The usual crap this boxing business has become

[boxing_rocks]

Anybody who thinks that there is a "right way" to do p4p lists may need to be checked for OCD.

No, it's called knowing something about boxing. This forum is filled with casuals.

Ah, yet another "expert".

[Thomastearns]

Anybody who thinks that there is a "right way" to do p4p lists may need to be checked for OCD.

Perhaps Douglas Adams can help us with the answer:

LUNKWILL:
But, but, but - this is preposterous! Are you not a greater computer than The Milliard Gargantu-Brain at Maximegalon, which can count all the atoms in a star in a millisecond?

DEEP THOUGHT:
The Milliard Gargantu-Brain, a mere abacus. Mention it not.

FOOK:
And are you not a more fiendish disputant than The Great Hyperlobic Omnicognate Neutron-Wrangler? Which can destroy -

DEEP THOUGHT:
The Great Hyperlobic Omnicognate Neutron-Wrangler can talk all four legs off an Arcturan Mega-Donkey but only I can persuade it to go for a walk afterwards. Molest me not, with this, pocket calculator stuff!

LUNKWILL:
Then what’s the problem?

DEEP THOUGHT:
I speak of none, but the computer that is to come after me.

LUNKWILL:
Oh come on! I think this is getting needlessly messianic.

DEEP THOUGHT:
You know nothing of future time, and yet in my teaming circuitry I can navigate the infinite delta streams of future probability and see that there must one day come a computer worthy to calculate THE P4P LIST.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't think this forum really knows how to develop p4p lists well.

Anybody that puts much thought into it has a bigger issue managing their time.

Okay, log off this forum then because no one will take your posts seriously from now on. It takes you a long time to form a coherent thought. I was arguing with an absolute butt-for-brains.

I guess you've just given me permission to completely ignore any comment you make and chalk it up to you being an utter idiot that doesn't know anything about boxing.

By all means, ignore away.

[boxing_rocks]

By the way, there is a poll on the best American boxer on twitter now:

https://twitter.com/MonteroOnBoxing/sta ... 1840012288

I voted Crawford.

[Mexi-Box]

I can't believe all the Crawford votes. It's obviously Ward is the best American boxer at the moment.

[Tanzio]

I can't believe all the Crawford votes. It's obviously Ward is the best American boxer at the moment.

I agree with your opinion on SOGgy. That does not make our opinions more valid than those who voted for Hitmn Jr.

[Mexi-Box]

I can't believe all the Crawford votes. It's obviously Ward is the best American boxer at the moment.

I agree with your opinion on SOGgy. That does not make our opinions more valid than those who voted for Hitmn Jr.

What is wrong with you? Do I have a new stalker now? No, Ward is the best American boxer. He's ranked higher p4p on pretty much everyone's p4p list. It's consensus that Ward is the best American fighter at the moment.

[Kalan]

You're so full... Russell was unmarked... He put on a massive drama show and was never hurt, staggered, or dropped ... or even seriously rocked.

Plus he got rid of the clown early... What more can you ask for????????

Didn't get marked? Is that why they put that Game of Thrones mask on his ass for a face after the fight?

Ass for a face??? How hateful can you get?

They were taking down whatever minor swelling might be there before the interview. Russell won every round, scored all the knockdowns, and stopped Escandon in 7 in a fan friendly fight. You can't do a lot better than that against a guy who had never been stopped and had only 2 SD losses in 27 fights.. Russell is 28-1 and lost only to Lomachenko over 12. The other top Featherweights are avoiding him like the plague.

[Tanzio]

I can't believe all the Crawford votes. It's obviously Ward is the best American boxer at the moment.

I agree with your opinion on SOGgy. That does not make our opinions more valid than those who voted for Hitmn Jr.

What is wrong with you? Do I have a new stalker now? No, Ward is the best American boxer. He's ranked higher p4p on pretty much everyone's p4p list. It's consensus that Ward is the best American fighter at the moment.

You are obviously obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

[Mexi-Box]

I agree with your opinion on SOGgy. That does not make our opinions more valid than those who voted for Hitmn Jr.

What is wrong with you? Do I have a new stalker now? No, Ward is the best American boxer. He's ranked higher p4p on pretty much everyone's p4p list. It's consensus that Ward is the best American fighter at the moment.

You are obviously are obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

No need to back them up when it's clear, but I will right now. Just compare their best wins, and you can see.

Kovalev>>>>>>Postol
Froch>>>>>>>Diaz

Ward has p4p #2 Kovalev and possible p4p Froch on his resume. I think I remember Froch being lower top 10 p4p after he beat Bute, Groves, and Kessler.

[Tanzio]

You're so full... Russell was unmarked... He put on a massive drama show and was never hurt, staggered, or dropped ... or even seriously rocked.

Plus he got rid of the clown early... What more can you ask for????????

Didn't get marked? Is that why they put that Game of Thrones mask on his ass for a face after the fight?

Ass for a face??? How hateful can you get?

They were taking down whatever minor swelling might be there before the interview. Russell won every round, scored all the knockdowns, and stopped Escandon in 7 in a fan friendly fight. You can't do a lot better than that against a guy who had never been stopped and had only 2 SD losses in 27 fights.. Russell is 28-1 and lost only to Lomachenko over 12. The other top Featherweights are avoiding him like the plague.

You are correct about the "ass for a face" comment. I was in a foul mood last night.

TRex Jr was one of my favorites coming out of the amateurs. He has talked far more than he has accomplished. If the top feathers won't entertain a fight with him now then I will join your criticism. But the reasons that he has so underachieved are not limited to others ducking him. He has himself and his team to blame.

Escandon landed far too many shots. He is literally a borderline dwarf. No way should TRex Jr have taken that many blows from a guy that short with that arm length. If he did it on purpose it was a mistake.

Then he talks mad sh!t about what he is going to do, especially to Lomassiah. He had his shot at as green a Lomassiah as he will ever get. But Gary talks about how he is going to ktfo the Ukrainian who completely dominated him in every way in his third fight. TRex Jr needs to get busy. Busy like he should have been in his early career. He wasted far too much time, partly because he was being very carefully protected.

Take the best fights you can find and get busy, before it is too late.

[Tanzio]

What is wrong with you? Do I have a new stalker now? No, Ward is the best American boxer. He's ranked higher p4p on pretty much everyone's p4p list. It's consensus that Ward is the best American fighter at the moment.

You are obviously are obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

No need to back them up when it's clear, but I will right now. Just compare their best wins, and you can see.

Kovalev>>>>>>Postol
Froch>>>>>>>Diaz

Ward has p4p #2 Kovalev and possible p4p Froch on his resume. I think I remember Froch being lower top 10 p4p after he beat Bute, Groves, and Kessler.

Now we are getting somewhere.

SOGgy also has Kessler, Bika, Abraham, and Dawson on his list. He has taken the 0 from Rodriguez and Barrera.

Hitman Jr has impressive wins on his resume but he has not faced a true skilled KO machine like SOGgy has repeatedly and he will in June.

Let the debate begin.

[Mexi-Box]

You are obviously are obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

No need to back them up when it's clear, but I will right now. Just compare their best wins, and you can see.

Kovalev>>>>>>Postol
Froch>>>>>>>Diaz

Ward has p4p #2 Kovalev and possible p4p Froch on his resume. I think I remember Froch being lower top 10 p4p after he beat Bute, Groves, and Kessler.

Now we are getting somewhere.

SOGgy also has Kessler, Bika, Abraham, and Dawson on his list. He has taken the 0 from Rodriguez and Barrera.

Hitman Jr has impressive wins on his resume but he has not faced a true skilled KO machine like SOGgy has repeatedly and he will in June.

Let the debate begin.

So you agree then.

[Sequitorian]

There are always negative and unusual anomalies in any business, sport or other human invention ...

... and there are always those poor unfortunates who are too stupid to see past them ...

... celebrate boxing at every opportunity ...

... it's the most advanced and civilized form of human expression ...

... (period) ...

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[Kalan]

Didn't get marked? Is that why they put that Game of Thrones mask on his ass for a face after the fight?

Ass for a face??? How hateful can you get?

They were taking down whatever minor swelling might be there before the interview. Russell won every round, scored all the knockdowns, and stopped Escandon in 7 in a fan friendly fight. You can't do a lot better than that against a guy who had never been stopped and had only 2 SD losses in 27 fights.. Russell is 28-1 and lost only to Lomachenko over 12. The other top Featherweights are avoiding him like the plague.

You are correct about the "ass for a face" comment. I was in a foul mood last night.

TRex Jr was one of my favorites coming out of the amateurs. He has talked far more than he has accomplished. If the top feathers won't entertain a fight with him now then I will join your criticism. But the reasons that he has so underachieved are not limited to others ducking him. He has himself and his team to blame.

Escandon landed far too many shots. He is literally a borderline dwarf. No way should TRex Jr have taken that many blows from a guy that short with that arm length. If he did it on purpose it was a mistake.

Then he talks mad sh!t about what he is going to do, especially to Lomassiah. He had his shot at as green a Lomassiah as he will ever get. But Gary talks about how he is going to ktfo the Ukrainian who completely dominated him in every way in his third fight. TRex Jr needs to get busy. Busy like he should have been in his early career. He wasted far too much time, partly because he was being very carefully protected.

Take the best fights you can find and get busy, before it is too late.

First, Escandon DIDN'T land too many shots... Russell absorbed all of them easily and scored brutally.. Do you want to see a fight or a sparring match???

Russell would be chasing a breeze in a windstorm if he dreams of beating Lomachenko... It generally takes an amateur boxer 20 fights to adapt his amateur skills to the professional ranks because the sports are so different.. Vasyl did it in 2 fights.. But obviously Russell is the top Featherweight in the world and the other top Featherweights have been ducking him for years.. The only thing that will happen if Santa Cruz, Mares, Selby, Mares, and Cuellar face Gary Russell is -- they'll get badly beaten up before getting brutally knocked out.

[boxing_rocks]

What is wrong with you? Do I have a new stalker now? No, Ward is the best American boxer. He's ranked higher p4p on pretty much everyone's p4p list. It's consensus that Ward is the best American fighter at the moment.

You are obviously are obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

No need to back them up when it's clear, but I will right now. Just compare their best wins, and you can see.

Kovalev>>>>>>Postol
Froch>>>>>>>Diaz

Ward has p4p #2 Kovalev and possible p4p Froch on his resume. I think I remember Froch being lower top 10 p4p after he beat Bute, Groves, and Kessler.

Primitive comparing resumes is a dummies' way of creating p4p lists. I am not even talking about a little nuance of Ward not really beating Kovalev.
Pacquiao defeated a bunch of great opponents, while Spence defeated close to nobody. Does it mean that Pac is currently better than Spence? HELL NO !

[Tanzio]

Ass for a face??? How hateful can you get?

They were taking down whatever minor swelling might be there before the interview. Russell won every round, scored all the knockdowns, and stopped Escandon in 7 in a fan friendly fight. You can't do a lot better than that against a guy who had never been stopped and had only 2 SD losses in 27 fights.. Russell is 28-1 and lost only to Lomachenko over 12. The other top Featherweights are avoiding him like the plague.

You are correct about the "ass for a face" comment. I was in a foul mood last night.

TRex Jr was one of my favorites coming out of the amateurs. He has talked far more than he has accomplished. If the top feathers won't entertain a fight with him now then I will join your criticism. But the reasons that he has so underachieved are not limited to others ducking him. He has himself and his team to blame.

Escandon landed far too many shots. He is literally a borderline dwarf. No way should TRex Jr have taken that many blows from a guy that short with that arm length. If he did it on purpose it was a mistake.

Then he talks mad sh!t about what he is going to do, especially to Lomassiah. He had his shot at as green a Lomassiah as he will ever get. But Gary talks about how he is going to ktfo the Ukrainian who completely dominated him in every way in his third fight. TRex Jr needs to get busy. Busy like he should have been in his early career. He wasted far too much time, partly because he was being very carefully protected.

Take the best fights you can find and get busy, before it is too late.

First, Escandon DIDN'T land too many shots... Russell absorbed all of them easily and scored brutally.. Do you want to see a fight or a sparring match???

Russell would be chasing a breeze in a windstorm if he dreams of beating Lomachenko... It generally takes an amateur boxer 20 fights to adapt his amateur skills to the professional ranks because the sports are so different.. Vasyl did it in 2 fights.. But obviously Russell is the top Featherweight in the world and the other top Featherweights have been ducking him for years.. The only thing that will happen if Santa Cruz, Mares, Selby, Mares, and Cuellar face Gary Russell is -- they'll get badly beaten up before getting brutally knocked out.

I don't deal in conjecture. I hope we get to see some of these fights. TRex Jr's career has been conspicuous in its mediocrity.

He got hit too much. You do not allow yourself to get punched for entertainment value. There are plenty of fighters that will be more than happy to fight TRex Jr. like Valdez, Cuellar, Warrington and Diaz, Quigg, etc. There are plenty of good fights at feather. Fighting less than twice a year won't get it done.

[Kalan]

Bullshiitt... The top guys are NOT willing to fight Russell because they'd get knocked out... If they're so willing, line them up.

I'm talking about the other champs... Santa Cruz, Selby, Mares, and top contenders like Frampton if he's ready to go and Quigg. Screw 'em. They won't fight

And he didn't get punched for entertainment value.. He wasn't knocked down, hurt, or staggered, and he was murdering this kid who had NEVER been stopped.

[Mexi-Box]

You are obviously are obsessed with consensus. Majority rule is not the law where I live. You are an example of why I have spent my life keeping it that way.

The consensus on a subject can be and has often been misguided. That is why we are ruled by law.

Your opinion is that SOGgy is the best current American boxer. Why don't you provide your evidence of him being superior to Hitman Jr, beyond just saying so and citing consensus.

You are very adept at making claims but (up to now) miserable at backing them up.

No need to back them up when it's clear, but I will right now. Just compare their best wins, and you can see.

Kovalev>>>>>>Postol
Froch>>>>>>>Diaz

Ward has p4p #2 Kovalev and possible p4p Froch on his resume. I think I remember Froch being lower top 10 p4p after he beat Bute, Groves, and Kessler.

Primitive comparing resumes is a dummies' way of creating p4p lists. I am not even talking about a little nuance of Ward not really beating Kovalev.
Pacquiao defeated a bunch of great opponents, while Spence defeated close to nobody. Does it mean that Pac is currently better than Spence? HELL NO !

It's not primitive, and Spence has done anything at all to suggest he's better than Pacquiao . You're just an overexcited fanboy that wants his way. Sorry, this is the only way to create p4p lists. You might as well put in any newly pro Olympic gold medalist as p4p #1 if you can't use resumes.

[boxing_rocks]

As I said, people who think that there is a "right way" to create p4p lists should have their mental health checked.

[Ezzard]

What I took from the comments after the Crawford fight was that he will have another similar bout in the second half of the year...then they will feed Pac to him in 2018. No doubt he will get a standard, keep-busy opponent after that (as is usually the way)... So Crawford might get close to a 50-50 contest in 2019. I'm already bored of this guy's career.

[Tanzio]

Bullshiitt... The top guys are NOT willing to fight Russell because they'd get knocked out... If they're so willing, line them up.

I'm talking about the other champs... Santa Cruz, Selby, Mares, and top contenders like Frampton if he's ready to go and Quigg. Screw 'em. They won't fight

And he didn't get punched for entertainment value.. He wasn't knocked down, hurt, or staggered, and he was murdering this kid who had NEVER been stopped.

What evidence do you have of that? The only "top level" guy that TRex Jr has faced, handled him easily. That "top level" guy was fighting his third fight. TRex Jr had fought nobody of note in a five year plus career prior to Lomassiah. Since then he has continued to fight no hopers and euro level boxers.

Stop with your everybody fears TRex Jr fantasy. Mares fears no one. LSC has had a series of top level fights. Frampton has moved up. Quigg fears no one.

If you have a problem with the situation take it up with Team TRex Jr. They made their own nest.

[Tanzio]

What I took from the comments after the Crawford fight was that he will have another similar bout in the second half of the year...then they will feed Pac to him in 2018. No doubt he will get a standard, keep-busy opponent after that (as is usually the way)... So Crawford might get close to a 50-50 contest in 2019. I'm already bored of this guy's career.

Hitman Jr is willing to fight anyone. Arum, as usual, is the problem. That said, Postol was the biggest fight to be made at 140 last summer. Felix Diaz arguably should have gotten the W from Lamont Peterson.

The Indongo deserves his shot, no matter how "keep-busy" a fight you might consider it, and it would unify 140. After that we might see Hitman Jr start his welterweight run against Vargas, Peterson, or possibly Tim Ramming Speed Bradley.

It is frustrating when a boxer on Hitman Jr's level comes along. You want every fight to be huge but they can't be. It is beginning to become suspicious how he has been matched with boxers lacking top level pop.

[Ezzard]

He's a super skilled operator. But I'm more interested in close fights in which I don't know the outcome.

If he gets matched with Porter, Thurman, Brook, Spence over the next 2-3 years then great. Vargas and Peterson will be similar victims. Love Bradley but I think we've seen his best.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

As I said, people who think that there is a "right way" to create p4p lists should have their mental health checked.

No doubt, this guy is a special kind of clown. If ward/froch is a factor cotto & Shane are too 5 & PAC is the clear #1. Crawford & Spence would both beat Manny's ass.