That idiot pound for pound schtick always pisses me off since it is nothing but a list of somebody's favorite boxers with no objective criteria. It started off as a space filler in the useless Ring magazine which was mostly space filler in and of itself. Now it's supposed to be some big important rating system. The hell it is. It's just something for fools to argue over, like what you see here. Andre Ward #1 ha ha ha!
x2x wrote:That idiot pound for pound schtick always pisses me off since it is nothing but a list of somebody's favorite boxers with no objective criteria. It started off as a space filler in the useless Ring magazine which was mostly space filler in and of itself. Now it's supposed to be some big important rating system. The hell it is. It's just something for fools to argue over, like what you see here. Andre Ward #1 ha ha ha!
It hurts, doesn't it?
Of course p4p lists are subjective, Einstone. You must stumble through life in a perpetually pissed off mood.
I have him #1 for now, I feel like a clear winner in the GGG vs Canelo fight could unseat him for #1 and then you got guys like Loma and Crawford who are right in the mix too, but Ward has the best resume in the game right now definitely.
If his last 2 wins were more definitive he'd definitely be #1 and have a clear hold on that position, but as they are he's #1 but it wouldn't take a lot more from the guys just below him to knock him off that perch IMO.
Wouldn't take much to get bumped Rigo off the list altogether given his recent performances and the fact that he's basically been riding his win over Donaire for P4P status for years.
Upcoming fights with P4P ramifications to me include
Mikey Garcia vs Adrien Broner (Garcia cracks the Top 10 with a decisive victory here)
Basically all 3 fights on the Sept. 9 Triple Header on HBO of 115 pounders
and of course GGG vs Canelo
Whoever comes out on top in those World Super Series Tournaments might make a big statement regarding that stuff too as they'll have to beat 3 formidable opponents in a row to win.
Inoue has come nowhere near anything Ward has done. I personally don't get why everybody is so high on him. I mean yes he's talented, but I don't see putting him on P4P lists based on anything he's done up to this point.
Inoue has come nowhere near anything Ward has done. I personally don't get why everybody is so high on him. I mean yes he's talented, but I don't see putting him on P4P lists based on anything he's done up to this point.
What exactly has Ward done? Never fought outside of the U.S. Defeated Kessler using illegal tactics, got a gift for the first Kova fight, and won the second fight using low blows. If you ignore those 3 "wins", what is left ?
Also, p4p lists are not solely based on resumes. My eye test says that Inoue is better than Ward and Kovalev.
Inoue has come nowhere near anything Ward has done. I personally don't get why everybody is so high on him. I mean yes he's talented, but I don't see putting him on P4P lists based on anything he's done up to this point.
What exactly has Ward done? Never fought outside of the U.S. Defeated Kessler using illegal tactics, got a gift for the first Kova fight, and won the second fight using low blows. If you ignore those 3 "wins", what is left ?
Also, p4p lists are not solely based on resumes. My eye test says that Inoue is better than Ward and Kovalev.
I've watched Inoue fight too, and my eye doesn't tell me anything like that.
Ward has wins over Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, Sakio Bika, and Kovalev 2x. Other than the 2 Kovalev fights he's always won decisively, and without controversy over an extremely solid field of competition. I'm not a fan of Ward, but give the man his due. You don't accomplish what he has by accident.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You're wasting your time, dude has Floyd level irrational Ward-love. He's easily top 5 right now and a top 3 alltime SuperMiddle.
I'd consider him the #1 Super Middleweight of all time personally. Nobody else did more at the weight than him. Though you could make an argument with Calzaghe.
It would probably be an injustice not having Ward #1 right now. Even though he had a long stretch of inactivity, he did win the Super Six tourney and he just beat a consensus top 5 p4p fighter at a new weight twice.That's more than anyone else has done.
As far as best technical boxer, I'd have to say Loma holds that title. However, while everyone's p4p criteria seems to differ, I think it's only fair to rate based on accomplishment, as that is that most tangible type of system we have as far as rating. And Ward has accomplished quite a bit while still being, technically, undefeated.
Impractical Poster wrote:It would probably be an injustice not having Ward #1 right now. Even though he had a long stretch of inactivity, he did win the Super Six tourney and he just beat a consensus top 5 p4p fighter at a new weight twice.That's more than anyone else has done.
As far as best technical boxer, I'd have to say Loma holds that title. However, while everyone's p4p criteria seems to differ, I think it's only fair to rate based on accomplishment, as that is that most tangible type of system we have as far as rating. And Ward has accomplished quite a bit while still being, technically, undefeated.
It's a mixture of accomplishment and eye catching talent for me, but accomplishment carries the most weight for me. Even if your style is not the prettiest looking if you can consistently beat Elite level guys then you're an Elite fighter.
gilgamesh wrote:
Inoue has come nowhere near anything Ward has done. I personally don't get why everybody is so high on him. I mean yes he's talented, but I don't see putting him on P4P lists based on anything he's done up to this point.
What exactly has Ward done? Never fought outside of the U.S. Defeated Kessler using illegal tactics, got a gift for the first Kova fight, and won the second fight using low blows. If you ignore those 3 "wins", what is left ?
Also, p4p lists are not solely based on resumes. My eye test says that Inoue is better than Ward and Kovalev.
I've watched Inoue fight too, and my eye doesn't tell me anything like that.
Ward has wins over Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, Sakio Bika, and Kovalev 2x. Other than the 2 Kovalev fights he's always won decisively, and without controversy over an extremely solid field of competition. I'm not a fan of Ward, but give the man his due. You don't accomplish what he has by accident.
other than 2 kovalev fights hes always won decisively and without controversy....
P4p is subjective and I don't really care for as the top heavy beats all. But I have a passing interest. Can someone tell me how r Gonzalez is top 3. Had a great record. Beat many bums , I get that as needs to eat and big money ain't in that division. But he just fukin lost. Top 3 what. If was a super fight or at a heavier weight against another p4p but really cmon. And I do really like watching him and like him but he should be out top 10 now imo. And if memory serves correctly as I may be wrong but in like 3 out of last 5/6 he wasn't as impressive as I was expecting
boxing_rocks wrote:
What exactly has Ward done? Never fought outside of the U.S. Defeated Kessler using illegal tactics, got a gift for the first Kova fight, and won the second fight using low blows. If you ignore those 3 "wins", what is left ?
Also, p4p lists are not solely based on resumes. My eye test says that Inoue is better than Ward and Kovalev.
I've watched Inoue fight too, and my eye doesn't tell me anything like that.
Ward has wins over Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, Sakio Bika, and Kovalev 2x. Other than the 2 Kovalev fights he's always won decisively, and without controversy over an extremely solid field of competition. I'm not a fan of Ward, but give the man his due. You don't accomplish what he has by accident.
other than 2 kovalev fights hes always won decisively and without controversy....
dont do drugs... drugs are bad.
like wtf dude. seriously good one.
Ok...so what controversy other than the Kovalev fights is there? I don't buy the Kessler headbutts bullsh*t, he was aggressive, some accidental butts happened...that's the way it goes sometimes.
It hurts, doesn't it?
