but you will not find a more pathetic (and worshipped) champion than Tyson Watch Me Waddle Like (a coked up) Baby Huey Fury.

Cased closed, as the thread should be.

[asdfjkl]

I even showed and example of a boxer who has been in prison for over 25 years for something he never did and you still say "I refuse to read any of the articles that you have supplied", now what do you expect me to do? Walk away knowing I'm right, ignoring all the facts and ignoring Wilder and his team have been proven to be liers time over time over time again and again and again? Ryabinsky knows very well Povetkin is innocent, nobody needs to tell him that, Ryabinsky is not an idiot lol.

I expect you to stay on topic!

I originally supplied a factually-accurate summary of all of the fighters listed in the very first post in this thread that were deemed as being “PATHETIC”.

You aggressively challenged the accuracy of my statements, but instead of addressing them head-on, you now want to engage in a discussion about the American justice system, which is clearly out-of-scope of the subject matter of this thread… and nor does it relate to any comments that I have previously expressed.

I refuse to engage in an off-topic discussion.

If you cannot effectively challenge my original claims that you criticised previously, I expect you to apologise and then remain silent.

You wrote "The Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes (obtainable from the MMA Payout website) addresses the rest of the claims that you have made. It might take you quite some time to read them though, since they're quite lengthy documents.

I believe that when you’ve read this documentation, you’ll probably feel inclined to revise your opinion, but if you choose not to – then it’s pointless for us to continue this discussion."
In other words, you assume that the result of the lawsuit has to be true, which it obviously isn't, that's why I showed that the American lawsuits don't make any sense, the judges don't care about facts, reality, or about justice, they just helped the American and hurt the innocent Russian.
That's just the way it is and that's why I showed their word doesn't make sense. If you now say you don't want to talk about that discussion then that's oke, but then don't use anything they said to defend yourself. They are wrong as well and you know that very well.

[Millcitymauler]

Wilder. He beat the weakest of champions in Stiverne- who won a vacant title over another C fighter, and has since been defending against guys who don't even crack the top 50. And now it seems he will fight Stiverne again, who has only has one lackluster win 2 years ago over a mediocre opponent since losing to Wilder the first time.

[Crease]

Gennady Golovkin "lost his pen" when he declined an opportunity to fight the Brit.

I don't believe that GGG had ducked anyone as of yet.

[verlichte]

Gennady Golovkin "lost his pen" when he declined an opportunity to fight the Brit.

I don't believe that GGG had ducked anyone as of yet.

I never claimed that GGG "ducked" anyone, but the contractual terms of his bout against Billy Joe Saunders had already been agreed upon, with the Brit simply waiting for Gennady to sign the contract. However, the Kazakh declined the fight, due to his preference to wait for his super-fight against Canelo.

I only used the "lost his pen" sentence in my explanation, since Golovkin used precisely the same catchphrase to criticise Chris Eubank Jr. for failing to sign the contract to face him according to the specified deadlines (even though the financial terms had already been agreed upon). GGG did precisely the same thing for the Saunders fight, for different reasons, but the same catchphrase still applies.

Do your research and you'll appreciate that I am absolutely correct about this.

You wrote "The Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes (obtainable from the MMA Payout website) addresses the rest of the claims that you have made. It might take you quite some time to read them though, since they're quite lengthy documents.

I believe that when you’ve read this documentation, you’ll probably feel inclined to revise your opinion, but if you choose not to – then it’s pointless for us to continue this discussion."
In other words, you assume that the result of the lawsuit has to be true, which it obviously isn't, that's why I showed that the American lawsuits don't make any sense, the judges don't care about facts, reality, or about justice, they just helped the American and hurt the innocent Russian.
That's just the way it is and that's why I showed their word doesn't make sense. If you now say you don't want to talk about that discussion then that's oke, but then don't use anything they said to defend yourself. They are wrong as well and you know that very well.

Why won't you stick to the topic of the thread?

[Rob3_142]

Pretty awful post. GGG would fight anyone, anywhere. After he beats Canelo (and if fat boy Saunders is still champion), let's see who's pen is available.

Agree with Rigo statement. Wilder has fought absolutely nobody. He gets my vote. His best win is Stiverne.

You can't say it's a 'pretty awful post' and then agree with what he's saying. It makes you look very silly.

Apart from the Rigo comment, I don't agree with any of them.

Stevenson has only beaten Bellew, hardly fought out of Canada and did duck Kovalev. Hes 39 and his resume is pretty shite.

I agree with Rigo, he's ducked and IMO not a pathetic champion.

BJS. Completely inactive and I dont buy GGG ducking him. That's just horseshit. 2nd pathetic champion IMO. I half expect him to lose to that Georgian dwarf, as he looked carbage in his last fight and from what I've seen, him and Fury are just pissing around in Marbella.

Wilder - gets the nod. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some influence in the VADA test concerning Povetkin. He was hestitant to face him; I don't condone PEDS but Povetkin positive tests were marginal. The Reptile stepped up to fight and if Wilder really thought he was the best in the division, he should have faced him. That aside, Stiverne is his only good win. He's had almost 40 fights. AJ resume after the Klitschko win is now levels above and credit to both of them for making a HW fight meaningful.

Plenty more to say about the others but I have to work.

I think perhaps you want to say instead that 'I don't agree with the majority of this post' rather than 'this post is terrible, but I agree with some points', if you get what I mean.

[Rob3_142]

• Deontay Wilder had agreed to face his mandatory challenger, but Alexander Povetkin failed a drug test. Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko were inactive for 18 months and Eddie Hearn has never attempted to make a fight between 'The Bronze Bomber' and Anthony Joshua. Apart from the Klitschko victory, AJ's resume is similar in calibre to Wilder's.

If you do your research, every single sentence that I’ve written is factually correct. Therefore, where's the "none of them" option?

Hold on, Wilder knew beforehand that Povetkin had Meldonium in his body, which was perfectly allowed at the time and Povetkin turned out to be 100% innocent when it came to breaking any rules; as expected. Wilder denied any contract before he knew he could avoid the fight. In other words, Wilder never intended to fight. That's also why he was out of shape, never been in Russia and even celebrating holiday with his friends and family in England.

asdfjkl - how can you still be banging on about this? Despite having the whole scenario explained to you in great detail, you're still peddling the same nonsense. Povetkin tested positive for a Meldonium. They could not enforce a ban until the excretion trials were complete. VADA/WADA could still impose a ban on Povetkin.

[Loki]

Look stupid. I've been watching and studying boxing for along time.

Watching fights every Saturday night doesn’t mean that you’ve actually been “following” the sport and all of the political shenanigans that goes on outside the ring.

If you did, your claims wouldn’t be so factually-incorrect.

If you really have been “studying boxing for along time”, why didn’t you attempt to address my responses to your comments about Adonis Stevenson and Billy Joe Saunders? Is it because you realise that I’m 100% correct?

If Wilder wants to be a worthy champion, the aim is to face someone meaningful. Who the eff has he faced?

My comments about Deontay Wilder are 100% factually-correct.

I didn’t try to defend the man, but I won’t allow someone to portray him as the very worst specimen of humanity, whilst conveniently forgetting facts that undermine their derogatory opinion.

I like people to be honest and realistic about their critique, rather than horrendously critical, whilst embellishing the situation to the point that it bears no relation whatsoever to reality!

To answer your question though, if we go by The Ring ratings, Deontay Wilder captured his WBC world heavyweight title from Bermane Stiverne, who was then considered as the third best heavyweight on the planet. At the time, nobody from this forum questioned this evaluation.

[Deontay] could've pushed for a fight with AJ during the Klitschko / Fury debacle and he should've and could've faced Povetkin if he wanted to.

Deontay Wilder has been injured, explaining a period of inactivity during 2016, and Eddie Hearn has stated that he wants to try to build-up the bout between the American and AJ to be another Wembley Stadium-filling “blockbuster”. The fact that Wilder hasn’t faced Joshua isn’t the American’s fault.

In regards to the other point you mentioned, it’s not unreasonable for a fighter, like Wilder, to decline an opportunity to face someone that was deemed as having used performance enhancing drugs, such as Alexander Povetkin. What you’re suggesting is much akin to demanding that a fighter agree to share the ring with someone wearing “loaded” gloves.

Simply put: Wilder had agreed to face Alexander Povetkin, he performed the training and bought his flight tickets to Russia… and he cannot possibly be blamed for the fact that his opponent technically failed a drug test!

I'm not sure how you defend the WBC champion when he's fought one top 10 (arguably) in his 40 fight career.

There's nothing "arguable" about Bermane Stiverne being a top-ten ranked fighter. In fact, he was rated third! FFS!

I’m not defending Deontay Wilder. I simply supplied a technically accurate description of his accomplishments.

FFS, he could've pushed for Parker fight after he won the WBO strap as well. As soon as Hughes pulled out, he should've made that fight.

Deontay Wilder is not the only world champion that has made no effort whatsoever to orchestrate a bout against an anonymous titleholder.

I'm sure the WBC would've sanctioned the Povetkin fight IF Wilder wanted it.

Please read the Wilder-Povetkin lawsuit notes and revise this claim.

You really need to do better kid! Don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about the sport when you really haven’t got a fúckíng clue!

Troll and Idiot. I will comment on one thing, if you think most elite fighters are PED free, I'm posting on step below a naive fool. BTW, if you wish to sully the great language of English, at least post something in accordance with your idiom. Namely, factuous dullard, with a dormant organ under his dunces hat...